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Alright, thank you very much, Fiona. Okay, so, yes, I will have seen a few of you before in the previous lectures and possibly some of the classes as well.

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But today what we're looking at is the history of vaccination. Okay and so I will start by sharing my slides.

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Much more interesting than looking at me. So.

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And there was me, I'd set it to start and I've gone and it's not. Here we go.

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Right, there we go. Oh. Well, we just start that first page with the introduction and he was just saying about vaccinations.

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Okay, and it's just in introducing it. So what I'm just going to say is before I start all of the information.

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Found that I have I'm going to display to you in the, in, the slides and with me talking.

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All of that information has come from a few sources. Now there is an associated document of further reading and resource and sources of the facts, available from Fiona if you want it.

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But in in a nutshell, the definitions, the facts have all come from a few places.

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So we've had the World Health Organization. Time Magazine, Harvard University. Our world data and the UN.

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Okay. And also, our government website as well, the British government websites. So that's where all the information has come from and if you want to check back you will be able to find it in one of those sources.

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Okay, so we just thought we'd start with that. This one at the bottom, this is the, is the Oxford dictionary online.

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Okay. And that's why I put this source on the bottom of this. But they were taking up too much space on the side.

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Okay, so we've got definitions. So start with, we have got various definitions. We've got inoculation.

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Vaccination and vaccine. So inoculation really and vaccination these days are interchangeable. Absolutely interchangeable terms.

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Okay, so when you inoculate someone you're immunizing against a disease you're introducing in effective matter or material microorganisms or a vaccine into the body.

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Vaccination is the actual introduction. That's the that's the needle part or the Oh yeah, on the sugar queue part.

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Vaccination is the process of getting that vaccine. Okay. And a vaccine is a substance used to stimulate immunity to particular infectious diseases or pathogens.

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Okay and they're usually prepared from inactivated or weakened forms of the pathogen that causes the disease.

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Okay, so just to start you off with that. Okay, so next slide. Oops, sorry.

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That's my fault. Right. I'm so sorry. It's very, very rare for me to do this.

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And I don't know why, but we're not, won't let me go back.

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So we're just going to miss the. Sounds terrible. So it's very, very, not very professional, is it?

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The last slide when I clicked through by accident because I was trying to move your faces off my screen.

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That one. All it showed you was a timeline of vaccination, okay? And we're going to have another one later on, but particularly what it started with was smallpox.

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The very first vaccination was against smallpox. And then we went through from sort of the 17 well proper crop smallpox vaccination started in 1798.

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That's the gender one and we were looking through to the present day and obviously that led to the kovat vaccine that was produced in very, very short time.

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But what I'd like to do is just say that smallpox is interesting because It is the only, micro or pathogen that we have managed.

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To eradicate in the wild using vaccination. And it's been extremely successful and it took a whole world approach to be able to do that.

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Currently the world we are trying to eradicate polio. We're doing quite well with polio with vaccination around the world.

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But there are certain pockets in certain countries and pockets within those countries where we have just not managed to eradicate it in the wild yet.

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Okay, so I'm going to just start with smallpox. So smallpox is caused by a virus.

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It's a variola virus. Okay. 8 kills one in 3 infected people.

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This is why when Scientists, doctors, governments were trying to look at eradicating certain diseases.

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Smallpox was one that they really, really wanted to to get rid of. Mainly because It kills so many people.

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In the sixteenth, seventeenth centuries, if when a ship ships were trading around the world, you would find that if a ship had smallpox on it then the when they came into port, they usually they were turned away.

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There were there were instances of ships being set on fire. Because people were so scared of smallpox.

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People at that time were so frightened of smallpox because it killed one in 3 of you. So if you had a family of 9, 3 of you would die from it.

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Which is a huge It's an awful lot of people. And it's a very unpleasant disease.

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Okay, it only affects humans and that is part of the reason why it We were able to actually eradicate it.

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There is no animal, sort of sink. For the virus for smallpox because it only affects humans.

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So that made it a lot easier for us to actually. Completely eradicate. Okay.

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The first inoculations for smallpox were surprisingly enough, probably in China. Now I've given the date of the fifteenth century or earlier.

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But they're all reports and I couldn't cooperate them so that's why I didn't put it down but there are reports that't put it down but there are reports that probably in China from the tenth century.

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The, that they were, they were trying, they were inoculating against smallpox.

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Okay. So at that time, you know, China was, an extremely Oh, with thinking, country.

