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Hello, good afternoon, evening to all of you. Can you all see and hear me?
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Well, okay.
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Excellent good as usual. I put far too much into this, because I want to tell you so much, because it is all so amazing a topic.
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I could talk for hours and hours, and hours. and probably shouldn't Let me start you off with a little quote from a tell of 2 cities, Charles Dickens, where the the young lad Jerry asks his dad. she's a resurrection
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man and his father is and doesn't really want to answer that question.
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He says. Oh, he's a trademark a branch of scientific goods, person's bodies ain't it?
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Father says little jerry believe it's something of that sort Oh, father, I should so like to be a resurrection man when I grow up so, which is just beautiful now by that point when he's writing resurrection men
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are fairly thin on the ground. this is something that can be joked about.
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But if you've gone back 20 years ago it was a far more serious topic, the period we're looking at is pretty much during the murder act, which runs 1,752 to 1,832 and before that there
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are very, very few corpses of available just basically 6 a year for the whole country.
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But very few people are doing any dissection, not have people doing surgical training to need it.
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After that they changed the law, so that other kinds of bodies are more reasonably available.
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But for that bit in between there is a growing problem is there are a certain number of corpses available, but nowhere near enough.
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Now this is after the 1752 murder act, which says that every murderer and a few other people like Julists, and those who kill with knives and some highway robbers, have to be either gibbeted or
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dissected, but actually most of them are dissected.
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80%. Still, not huge numbers of in the whole of the northeast of England.
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Over that eighty-year period it's only 9 people. So you know, if you're relying on somebody committing a murder to get a body, it could be if there's a problem for you and the demand for trained surgeons is going up
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and up. get the training. You can go to University, Edinburgh, for instance, or Cambridge, or you can apprentice to another surgeon, which means you need some apprenticeships, some hospital. experience.
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But you need to get that experience in bodies and you're not allowed to do anything with live patients until you've got your qualifications.
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I don't know howdy any other options in 1,993.
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There are 200 medical students in London 30 years later. there are over a 1,000, and they're all going to want to train on bodies.
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Now there's a big debate as to where these bodies should come from
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Should, should it be that anyone who kills themselves should be allowed?
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Should it be that the surgeons should volunteer their own bodies when they die?
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Should you just sort of snatch one from from a proper graves, and nobody will ever notice or know a thing that definitely happened.
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It's pretty clear that a lot of people decide the easiest method is to do it yourself.
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So this is the kind of a sort of parody version of the kind of place that these bodies would be ending up, because in the nineteenth century you stop having all the dissections ha happening in this kind of surroundings with a lot of
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people watching one expert to do it, and you get more towards this kind of thing where students would expect to be able to be actively involved, actively cutting up themselves.
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And that's probably a bit more chaotic than it really was, but not necessarily by that much.
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And if you consume a far enough in on these things here, you just about my account levels as a female there, for instance, that this is a price list for bodies, because bodies are becoming this commodity and the fair has always been there of taking
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bodies. Shakespeare's epitaph curses anyone who disturbs his bones.
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That's just because he's famous I think he thought that somebody might do the Dick Turpin's bones are found and dug up and an atomized and that's 1,739 again because he's
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famous, but it's growing fair and a perfectly reasonable one
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Switching in and out between between the pictures and initially, these rich young lads who are getting all of that training, who they have to be fairly rich, to be paying for the full qualification Initially, a lot of them are doing it themselves
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It's sort of expected. Bring your own corpse or what are you going to practice on and they're doing it themselves.
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Well you know they're rich they don't really like grave Robin.
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They're there is instantly a commodity and therefore, in many people who will be quite happy to fill that, and gradually, over, time it becomes less something that the students do and more something that gangs do on their behalf
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and those people i'll soon known as resurrectionists or resurrection men, because they are bringing bodies back up.
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It's not simple so in March 24 6 for instance, there's a newspaper report, the remains of more than 20 bodies were discovered in a shed in Tottenham Court, road supposed to have been deposited there
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by traders to the surgeons of whom there is one. it is said in the borough, who makes an open profession of dealing in bodies, and is well known by the name of the resurrectionist and that's one of
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the first mentions of that name coming up and over the next 20 years, that shift is completed to being a professional matter in 1,790.
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5. There's a gang of 15 men who are exposed to be serving 8 surgeons of public repute, and of a man who calls himself an articulator, and they're giving him bodies from lots of graveyards
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Now the articulator might be a gentleman who turns in the press quite a lot, as in this era, actually selling skeletons quite openly in the newspapers Business cards will sell you skeletons and nobody ever seems to try and track
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down where He's Got these skeletons from it's a bit weird and this's a lot of it happening both in London and in Edinburgh and in places along the route between the 2
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predominantly, sometimes further out but that's that's The main area of traffic in 1,828.
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The Select Committee tried to work out just how much of this is going on, and they say that in a year they are aware of 592 bodies have been dissected, and they know that less than a tenth of those are
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from legal sources, and that must be the tip of the iceberg.
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You know of those 592, 312 were from the same gang.
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But there were other gangs, low and anatomy.
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Schools alone had 2 rival gangs and approximately a 100 to 200 part timers the the person who's done the biggest survey on this thinks that it might have been several 1,000 a year so it's worth
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doing is the thing, because if you are a body snatcher the great robber, you can earn a £1,000 a year.