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So fifteenth centuries a long time. What happened though is that we do absolutely definitely know that by the early eighteenth century there was vaccination of a type being conducted in the middle east.

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They're all actual retirement records for that. We know that happened. Okay. So this is the lady.

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She's very interesting. She's one of our female scientists who's, well, she's not really a scientist, but she is somebody who is actually being recorded in history.

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So Lady Mary Wellsley, Montague was of Quite a wealthy family. She contracted smallpox.

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When she lived in England. And she did survive, she was, she was the 2 out of 3 that survived.

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But she had severe scarring. Smallpox generally scars on the face. Most the worst scarring is on the face.

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She lost her And she had red and sore eyes for the rest of her life. Many people who survived smallpox went blind.

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And they lost the site altogether. So as you can see, even if you survived it, it really wasn't a very nice thing to have had.

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Nice. Lady Mary. Married and she and her husband moved to Turkey and she was very interested because she had this terrible scarring on her face and she noticed that in Turkey there were very few people with such severe scarring.

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She saw people who had a little bit of scarring but nothing like hers. And she was interested to find out why.

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And she found that local women were using a very, very early form of anoculation. And the way they did this was, you'll be a bit shocked about this, I'm sure.

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But what they did was, they would have like this, I'm sure. But what they did was, they would have like little, you know, today or, and they would have like little, you know, today or certainly in the last sort of 2030 years, certainly in the last sort of 2030 years, people used to have chicken pox parties, in the last sort of 2030 years, people used to have chicken pox

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parties. People used to have chicken pox parties to do that invite, invite all the friends around because one child chicken box and that's fine.

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Well, in Turkey at that time they would have like, invite all the friends around because of one child chicken box or get it and that's fine.

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Well, in Turkey at that time they would have like gatherings in the autumn for smallpox and all get it and that's fine.

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Well in Turkey at that time they would have like gatherings in the autumn for smallpox and what they would do with the older women in the, would have like gatherings in the autumn, for smallpox and what they would do with the older women in the communities would find somebody who had smallpox.

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They would take plus actual pus from the postules of the smallpox patient. And then what they would do was with the local children.

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They would make a very, very small little cot in the child's arm. They would rub in the actual smallpox pus into that little cut and they bind it up really tightly with a bandage.

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And that child would go on to develop a very very mild bout of smallpox, really mild.

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And then they were immune for life. So, very, very interesting. This is, Lady Montague thought this was very interesting.

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Now the reason that these children did not develop full-blown really really bad smallpox was because smallpox is actually an airborne disease.

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In the same way as colds, flu and COVID. It's an airborne disease. And when it enters the airways because your respiratory system is very moist, it's very surprisingly big, it's got a huge surface area, your lungs, your sinuses and everything.

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If you, if you contract some other pops like that, you get full blown smallpox.

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But when it's just introduced under the skin. Then you do not get all of the symptoms. It's a much, much milder way of developing the disease.

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So she had a little girl and she decided that she'd have her little girl vaccinated. Let's her little boy, sorry, her little boy vaccinated in Turkey by a local woman.

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Obviously people were a bit, you know, worried about this. It's a risky thing to do, but having survived smallpox herself and having known how unpleasant an illness it was.

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But how lucky she was to survive, how lucky she was to still have her sight. She wanted to protect her children.

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So her little boy was vaccinated in Turkey. And then the family moved back to England. And in, 1,700, and 21, she arranged for her daughter to be vaccinated in England by a doctor who had experience of he'd been to the Middle East himself and he knew how it was done.

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So it was an English doctor that did it. But it was the same method. And this generated a significant amount of interest at court.

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And of course, in those days, the people at court, where the wealthy, the powerful, the influential.

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And so many people. In wealthy families started to let their children be vaccinated in this way. Of course it is a risky way of vaccinating because it you're using that actual live.

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And so, you know, there will be some Kash, casualties along the way. But it's better than nothing.

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So. This is timeline for immunisation against smallpox. So obviously it was Lady Mary in the very early 17.

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Sort of twenties. But then, and with Jenna, you'll all know this story, Edward Jenner.

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Discovered that milkmaids were unlikely to get smallpox. Providing they have been infected with cowpox.

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He discovered that if you use cowpox pus as a vaccine, then you would introduce a mild form of cowpox which would give you immunity against smallpox.

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The actual viruses for the 2 are quite closely related. They're similar enough for your body to promote, to promote an, an immune reaction within your body in, within your white cells.