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That's 5 to 10 times what the wage of an unskilled labourer would be might be a 100 50.
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So, you know, and that with having all your summers off. as well, there's no point trying to do it in summer, because everybody Yeah, everybody wants to, quickly. So you're not going to get anywhere. And so you get 3 or 4 months of the year off.
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And earn 10 times the standard wage it's gonna be tempting. and it's all the more tempting because it's not really that illegal weirdly.
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This is because a corpse is not technically property and you can't steal something that isn't democracy who's a corpse belong to
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So there are specific laws, but nothing that big You could get into a lot more trouble if you robbed grave goods if you robbed valuable clothing because clothing has an owner and a value, a great corpse
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does not. So usually, if a resurrectionist is caught in the late eighteenth century, that they're going to get a whipping
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But unless it's really blatant the authorities top we don't have that much trouble with you, so your method.
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Yes, i'm going to go back now to my pictures for a moment, because what I've got here is a dark lantern.
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These are examples of dark lanterns, which are the kind that you use, which also give very directed light, that you can very easily close off, and they are
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Certainly dark lantons is a very period whether they were used for this or not.
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So what you would do we'll take you maybe an hour to dig somebody up.
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You big down at the head end, and you you have a special wooden shovel, because a wooden shovel will rejoice. there will reduce the amount of noise that it makes when it goes into the earth but will still be hard enough to do
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the job. So you you dig right down at the head end.
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Then you crowbar up the lid a little bit to snap the top section off it the top foot or so.
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Then you put a rope around either the neck or actually under the arms, and then you pull them out through that top bit, and then you fill it.
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The dirt back into space. We have good descriptions of this
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Joe. I don't think we can hear you
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Okay, better that's it thank you very much with this type of microphone that it does every now and then just randomly stop, and you just have to say, Oh, you come back on again. worry about that it's It's always done it just every few
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hours we'll do it. Okay, Well, you're back online I should disappear again.
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So what was the last thing you heard that's the important thing i'm not sure
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Okay, so we know that we go down to the head end and pull the body up by the head.
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Yes, yes, it's just the last sort of 30 s basically Okay, that's good.
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So yeah, you let down a rope with a grapple Corgan says, from his experience of doing it, that you call on the grapple till the coffin cracks.
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Put the broke around, body it up, carry it across the churchyard, and go to where, he says some 4 or 6 are gathered together, awaiting the arrival of the car to convey them straight to a dissecting
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theater. What added the ghastly character of the moonlit scene was that the bodies were stripped stark naked for the possession of a shroud subjects us to prosecution that's what i'm saying
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that you know it's it's not about the body it's about the shroud, which is really counterintuitive.
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But that's that's how it is so there are surprisingly few pictures of people actually doing it from the era.
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But this is one dissectionists at work with a nice ghost in there.
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Just a further scare everybody, and then, of course, they put everything neatly back into place.
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It seems very much a mark of a professional not to make it obvious what just happened, and they don't necessarily they don't really see themselves as bad as the bad guys.
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They're just you know doing what has to be done because they have to train.
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Someone has to get the bodies up. If you get to that stage and find that the body is actually not as fresh as you hoped, then what you would probably do is take some of the teeth, particularly the kines, and then you would sell them to
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the dentists, so that at least you got something out of the process, because at this point they're still putting whole teeth straight into other people's mouths.
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No, of course, sometimes that you are gone even for that and you wouldn't do it.
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If the person had clearly died a small box for instance we know so much about them.
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Because of a marvelous thing which is this: This is a page on the diary of Joseph Naples is gang.
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The Borough gang were active in London in the 18 tens Ben Crouch was their leader.
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He's a bully and a prize fighter then they're the heart, and Harnet brothers a former porter from the dissecting rooms and a church sexton, which is obviously helps and we can
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see in this both The scale of what they're doing and where they're taking the different bodies, and also how much money they're getting for them.
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I'm not sure if you can make out any of the thing there, so i'll show you there's a little bit of it to transcribed.
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I'll give you a moment just to read
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When he's talking about large and small there that's obviously adults and children.
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And there is also the mention of a features and to a certain extent.
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They Wouldn't know what they were digging up but not entirely you can see they're being taken to lots of different places to guys and Thomas's and also to individuals.
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And some are being sent up to towards Edinburgh.
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And it is very lucrative, as I say, he made a good part of money.
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Doing this
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He mentions over the course of the text, the various schools, and also 5 private anatomy schools.
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The children's bodies. It would appear are done are paid for by length, whereas the adults are a base for guinea.
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So. Yes, we can work out all sorts of things by looking at this at this dire.
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It's a bit gruesome. there, you go according to Joshua Burke Brooks, who was one of the people that he was giving these bodies to.
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He complained that the costs had gone up, and the gangs were taking advantage of their need for more bodies, and he was winging.
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But when he started in the business he could get a body for as little as 2 guineas.
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And now it had gone up to at least 4, sometimes more.
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Which yeah, seems a little ungrateful. But there you go.
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That's Joshua brooks there it's one of the people that was taking these others would go to theatres of anatomy.
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Where would you be done in a very formal way like have on this side?
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That's the Cambridge theatre of anatomy Miss Brooks.
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There had a private medical school, and with all of the bodies that he had coming in, he was also able to build up anatomical museum.