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And that's immunity lasts for life. And this was a game changer because Calpox is generally it's not a it's not a killer.

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It's not a killer like smallpox. But it was safer. It really, really worked.

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And what they tend to do, they didn't really go for the cut, so much, they used to scrape the skin, open up the skin a bit and rub it in like that.

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So that was 1896. That's sorry, 1. 96, a long time ago.

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In the 18 forties and fifties. In many countries around the world, including Britain, parts of the United States.

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Many other countries within Britain particularly within Europe. Smallpox vaccination became mandatory. You had to have it if you wanted to travel.

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And that led to smallpox vaccination certificates and you have to have those for travelling. I'm sure many of you in this call will have a yellow fever certificate.

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For travelling. That used to be, that's mandatory in some countries around the world today.

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By 1958. Smallpox vaccination had been extremely successful and the cases around the world were dropping and dropping and dropping.

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The deaths were dropping. And the WHO, the World Health Assembly, called for the global eradication of smallpox.

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And they decided that we got so far that the end was inside. And if everybody worked together, we would get rid of it.

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I'm sure there are some of you on this call who will actually have a little scar on your arm.

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About the size just just a little bit bigger than a penny. And that will be a smallpox vaccination scar that you may have had.

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And if you haven't got one, I don't have one. But my mother and my father did.

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So it's within living memory that people were actually being vaccinated. Against smallpox. By 1,980.

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The WHO declared that smallpox was actually officially completely eradicated in the wild in the world.

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And that was a huge, huge breakthrough. So we don't worry about smallpox anymore.

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We don't have to worry about it. We're not going to catch it. Even though the majority of us now.

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Have not been vaccinated against it because we didn't need to be vaccinated. I'm a child of the sixties.

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I'm just going to put that out out to you. I didn't get the vaccination because in the UK by the time I was a child I was a baby.

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There's so many people in so many adults in the past generations have been vaccines to get smallpox that smallpox was pretty much eradicated in Britain.

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So, I didn't get a vaccine. They stopped doing the wholesale vaccination of, children.

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Now, this is, an American, graph. This actually came from Harvard University. And this is just to indicate the death rates of smallpox and what a game changer to vaccination was.

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So this is the death rates in Boston. And U.S.A. and as you can see though they fluctuate in the way that all diseases do with diseases often come in cycles you have badgers you have good years you know so on.

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But if you have a look at this. When in 1,800 the first tie is first use of vaccine in Boston occurred.

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Many people in Boston were vaccinated from there onwards. And the rates of deaths from smallpox.

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Plummeted. Absolutely plummeted. So you went from, in 1721.

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Nearly 8,000 people a year dying 8,000 sorry 8,000 per 100,000 people a year dying from smallpox 2, well, at the worst.

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52.1 there must have been a bit of a blip in between 1937 and 1873 and I don't know what that was I don't know whether it was maybe to do with war or anything I don't know.

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U.S.A. history, but there was obviously a bit of a blip because the cases went up. Having said that, they were still not up to the weights that they had been.

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Before vaccination.

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Okay, so smallpox today has actually been eradicated in the wild.

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All governments have a stock of vaccine. It is a live type vaccine. Okay, it's not dissimilar to the one that Jenna used.

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It's not quite the same, but it's not dissimilar. So it's a live vaccine.

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That means that if you have certain, If you're, you know, compromise.

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You're taking certain medicines. You're not able to have that type of vaccine.

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Okay, officially 2 labs in the world have samples for smallpox. They are in the ones in russia and ones in Atlanta in U.S.A. Okay.

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There are, I know that, Portland Down has got a little stock and I think that is used for We research.

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And what we're really, really, really worried about these days in the world is the fact that smallpox could be used as a biological weapon.

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Because basically there are very, very few of us now in the world who have actually been vaccinated against it.

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And so. This is something that we are worried about.

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Because we know it kills people. Okay, right, so we're looking at the development of other vaccines.

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Now before I get onto that, I am just going to give you a little bit of potted history.

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So in the nineteenth century The biggest cause of death from disease and this is not including heart disease cancer. So this is just.

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To communicable diseases. The ones that you can catch from other people. In the nineteenth century.

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People were dying from TV. They were dying from whooping cough, diphtheria, rabies.

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Tatness, whooping cough, all of those things. By 1,900 and flu in the early 19, well, 1919, 1919, Spanish flu.

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We don't call it Spanish flu anymore. It didn't originate in Spain. It was just that's the way we all remember it.

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But the big flu pandemic in 1918, 19, there were reasons for that. A lot of it was to do with war.

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Bit the war and what happened was the war enabled it the spread of it very very quickly. But that was a massive pandemic.

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And I have got figures, 50 million people at least in the world, 50 million people at least in the world died in 1,918.

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And because of flu. 50 million. And just imagine that in those days the population, the total population of the world was significantly lower than it is now.

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As a sort of, you know, comparison. The UN, has estimated that We have had deaths associated with COVID, not due to COVID, but deaths either due to code or due to complications of kovat or associated with kovat.

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We think that 15 million people have died in 202-02-0210kay, and those 2 years.

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So that's 15 million. Associated with COVID against 50 million. In 1918 19 with the flu.

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That's that just puts COVID into perspective. And of course there are reasons why COVID didn't.

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Kill as many it would have done. But it didn't. Okay. And in the nineteenth, twentieth century, flu obviously was a big a big killer because of that pandemic.

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People were still dying of TV. They were dying of children die of diarrhea that happens in countries all over the world today.

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Children were dying of diphtheria. Cholera and twist. No, we don't tend to, what happened with cholera and typhoid was that It was found that they were waterborne diseases and with improvements within sewers, water treatment, piping of water and so on.

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We were able to contain those. Without having to look too much. That's vaccines, although vaccines were were produced.

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Okay, so the reason that we developed all these vaccines was so that people wouldn't die. I mean, it was as simple as that.

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Okay. You must remember that in the past, you know, a lot of these, diseases were caused by viruses.

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And it is only quite recently that we've been able to have any treatment against virus at all apart from immunisation.

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Other diseases that were caused by bacteria but of course pre, 19 forties, we had no antibiotics.

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And so people would die from bacterial infections. So, you know, scientists were looking at ways of trying to reduce.

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Reduce the deaths. By different means. And that's really why vaccines were were being developed.

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So in 1,885 pastor okay and well we've heard about him and we didn't actually it was Jenna but pasta developed a vaccine for rabies pasta was very hot on developing vaccines.

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And 1896 we had typhoid and cholera. In the 19 hundreds. In the 19 forties.

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Game changer, flu vaccine. That was the first flu vaccine was produced and I'll send it theory and polio.

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Okay. My mother remembers. Children dying of dictionary. I think she lost one of her sisters to diphtheria and she just remembers like a membrane at the back of her throat.

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We got to 1,957 and the whooping cough or petosis vaccine was produced.

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I, I remember I was at school with a girl who had, she called whooping cough.

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She was, about 1112. She caught hooping cough, she was off school for a month.

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She came back and she couldn't do games or anything for about 3 or 4 weeks afterwards.

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In the 19 sixties we developed vaccines against Okay, Rebella doesn't kill people.

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But if you if a pregnant woman contracts, in the first 3 months pregnancy, and it is associated with congenital birth defects.

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So it was important, although the mum, the pregnant woman wouldn't die, and her baby would have would be altered for life.

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Just because of the Mabela and that's why that was introduced in particular. Okay. I remember having, I didn't have a vaccine against a time, just a little bit too old.

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And, I remember my parents being absolutely scared to death that I would end up blind or deaf.

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Or have meningitis. I think, you know, this is what I think.

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But sometimes we forget how bad some of these diseases were. Good. So in the twentieth century, here we go.

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This is, 20 first century. So this is, this is more at the current time. So we developed, pneumococcal vaccines in the 2,000.

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And pneumococcal vaccines. And they prevent the main cause of pneumonia.

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And pneumonia kills people or many people, especially when you're older, if you if you develop new ammonia, then you can be very, difficult to get better from it even with modern medicines and modern hospital.

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It can be particularly difficult. And pneumonia can be caused by viruses as well. So the vaccine, for new, a pneumococcal vaccine.

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Helps prevent pneumonia. You only need it the once. It's not like the MMR.

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All the rabies that you need to have don't really sorry tennis that you need to have boosters for new macock we have it once and you've had that's it.

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It's done. You're right. You're in. In the 20 tens we developed via vaccines against shingles.

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Rotor virus which is a diarrhea type It causes diarrhea. And a children's flu virus.

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A children's flu vaccine was developed in the 20 times. So it's about it's slightly different to the one that you will get.