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One visitor to this museum said it was so crowned with skeletons and other specimens that it was hardly possible to move without knocking down something with one's tail coat, which my my house, is much the same but
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it isn't all comprised of body parts in Jars which I suspect Joshua Brooks's was on the work of the gangs. one a group in Edinburgh who have no gang name that we
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know of, but their own personal names are just brilliant.
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We know that this gang is involved a chap called Mary Andrew.
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So whose real name is Andrew merrillese and he's. he's the cart driver, and he said of him that he would be happy to sell his sister's own corpse.
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If only she would die. The spoon! New specialism, of course, is scooping the bodies out from the coffin like a spoon.
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And moldy warp, which is an old name for a mole because he's the one who's faster sit than digging
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Add, praying, Howard. It would join morning parties in order to try to get information.
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About who's being buried where and when what state they're in, and another called Screw, and that was it made up a gang
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Obviously it's easier if you are working with a grave digger if you can get them on sides.
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Then, that's a very helpful thing, but and in the early days some grave diggers just do it themselves, you know.
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Just you know where the bodies are. They can dig him up that night.
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No one else is going to be in the graveyard and it doesn't look suspicious in 1777, one grave digger and his deputy are convicted.
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Let me get 6 months imprisonment and a whipping be a lot worse.
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So yeah, they that that was if they said that it was inflict. The weapon was inflicted with a severity due to so detestable an offense.
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So they're whipped hard. But nonetheless that's the worst that it gets.
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So and of course you want to have a relationship with a doctor when you're doing this.
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Ashley Cooper was a dissection issue to keep in touch with the doctors of everyone he'd operated on, so that he would know who was going to be an interesting case to get his own men to go and dig
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up after they die. Oh, I did an operation on him i'd love to see how it went bring me back his body.
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Very strange man. askly Cooper allegedly.
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He would. if he wanted to give a friend a present, he would get a piece of bone, paint the person's name on it, feed it to a dog, and then later dissect the dog, get the bone and have a beautifully.
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etched name on the piece of bone so etched in dog, stomach, acid, and give them as a present to people.
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That's the kind of gentleman we're talking about here?
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Did I warn you at the start this was going to be very, very odd.
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I don't think I did, but that hopefully the title gave it away.
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So yes, you would hand this body on to either the surgeon or their assistant.
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Some kind of minor deniability that they're also known as the sack 'em up men, because they would carry them around in sacks and sometimes pack them in sawdust, and tie them up and sometimes
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disfigure the face to make it less obvious that people will work out.
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He's like Oh, brooks you just saw once refused to pay the body snatches the amount that they were asking.
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So they placed some part, dissected rotting corpses at either end of the street that his premises was gone.
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Yeah, members of the public in the dark, stumbled upon these rotting corpses and assumed that Brooks was to blame for it.
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Okay, I'm, not fully paying attention to what's in the thing. but I notice you've yes, you've noticed, my little friend Ball. but there is he's sadly not real you're not allowed to just keep real ones getting
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around like that, but but he has got. He has got one of the little labels from the skeletons for sale.
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People. where do you put the remains? afterwards? Well, if you still got an intact skeleton? you can send them to the skeleton iser, and he'll send them on Sometimes they just end up lying around
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the Gentleman's magazine Reports a group of people who found at the dung hill of Saint George's fields the bodies of a woman and 8 children cut up the handiwork presumable of some young
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anatomist who deserves a rigorous punishment for this carelessness, and indiscretion, Gentlemen's magazine doesn't mind that he did it in mind that he's
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carelessly, had indiscreetly got rid of the bodies where anyone can find them Who?
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This little
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This little pile of goodies was found under the house of Benjamin Franklin, and date from the time when he was training as a surgeon.
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When this was discovered, absolutely outraged, a large number of Americans who didn't want to think that their Benjamin Franklin could possibly be involved in anything like that.
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But given the time in place, he was at he almost certainly was and there is a very good chance that those were people that he dissected, and they just put them under the house just an hour, and put them under the house you've
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got a you see what that's floor why not some people do get hungry, you know.
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If they think it's happened near them they can there are riots.
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Occasionally the biggest one is in Aberdeen in January the eighteenth, 32 so soon before the act.
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There's a dog digging outside the grounds of a new anatomy.
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School finds fragments of bones, and people break in looking for bodies, and they find them, and the police try to break it up, but they make it worse.
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They try to say, Oh, just take those bodies away and the people don't want the bodies taken away.
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The people grab these half-dissected bodies and carry them around town, stirring up anger about this new anatomy school, and a crowd of what's described as 15,000 to 20,000 people then turn
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up at the anatomy school and burn it down So the anger was there.
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3 men get tried for this. They accept the lesser crime of rioting.
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But there's no charge of arson possible because no one could prove who the ringleaders were in all of us.
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So 3 rioters out of 15 or 20,000
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If you're carrying short distances just stick him in a basket, or you know, put them in a cloth whistle while you're doing it. it's common enough that mistakes are made.
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There's one anatomist who found his that in his Crete was a very fine ham, a large cheese, a basket of eggs, and a huge ball of yarn, and what had been expected was a corpse which
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is all well and good until you consider that some other gentleman, who was probably expecting a ham, some cheese, and some eggs in his basket, must have opened it up to find a corpse.
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Yeah. No good. You You could be too nonchalant.
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Alexander Lyons is arrested for walking up the back steps of Sheffield, musical with a corpse over his shoulder.
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Just casually like Oh, no, this is just my friend he's drunk So everything because that kind of thing could happen.
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Mistakes could happen in 1,823 there's a London man.
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He's walking along similarly with a bundle over his shoulder, and an arm is seen to fall out from it, and the the crowd kind of hustle him into the nearest watchhouse before anybody seems to notice or he has to tell them that
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he's a tailor and he's carrying a tailor's dummy with him?
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What should you do you think would be a list of, perhaps?
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So you tried to make these packages look inconspicuous, You, you know you put things in barrels and tea chests and rope handle with care on it.
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You claimed it was something like pickled herring, something that would smell bad, and therefore had a lot of sawdust in.
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Sometimes you try and squash them into a smaller space as you can.
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The cut. possibly the body in there, so why would anyone check
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Or you just carry it with you You know there's a 1 one body of a 12 year old.
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2 Blakes just carry it with them on the on the roof of a coach that's going that way.
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It can be risky eventually. People do sometimes notice these packages There's one in Newcastle where it misses one post, and then there isn't one on Sunday and by the next day this 6 foot long once a wide
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package is not in a good way, and is leaking a bit, and they start so they open it and find exactly what you would expect.
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They would find So yeah, I think things like that do happen.
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Most notorious case of a transportation problem happens in Liverpool, where there are 3 casks marked bitter salts, which are awaiting being sent to Edinburgh, and that their holes in it
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plugged with hay, and the the workers become a little suspicious.
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So they they call in their supervisor, and someone pulls out a bit of this, and of course the most horrible smell comes out, and he opens it, and each barrel contained 3 or 4 bodies.
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And they were just sitting there waiting to be shipped, and the trail of this, which was very easy to follow.
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They just went to the carto, who delivered them and said, Where did you pick them up from?
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Sold it back to a gentleman who had been renting out the seller of a boy school and claiming that it was being used for packing fish oil. at Yeah, this this guy were sending fish oil up to
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Edinburgh honest. So you're gonna want to protect yourself from all of this, and there's a range of different ways that people try to do that.
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Some people just keep the bodies with them until they're they're all magnitude oral.
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Then no one's gonna want them not fool-proof People can still try and nick them out.
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Your window that happens sometimes. you might lock them in a building like this one.
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This is the only green morthouse where each body gets put down, and then it gets rotated around a bit as a rope.
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That platform rotates right around by the time it's got back around to the start again.
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The chances are it's been there long enough to be of no interest to anyone at all.
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And then you vary it. Oh, which is kind of unpleasant plague.
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You might set up a watch tower, and there quite a few of these scattered.
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There are more in Scotland, Edinburgh seems to have drawn a lot of this thing in the Scotland. There's a lot more precautions, certainly, that survive.
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But of course there are lots more that don't you could have walls.
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You can have watchmen. when Balas tails is opened in Newcastle.
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They said that they built it deliberately. We wanted a place so defended by walls or other methods of security, and it should be next impossible for the robbers of the grave to accomplish their inhuman
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purposes so deliberately. high walls are being built at this date, and also deliberately.
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These watch houses with patrol men. you might also, or to get yourself a fancy coffin.
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So this is the bridgeman iron coffee, which is wrought iron.
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He has no hinges, no moving parts. As soon as the lid is put down there, eclipse which engage in it is impossible to reopen without an awful lot of force, and you will cover it with potentially cover it
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with silver foil, which will avoid it rusting. It will last a very long time.
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This is very unpopular with clergy, because they are reusing the graveyard ground all the time.
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They need the bodies to be able to decompose and this kind wouldn't, or very quickly in 1,819.
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Mrs. Gilbert of Hoban is put in one of these, and the vicar refuses to accept it.
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For that reason. in the end it is left on top of the tombstone.
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There is a broad over it, with one lot of people trying to bury it.
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And the vicar, saying, no no no we can't put that in here, and it remains on top of the tombstone for 3 months, while the vicar raises legal challenges about Why, you shouldn't have to
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bury a bridgeman iron coffin, which was rather defeat the object of getting it in the ground and safe out the way, though nobody actually wanted Mrs. Gilbert.
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Anyway. But there you go
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Rather cheaper than your full coffin is your janker you're coffin guard like go on on the right there.
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That hopefully will serve the same purpose for a lot less iron, or something like the coffin collar that you see on the left, which, of course, given the method of dying around the head and pulling out is going to make that very hard without smashing
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the coffin a lot further. You might also have another one round your feet.
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They're mostly ins Scotland but they did find one in St.
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James's in London just a couple of years ago and obviously there might be loads more that we just don't know about, because we haven't dig up the graves because generally we don't mort safe like this one again
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mostly in Scotland, but there are a few few other sounds invented in 1,816.
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We think some of them are reusable there's some iron frames that you padlock together.
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You only need to put the cost in it it for a couple of months, and then you can move the more safe to another spot where someone else needs. the protection.
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Others are permanent, and are set into the concrete.
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And yeah, that's that's another way that There are also parish more safe cages, which you can pay an annual subscription for the right to be one of the better bodies that is inside it at any one
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time. and you join the more safe society you can just do the whole thing in brick, and that or if you're feeling really paranoid, why not invest in a coffin gun or cemetery gun now?
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Some of this is myth. But there clearly were some people who tried this kind of thing.
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There are reports in the papers of setting up percussion capers of gunpowder traps that would go in the coffin with you.