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If you have if you're eligible and you get one in the winter, the children's one is not quite the same as the one that, is used for adults.

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So in the 20 tens, I mean you can just see how development of vaccines has really, really speeded up and this is the big thing now you know when the The earliest vaccines, they took a long time.

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I mean, we started in the 17 sort of sixtys with smallpox and things were just gradual, gradual, but now we've got to the 20 first century.

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We are, producing vaccines now much much more quickly. So in the 2010 we also have one against many injocal meningitis.

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HPV, that's the human papillo. I just left it as a HVV because I can't take word and Papillo virus.

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It's the one that is, I can't say a word, and the Papillo virus, it's the one that is, is highly associated with Secycle cancer.

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Okay, I think it's 98% of cases of cycle cancer are linked to HPV virus.

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We've also, introduced, an Ebola. Vaccine and a vaccine against monkey pox which obviously was not only news not so long ago.

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Because that again is so it was spreading very very quickly. So not all of us are going to be given all of these vaccines apart from the HPV now and and the minage cockle babies get that one and HPV is given to teenagers.

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They start off just giving it to girls. It is a 3 jab vaccine. You have to have it 3 times.

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To get full protection. And they started giving it to just girls, but now it's being, I think it should have always been this way.

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It's been introduced for boys as well. So teenage girls and boys will get the HPV.

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Vaccine. And that should make in the in the future that should really really reduce the cases of cycle cancer.

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So what we're doing here is we are not vaccinating. We're vaccinating, vaccinating against HPV, but HPV doesn't kill you.

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But the associated cancers can. And the actual fact HPV is also associated with some oral cancers as well.

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And some peanut comes as 2, which is why it's really, really important that boys and girls both have it.

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Okay, and then we get to the 20 twenties Well, 2020. COVID the COVID vaccine and that was produced in a very, very short space of time.

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That very short space of time. And we've got some slides coming up. Which I will explain why that one came up so fast.

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Okay. So next one. So we have got various vaccines. Okay.

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And they are. Classified into 2 sorts really. So you have you have live vaccines or attenuated vaccine.

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So a line vaccine is, the, those that are used for smallpox. Polio?

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MMR rotovirus The diarrhoea one, smallpox, I'm sorry, smallpox fries and chicken box.

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Okay, it is possible to get a vaccine against chickenpox. But obviously chicken pox is a generally a mild disease.

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Chicken pox is not caused by a variola virus. Okay, but what chicken pox does do is chicken pox You have it the once, you're immune for life once you've had it the ones, but the virus stays within your body.

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It lives in nerve cells. It's what seconds itself down. In a little nerve cell somewhere.

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It can be reactivated, reactivated in times of severe stress, severe illness and so on and that is shingles.

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So I'm sure there are more than one of you here in this call who's had shingles.

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It is incredibly painful. And once you've had it the once, it tends to sort of It goes, and you can, there are antiviral drugs you can take for it.

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But if you've had it the once sometimes it will, you know, if you're a bit run down, it'll, it'll reactivate a little bit.

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Okay, so that's really why you've looked at developing, the chicken box vaccine.

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Okay, so.

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Let's get to the next ones. So these are inactivated. vaccines.

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Okay, so the last one's were live or attenuated. So live meant life, actually living, attenuated mint just changed a little bit so it wasn't going to cause the disease okay they might just change a little bit of something in the protein code and it would just not cause the disease but would cause an immune reaction from your immune system.

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Inactivated via vaccines are things like the MRN, MRNA vaccines, okay, and that includes COVID vaccine.

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You have some which. Have this is complicated but basically what they do is they take one little bit of the actual pathogen.

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It might be the coat, if it's a virus, you get a protein coat round it. They might take the protein code, they might take a little bit of the material inside the virus.

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What they do is they try and take a little bit of the virus or the back area which is causing the disease.

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And they can. Introduce it into your body but What happens is that the bit that they take out will cause your immune system to, to mount an immune response, you will make antibodies.

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You will make white cells that remember that particular pathogen. But it won't cause the disease.

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Okay, so these are very safe and these types of vaccines can be taken by more people. So they include things like the hip vaccine.

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The hepatitis B, HPV, the whooping cough, pneumococcal, minging jockey and shingles.

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Okay.

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. Time There are some vaccines which are called toxic toxoid vaccines. Now these some pathogens produce a toxin and it's the toxin that makes you ill.

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So the toxin you can make a vaccine using the toxin Changing it very, slightly so that A body's immune system recognises it as foreign?

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And if it recognizes it as foreign, it mounts and an immune response. And so you will become you'll get an immunity from it.

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So toxoid vaccines are the dip theory of vaccine and the tetanus vaccine. Okay, so those 2 vaccines are made from the poison, the toxin that the organism produces.

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And it's it will give you immunity. Then you have what are called vile vector vaccine. So that's like COVID.

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19. And basically what they do is they take a little bit of the virus. They take the bits that your body recognizes as foreign.

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The bit that you're immune, your white cells recognize as being foreign. And they put that into a vaccine.

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And then your body recognises this as being foreign. And, and the mean response. COVID-19 is one of those.

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Oh, oh my goodness, I finished too early. Oh, that's not very good, is it?

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Okay, well, let me just stop the share because what I would like to do because I missed a little bit out at the beginning.

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Because Cause I went through the, yeah, I missed, cause I missed the slide to be honest. It was my fault.

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So what I would like to say is, and this has come from the Office of Natural, National Statistics, and I think this is extremely interesting.

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Is that once immunization was introduced to countries there was a dramatic decline in deaths. Now if you want to go and see the actual figures you go on to the Office of Natural, National Statistics website and have a look.

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I had a look at them and I didn't want to put slides on because they were too complicated.

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You wouldn't have seen them, especially if you're looking on the small screen. Okay, but once.

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Vaccines were introduced against polio. Dipheria, tetanus. Whooping cough and measles, mumps and rubella.

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There was a dramatic decline in deaths. From those diseases. And I think sometimes we forget that these these diseases do call do cause death.

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And often disability. Okay. So I think that's it. I'm really sorry that I've finished so early.

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That's got myself. I don't know what I got myself. Oh, so I'm finished too early.

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The other thing. No, that's it. That's it. So Fiona, would we like to go to our any questions that we've got?

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Okay. Yes, we've got some here and thanks very much for that. We'll just go straight into the questions now.

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Let's have a little look. Now. You mentioned this a few times. Diseases being eradicated in the wild.

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What exactly do you mean by that? I would assume that You mean within the general population of the world basically.

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Yeah, yes, definitely within the general population. So the thing is, when diseases are, when you catch something, it's because you get it from somebody.

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You know, so say if I, if I catch cold, I will have got a cold from somebody else.

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They, they'll, you know, sneeze coughed, touch something, whatever.

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I, I would have caught it from them. But if there, if If people have been vaccinated, they will not catch those diseases.

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And if you have, if you have fewer and fewer people who are able to catch those diseases. Then if you have fewer fewer people who are spreading them.

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And so the more and more people who have been vaccinated, the fewer and fewer people are spreading the disease and the disease will just.

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If it can't be, if it can't be. Transmitted. Then it's going to go.

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So say say say there was somebody in Hi, mountain cave, you know. Somebody who lived completely on their own.

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And they, They contract, they've gone into town, they contracted smallpox.

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But they went back to their cave. And was ill, they might be ill, they might have survived, they may not have survived, but during all that time they're real because they live completely on their own.

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They're not transmitting the disease, so it's not going further from them. And so the more people who are actually immunized, the less chance diseases have to be transmitted.

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Okay.

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Okay. And that question was from Leslie, so I hope that answered your question, Leslie.

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So, Yeah.

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And, people are asking, would it be possible for to actually see the slide that we missed?

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Is it possible? We launch and let's just have a quick look at it. I think it was a quick timeline, wasn't it?

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Oh yes. Yes, let's relaunch right. And it was a very quick timeline to be fair, but let me just go past.

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I'm sorry about that. It was completely by my fault. That's this one.

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There you go.

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There we are. There we go. This is the one we missed. I'm very, very sorry about this.

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So basically, it was a nicer picture than the other one. So in the eighteenth century, we were looking at the smallpox vaccine in the nineteenth century we were looking at the smallpox vaccine we were looking at the smallpox vaccine.

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In the nineteenth century, it was typhoid and rabies was developed. In the nineteenth century it was typhoid and rabies was developed.

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The vaccines against both of those were developed. The vaccines against both of those were developed. The vaccines against both of those were developed.

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Okay. And of course in the nineteenth century as far as typhoid, the vaccines against both of those were developed. Okay.

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And of course in the nineteenth century as far as typhoid was concerned as well was in the nineteenth century as far as typhoid was concerned as well was certainly in Britain.