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It wouldn't last very long before it got too damp. but then, by then you bodies of no interest anywhere.
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There are some of these symmetry guns that survive, but there's very little evidence about when and where they were used.
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It seems they were attached to a trip wire, so if you stumbled over it in the middle of the night, it would then shoot you the the section of some martin in the fields.
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Went one step further, so that he had built the ultimate cemetery gun, in which he kind of jury rigged several gun barrels together, and on New Year's eve 1,817 the was heard and
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the Times reports this, a tremendous report heard across the graveyard, and all of these bullets come out at once from this sort of home, rigged gizmo, and When people.
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Arrived at the scene they found a body snatchers hat with one. a bullet hole in it, not 2, which rather implies the bullet was still lodged in the head of the the body's nature, and He was then carried
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a lot off by his gang and also found there were the shovels, spades, picks, and other resurrection paraphernalia.
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So it did do its job at least that once. and this was yes, or more spun a version of what you can see there.
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We know that sometimes there's at least one case where man traps are used.
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Similar reasons, people just walking around with guns in 1,830 in glass, and Evan there is a full gun battle between guards and sack them up men over some bodies.
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If you're poor Of course you can't have any of that, you might just settle for putting stones on top and shells on top of the grave, which would allow people to at least see whether someone has been been
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robbed and the other thing you could do was try and add layers of stones and straw into the infill which would make you would hope to make it more trouble than it was worse.
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Or if you're desperate add some quick line, because then the bodies are no use to anyone.
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No. Then finally, it goes. We come to the the alternative method You can't protect your body if it hasn't had time to die and be buried in the first place because someone's just murdered you for
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it there. Of course we come to the notorious cases and we come to the lovely book, and he so that's contemporary pictures of them taken from around the time the trial burks try Washington.
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So the chocolate right is jot, is Robert Knox, of Edinburgh, and in 1,828.
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These 2 young men appear at his door with a body that they said that it's been put up for sale by his relatives.
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So it doesn't happen on foot, but you know it does occasionally happen, and he chose to believe them, which is to say, to not ask any questions, although this was where he gave them £7 and 10 shillings, which is you
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know more than I in fact, this gentleman had just died in Hair's boarding house, and he owed her money.
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So hair. The wealth he owes me money the only thing he's got is himself.
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It would be perfectly reasonable to sell him to get some of that money back.
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That was the logic, initially, apparently, and when they found out that they could get that much money out of doing it.
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Well, they're going to start making their own corpses instead aren't they?
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So over the next 10 months, 16 times they turn up at Knox's door with a fresh corpse generally carried in a tea chest, and what they did was they looked at the boarding house, and they thought you know who is most unlikely to
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be missed, and then take those people get them very drunk and smother them.
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They're aren't any direct pictures I don't Think of them which the problem to them doing that. But this is a satirical print of the same era which uses the same method which obviously was well, known at
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the time to be able to do it in that way that we, one of them, sort of sits on them, and the other one puts a hand over their face.
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And yeah, they get £10 per per body for most of them, sometimes a bit less, depending on condition.
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The wife of the one and partner of the other also help
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Now Knox claimed that he didn't recognize or know any of these people, but I think there is not that larger city, and the shifting body was that of a lad known as poor daft Jamie.
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As you see on the right there, and Knox must have known who he was, because he did something he didn't normally do, which was cut the face off before giving him to the students cause he is a well-known beggar and
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the student still recognized him. They also looked at each other and thought, Okay, we can't really deny the fact that we also recognized a couple of those prostitutes met those before notably Mary Patterson. at the bottom There he
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didn't get them to dissect Mary patterson he just embarked her, and then put her out for people to draw pictures of It's all a little bit creepy, and almost worse than just dissecting her because in
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that picture she looks fast asleep. doesn't she she's she's long dead.
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She's she's just been stuck in spirits in the meantime.
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There's a skipping rhyme from the era up the close and down the stair in the house with broken hair books, the books your hairs, the thief knocks the boy who buys the beef so on
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the back of this They're they're clearly getting too ambitious to obvious in what they're doing.
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A lot of people knew poor death, Jamie, and this is the result.
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Patterns, things, evidence here, jobs in book and says it was all books idea.
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And he was allowed he got immunity and we don't know where he went.
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He, just? there are rumors from several places around the country.
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Oh, he ended up in in Sundland or he ended up in this other place, but nobody's come up with good evidence.
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He's not going to keep his original knight and is he
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So how would you ever know Burke? Meanwhile, his hand in front of about 25,000 people, who were all shouting,
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Book hair. they because they want hair to be dead as well.
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And at this point, but is a word meaning smother and kill.
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So we say, Okay, you're gonna book book but can you bookcare as well.
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Yeah. it's you can see you know people packed into the windows, and so on, and apparently that's That's a very good representation of that particular bit of Edinburgh which makes you think that the rest
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is probably quite accurate as well
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On the back of this that is his skeleton.
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The person who has provided so many for the dissectionists of course, is absolutely legally in exactly the correct place to be sent for dissection, because he's a murderer, and that's what they do with
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murderers, and his skin is tanned and turned into this little book.
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It's it's rumored that charles Dickens had another piece that he used as a bookmark. There was a hard and debate at the time as to whether knocks should also be punished he wasn't and
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the public mood generally thought he should have been they they said.
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You know some of these corpses were fresh there was still blood oozing out of them.
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This clearly. hadn't been taken from the ground in any way he should have known they paraded an effigy of him around town.
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And then and it and tore it to pieces this is a multiplicant to the real thing.
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So they're going to do it to the effigy instead
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Even after that that is not enough for government to legislate.
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They actually try There's a bit of a movement that may be paupers should go straight to dissection, but it fails at the House of Lords because the House of Lords say even the poor have a right to a decent
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funeral, and another couple of years were all over. and then, of course, if it happens in London, then Parliament is going to take notice.
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Edinburgh is a long way away they didn't mind that much happens in London and big care.
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So this is John. Bishop Thomas Williams and James May, who killed at least 2 people for sale to anatomists, and the witnesses said they they carried their victims on a cart in a wooden box with one of
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their wives walking next to it, holding a bound box to make it appear that they were an ordinary family.
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Just the moving house they are discovered when more persons does decide there are limits to what he's willing to put up with.
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He's probably read all about Knox so this is a surgery called Richard Partridge, who Bishop Bit brings this body to him.
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The body is later called nicknamed the Italian boy.
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Nobody's quite sure what movie is and he he looks at this body and says, you know that's that's never been in the ground.
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It's got a club on his forehead he says he says, oh, well,
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You guys just wait outside because I need to go in and get change for a fifty-pound note.
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So if you just wait, then i'll be with you as soon as I can rustle up the change, and of course he goes in, tells his superior, who immediately nips out round the back and gets the police, and they are captured
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in front of the house with this body, and that leads to these trial documents.
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And it is thought that this is this this poor Italian boy. There's a big scandal going on at the time about there being a lot of young Italian beggars on the streets.
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Who are kind of fading like gangs and They don't have a lot of same what goes on.
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They're all under the control of their padrones this trial. the young Charles Dickens was a cub reporter on it at the trial he gets into every story at this era.
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If you possibly can. So yes, this lab would sit with some white mice in a cage and try and beg money.
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2 of the 3 you hanged in in 1,831 apparently the hanging.
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Somebody shouts, You should have been hanged years ago! which kind of some of the public knew what was going on.
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It had been happening for a long time, and the third was transported to Australia, but died on the way.
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One of them, the John John Bishop, was described as one of the best specimens at the Royal College of Surgeon had ever dissected.
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He was a good fit, fit person. Following that, they try again in Parliament and a new act.
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The Anatomy Act is written in 1,832, which is a little bit more subtle.
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It's still basically saying we'll we'll have the bodies of all kinds, please, but it's it's written in slightly subtler terms.
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It says things like Well, there are safeguards if you don't want it to happen.
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You can write it down that You don't want it to happen because, of course, the people were talking about world completely literate, and that's going to work very well.
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But, one of the main reasons this was passed was because they thought it would get rid of the need for anyone having to deal with the resurrectionists. and especially the need for people like Bishop may and Williams although there.
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are a few resurrectionists in business until the 1,800 fortys in this country.
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It it nose dives after that curiously the American golden age of grave digging is actually another generation or 2 further along, and he's all tied up with race as well, because it's about taking bodies from
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the negro graveyards, but that's a whole other story.
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So whiz through that in order to finish with a few minutes to spare for questions.
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So I hope you have some goodness. Thank you very much for that, Joe.
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That was a little bit macabre wasn't that everybody but absolutely I have to say, and I particularly enjoyed hearing a bit more about Burke and Hare in Edinburgh. I should add about The exhibition you can
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do. Yes, if anyone is in the Edinburgh area, there is this exhibition on the National Museum, Scotland, which is on till the end of October. I haven't been yet but It looks like It's going to be
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really good, and it has at it that skeleton and little pocketbook that you've just seen along with lots of other things about the history of anatomy and things people haven't haven't gone away with over the
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years while I remember. Right we've got quite a few questions, Joe. I'm just gonna launch straight and no let's where should we start?
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No, I think we'll start at the top actually because it sounds like the best place to start
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Sorry about this folks right from Miranda, and you talked about kind of near the start start about, you know, bodies being unusable after a period of time.
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How fresh did they have to be it's a tipping point!
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I see where it depends on the temperature. like I say this is why you don't do it in summer.
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If the ground is frozen, then then you might have you know a couple of weeks. if it's a very hot sunny day, you might have a couple of days window where possible they would actually go within I think people said that after 3 days
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it was a lot less likely, and after a week, unless it was frozen, you were probably safe.
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Alright. Okay, interesting. that answer your question Miranda similarly, we'll just might lead in as well James saying in a tail to cities snatchers worked at night and presumably that's when the old did it
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Yes, yes, if you look at Naples's diary he often describes, you know, we met in the pub in the evening, and then went out to do our work.
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You do wonder what that these people's families thought They were up to sometimes.
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Oh, yes, I have. I have a night shift job, darling, just not in the summer.
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Hmm! So some of them, some of them, sneakily got jobs as watchmen over corpses, because being a watchman is not a job.
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Many people want so you can say Oh, yes, i'll guard your corpse for you.
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No problem. Pay pay me to stand over it for the first 3 days, and then, of course, when nobody's watching you, just i'll steal it.
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Yeah. okay. I hope that answers your question, Gene question from Karen and Andrew about this idea of bodies.
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But being transported quite long distances London to Edinburgh.