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We started to have much better water, as far as typhoid was concerned as well, was certainly in Britain, we started to have much better water, cleaning, systems and sewage systems.

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Well, we're certainly in Britain. We started to have much better water, cleaning, systems and sewage systems.

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So once, we sorted out, our sewage system got water treated and kept our drinking water completely separate, that made a huge difference in itself to typhoid in the UK.

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But there was a vaccine produced because it was a, it kills an awful lot of people to kind of typhoid.

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Then we got to the twentieth century, so we looked at as I said before, we had the flu vaccine and interestingly the this is better slide in the way that it's got some names on it.

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The influenza influenza vaccine was produced by Thomas Francis and Jonas Sulk. Sulk was a name that you will hear and can with vaccines.

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There is a salt vaccine and I've got a feeling. I can't remember what it. What it, he immunizes against now, but it's quite famous vaccines, the Sultan.

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I don't think we use it anymore though. I'm sure it's being superseded.

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So and then TV, TV, I'm sure you're aware TB, it was and still is a disease that is.

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As it kills people. It's often the disease of overcrowding but not necessarily. And it was killing an awful lot of people.

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So the vaccine for, tuberculosis was developed in the 1920. And that was the BCG vaccine that many of you will have.

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I've had that one. We don't give the BCG vaccine anymore to children automatically because it is not particularly effective against many of the strains of tuberculosis.

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TB that are circulating. Today. So it's not given routinely anymore. And TB vaccine is usually given to certain groups of people who are more at risk than others.

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Okay. TV is not, it's surprisingly enough, it's not particularly infectious.

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And so you can actually contain TV quite quickly once you have if you have one one case of it it's quite it's not too hard to trace everybody that's been in contact with that person and and vaccinate in small areas.

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Though it's it's more cost-effective but more to the point is that BCG is not Absolutely brilliant.

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Helping with the modern strain. So I was convinced I'd be absolutely fine against TV, but apparently I'm not.

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Then you have, TV is still prevalent in the world today. It's still is a lot of people die from TB today.

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We have TB as a bacterial infection. We do have antibiotics for it, but to get rid of TB, you have to take them for about 6 months.

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So you need compliance. And many people stop taking them, once they feel better. And then the TV comes back and then it's it's mutated so the antibiotics don't work against it anymore.

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So we have a lot of TB. Now, which are, which do not respond to the antibiotics that we have.

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And this is one of the big problems that we have. And this is one of the big problems we have with TV.

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So we really do need, some new vaccines. And this is one of the big problems we have with TB. So we really do need, some new vaccines.

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There, there and being made. Here we go, polio vaccine, that's a silkon.

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That's the one that you had on the sugar cube. You probably remember that it's an oral vaccine.

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And polio is, is a disease that is spread orally.

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And that's one of the sugar cube. And there is another type of polio vaccine now that one is it's an injectable one.

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Okay, then we had peptide speed in 1,969, MMR in 1,971 it was starting to be given to all children okay so although the measles.

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Vaccine had been available in the sixties in the late sixtys the actual combined jab the MMR was developed in the early seventies and started to be getting to children then.

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77, we had the NUMA cockle vaccine, then hepatitis A, 1995.

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And the HPV vaccine that was 2,006 is quite recent is that one. Okay. And then what isn't on this slide and should have been was COVID. I've stuck it on the side.

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I couldn't get it fit on. So they co with vaccine obviously is the most recent one that we are aware of.

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Yeah.

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So that was that was the side we mixed and I'm so sorry we missed it because actually it's a really good slide.

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Thanks.

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Good. Okay. And right. Now, what we've got next now.

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And this is question from Anne. Would we, and I say the word all these, this is Anne's words, not mine, would we all days and I think we're talking about smallpox here.

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Okay.

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And would we all days who have been vaccinated still have immunity?

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Good.

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Yes, yes, it's lifelong immunity, the smallpox vaccine. Yeah. Yeah, so in the case of biological warfare, you'd be okay.

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Yeah.

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Excellent. I hope that answers your question. And a question from Sally, and about the MMR.

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I knew this would come up.

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This website is going to come up, I think. Yeah. And so Sally is saying, getting the benefits of vaccines and the eradication of a lot of diseases.

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Why do you think or do we know why? The uptake of MMR is now really rather low causing quite a prevalence of measles in at the moment.

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And why that is a rise in an anti-vaccination movement since COVID.