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I over the cent. and how did they actually keep them fresh, or or they didn't didn't they Well, you you either pack them in something absorbent like straw or you put them in a barrel of oil of some
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description, or you can even go down in the Nelson where you can put them in a barrel of spirits.
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But that's quite expensive. So you're only going to do that if you've got a body that's worth quite a lot.
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But yeah, more commonly, you just packed and with straw and with
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Yeah. and and it's the best absorbent and percentage things you can think of put them in a box and put them on a royal mail coach.
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So, which are known to be quite fast, and you know it will be maybe 2 days up, 3 days up to Edinburgh, and that is within your window of possibility again.
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Not all of the cases of ones that are found in Newcastle because there's there's a pub in Newcastle That's a kind of stopping off point for the royal male coaches on the way and
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It binds, I think, at the news for over a fairly small period of time, and all of them in winter.
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Right. And now i've got a question from Stewart you had to list near the start of the lecture, which was basically the kind of shopping lists that they had in this one particular night.
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And all the bodies that they got there was a name mentioned.
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A woman, Miss Kay I don't think we do I it's it's one that I have pondered myself.
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I'm gonna go back and look at the most yeah pay Hollis.
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$11 are the order of Miss K. usual Doesn't say yes, I I don't think anything is known about her.
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Women are really generally not involved in this kind of thing, except, as I say, within gangs, as distractions, and the people who talk to the widow terribly, sympathetically, and so on.
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But that rather implies that there's a woman involved in the surgical practice.
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Now, at this date it is not illegal for a woman to be a surgeon.
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It's just getting increasingly difficult for them to get qualifications. But if you, if you'll say that the daughter of a surgeon, he has been brought up amongst surgeoning you could call yourself legally a
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surgeon and do the job, and no one can stop him.
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Until 1854. You can legally call yourself a doctor or a surgeon, with no particular qualifications at all.
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It's all right. them but in the case Miss kay i'm afraid I don't know. right Okay, and a question of the room.
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Diana, where the skeletons being sold kind of almost as a byproduct.
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Of the dissected bodies against what once they've done that move.
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Yeah, I mean sometimes the process of dissection is going to damage your skeleton too much.
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If you know, depending weak beats of it, you wanting to look at on that particular occasion.
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But if the particular dissection you're doing ends up without doing any damage to the bones, then yes, absolutely.
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You would then give that over to some
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So this is a replica of a trade card.
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Somebody who is selling these skeletons. and actually says you know, of both both sexes and good color accurately articulated, and must have been coming from somewhere.
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So. yeah, there must be some kind of deal going on because the skeleton isn't of much used to the surgeon once they've done a few.
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You know, learn how to cut an arm off, or whatever there are some that have been found around.
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What's the work house houses where the bodies are not all where they should be, and some of the bodies have sort of several experimental cut marks in them.
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Like somebody's learning how to saw through bone but you don't need that niece .
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Interesting. Okay. Question from Sue could put her.
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People sailed their body to the resurrectionists before they died.
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Yes, they very rarely do because it is considered, would be considered for most people to be very shameful.
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Having a decent funeral is very, very important to almost everybody.
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Even very poorest people spend money they don't have putting it into it into a savings fund in order to get a decent funeral, which is part of the way.
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Respectability works. But it does happen there is a satirical poem from this era, or about a chapel that sold his body to, because he knows he's dying.
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He sold his body to 10 different dissectionists. 10 different surgeons, and they're all fighting over him because they realize what he dies.
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They realize that they can't all have him and they end up getting him in bits and taking bits. each. There is
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There's a chat in newcastle who We know sold his body, and he is a deformed man.
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He's a hunched back and he says because he spent his life making surgical implements.
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He had made his living from them, and if they could you know he.
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He then sells himself. What he does is say, Okay, you dissect me, and then enough money comes back to my family to give the bits that are left a decent funeral.
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One way of doing it mutually beneficial but it's not common, because there is this belief.
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It's not orthodox catholic church dogma by this point. but there is still a strong belief amongst the poor that on the day last Judgment, when you raise up you need all your bits to be there or i'll
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still be problem right? Okay? No. Another question just to me. What about the belief that on the final day judgment corpses would be released from their grades?
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If your body had been dissected, or stolen you could not be judged. And thus your chances are going to happen.
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We're? No, Yeah, that's i'm talking about that.
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This is why I said one of the reasons on top of demand why dissection? and Gibbon are so set up in the 1,700 fiftys as a punishment because it's worse than just being
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murdered. And what can you do to someone? to make the more phrase than they would be of just being executed?
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You execute them, and you mess with their body and that's worse a part of that to do with other things.
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But a big aspect of that is because people might well believe even though the Church says this isn't true anymore. you might well believe that it means that your your body won't be brought up properly.
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There's a a satirical cartoon of from the time of a bunch of people getting up in a pauper graveyard after the last, where, after the last trumpet sounds all kind of saying Well, this isn't my ankle has anyone
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got my hand because they've been put together. in the wrong graves, and all kind of mixed up
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Therefore, on the day of last judgment they can't find all their pieces, all. and there are people who genuinely believe that that would be an issue.
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Right question from Andrew. i've got quite a lot questions here.
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Presumably and hopefully not covered this already, but presumably the term Burke, meaning to kill a dish, was adopted after bax antics were revealed.
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It wasn't just a goodly coincidence nominative determinant.
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No, no, it comes afterwards. it's a rare example of a person's name being turned into an into a verb.
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Hmm! A lot of words named after people, but the vast majority of them are nouns.
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Book is is what he did so it's a Verb: Yeah.
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Well, there you go, Andrew. Okay. no A question from another Andrew.
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Is the time the graveyard shift connected to grave Robin.
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Don't but believe so I can't tell you off the top of my head.
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But I don't I don't think so i've never seen it kind of written in the same in the same place.
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I think it's just doing shifts that are quiet as the grave doc, is the grave.
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A question for man, and so obviously resurrection the resurrection men, would I blood.
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So how? How did the surgeons learn to dissect?
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After that, what happens? What happened next? Okay, I mean after that it isn't that dissectioned that the rosary projectionists are outlawed as that they become unnecessary because with the anatomy act there are easier
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ways of getting hold of bodies. The Anatomy Act says that any any person that dies and is unclaimed it within 48 h becomes the property of the surgeons.
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Now this mostly applies to people in workhouses you don't have any relatives.
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No, he turns up to say, we will take this person away and bury them.
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But it could just apply to people from clown dead on the street.
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If nobody claims you within 48 h then you belong to the resurrectionists and that there are right. It's about that. There are, you know, a lot of poor people who don't like that especially since it coincides with the first
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cholera outbreak. So a lot of people are not in a position to go collecting bodies.
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So there are riots across the country and sort of fuss when Oh, but you've only waited 40 h, and that was our grandma, and you've taken them illegally, and things like that but in general it make
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means that there are sufficient corpses to go round to, unless the anatomists want something very specific.
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So that person has an interesting medical complaint. I want to dissect them.
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Then there's not really any money in it anymore right Okay, So got a few questions here.
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So Okay, we've done that one and Yes, and You're talking about the surgeons hall. Museum and Edinburgh.
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I can highly recommend it. Yes, the the book can. The skeleton of Buck are usually housed there.
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I actually went there last year, and had a good look at own, not for the squeamish.
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I have to say that some is well worth a look if you're interested.
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Right? Okay. But some questions from Jennifer.
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Did some bodies have a premium price, and was there a demand at all for children and babies?
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There isn't particular interest in children, and babies again unless they have some other particularly interesting quality.
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Bear in mind that this is an era where you know the number of people that die below the 80.
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5, anyway, is quite staggering so it's easier to get over the body of a four-year-old.
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As it happens, there are premiums on unusual specimens.
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The body of was his name, Charles Burn, the the Irish giant, who is 7 foot tall or so.
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His his family and friends go to great lengths to try and keep him away from the dissectionists, because they know that he is worth a lot of money.
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They attempt to take him out and dump him at sea to avoid it.
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And Unfortunately, the people along the way braver sexton and he doesn't that doesn't happen and again his body was on display.
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His dissected and his skeleton L on display.
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Until really quite recently. So something like that there is enough money available. Yeah, that was willing.
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And John Hunton. I managed to not mention throughout the whole of this, despite them being some spiders in the middle of the whole web of anatomy.
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At this era, wanted his skeleton for their collection, and wanted to dissect him so.
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Yes, anything really unusual like that and those extra money team.
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Yeah, okay, we've got bits here. for more questions. So I think we'll try and get through them all and Joe. if that's okay and okay with everybody else. after that.
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Then we're just yeah again and then then we're done.
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Okay, So from Elizabeth she recently took her old medical student skeleton to the Oxford Andatom School.
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Apparently it came from India. we're apparently dead bodies we're fished out of the ganges.
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Does this still happen. I don't know if that's something that you would know.
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I think generally they don't use real ones anymore in lenses like that.
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They you can make very good fakes these days. so I think there isn't really the need for it.
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Hmm. Okay. from Sylvia. What did the doctors do?
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The corpses after they had been studied and dissected.
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Well, suppose we saw that pale of bones under the house didn't I bury them sometimes?
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Yeah, if there's enough bits, then you can sell a bits to someone, put them in your little glass jars for your museum.
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If you found some particularly nice bits and bury what's left where you hope no one will find it.
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Okay. Now, this is actually a an interesting question. actually, in a quite an important one.
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Actually, and from Sue. what was the risk of disease for the robbers?
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Hi. Well, I think this is one of the reasons why you taught why you are part of the funeral procession, and you you listen to the the grieving relatives, and you find out whether or not that person seems to have died of an
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infectious disease. You don't go digging them up if you think they do a smallpox which is going to reduce the risk.
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Someone graves were so overflowing in urban areas at this point, anyway, that just just walking through them, we were quite likely to catch something, so to that extent it would just be an occupational risk this is still an area where
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the are pulling teeth and putting them straight into other humans, and the teeth can cause disease.
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If you end up with a as a civilis can survive inside a tooth, and then get put into another person's mouth.
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But yeah, you would tend to try and take the bodies of people who are died from things that would contagious if you had the choice.
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Yeah, okay, right? One more question, and then and then We'll we'll start to wrap things up everybody and from David's.
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Why would they call the resurrectionists, when the body is still dead? That's a good point, isn't it.
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It's just one of those things the body is still dead but it is being raised up.
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They bring them up back up into the living world, I suppose, even though they are still dead.
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And yeah there's never any thought that there's any life left in them.
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It's just now. Do you know what else would you call them just one of those slang things that happens Okay, Well, I think that's us for tonight.