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Hmm. Right. Well, let's start with the, the first pass that question, which was, what was the first one?

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NMR.

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MMM, right. So why the rates going down? There's I think there were a few reasons.

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First of all, in the 9, the 19 nineties. There was a, very widely publicized, Study, don't, which associated.

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I'm just going to put it like this. Associated MMR with autism. My son was due to have his vaccines, his MMR.

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The week or so after that came out. So obviously I was I was you know concerned and interested and I delayed this vaccine a vaccination because I wanted to find out more about the study.

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And as it happens, that study, although it was reported widely on the television, in the papers and so on.

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The study was a study of I think it was 6 children. So it wasn't a valid study.

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There were not enough participants within the study to make it statistically, to statistically, viable.

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And I had to look at it. I had a look at other studies. There are many of the studies looking at.

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MMR and autism and the other studies as far as I can find out. Do not show anything at all.

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So my son did have his. Although it was a month or so later than planned. I think a lot of people did not do the research that I did and they just still think that there is a link and I think that's part of it.

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And I think the other part of it as well is that, people, I mean, obviously I, older, like, like, you know, some of you, How I said I remember having measles as a child and I remember how worried my parents were.

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Now, my children have no idea what measles is like. They will have no idea what even to look for with the rash and so on and i think that with younger people they just Do not appreciate the fact that measles and mumps.

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Would cause death or disability. Measles is actually the major cause of meningitis. And I think people don't realize that.

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We're all scared of meningitis. But measles is actually the major cause of meningitis.

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So I think that's that's got a lot to do with it. The anti-vax movement.

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I, that's

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Are you probably gathered that I agree with vaccination? I'm a scientist and so I do agree with vaccination.

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However, people have a choice. They can decide what they want to do or what they don't want to do.

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I think the media, the social media and so on have a lot to do with the anti-vaccination movement.

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There's a lot of misinformation. Around and there's a lot of misinformation with people with agendas.

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So that's my that's my personal opinion. And that is a bit of a political opinion but that I think is why we have this huge anti-vaccination movement.

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And it is driven by certain groups of people with certain ideas. Past the reason that polio is not being eradicated is because of groups in certain countries.

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Who believe that. Okay. I believe that there are. Dark forces involved with the polio vaccination scheme program.

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And and if they if they weren't if they didn't have those particular ideas it would probably be completely eradicated by now.

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Okay.

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So I think it's a lot to do with media. Good. That's my opinion. Okay.

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Okay, right, let's move on. And now we were talking about lots of different vaccines for lots of different diseases.

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A different An, is asking about scarlet fever.

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Scarlett fever! Yes! Scarlett Faber, as far as I'm aware, because I've got a bit of a look.

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I can't find that there is a vaccine against scalar thief. Scala figures horrible disease.

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I think part of the reason that we maybe haven't developed, a vaccine for Scarlet Fever is that it's a bacterial disease and you can treat it with antibiotics.

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So I rather think that that's probably why there isn't a drive. To develop a vaccine.

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Having said that, we are all aware that our our antibiotics are limited. They are reduced.

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Many pathogens are becoming resistance to them. So I it would be quite interesting to see whether that What they, vaccine is produced for scarlet fever in the next sort of 1020 years.

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I wouldn't surprise me if it did. It's becoming quite common again as well. It used to be quite a rare thing.

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Scarlett fever, but I believe cases are going up a little bit.

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Hmm, interesting. And a question from Celia. This is maybe more of a medical question, so I'm not sure whether this is something you did the answer but she's asking about shingles because it seems to be quite prevalent these days as well, doesn't it?

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I am a recent person that's had it very mildly and it's deeply unpleasant.

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Hmm.

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Painful but it's what Celia is asking is why do we get it? Can it be a stress thing or are there other puzzle?

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What are the causes?

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It can be a stress thing. It can be to do with illness. As I said, it's shingles is caused by the virus that causes chickenpox.

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Yeah.

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And once you had chickenpox as I said the virus it finds little place within your nervous system and it will just sit there and You know, go to sleep.

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But sometimes it's Almost woken up by stressful events can definitely reactivate it.

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Illness can often reactivate it some people you have no idea what's reactivated it and my it's a disease more generally of older people, shingles.

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It's very rare for young people to have shingles, but I, my niece actually had shingles as a teenager.

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Hmm.

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Mild case. But that's extremely rare and I don't, we don't know what caused it.

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We don't know she didn't have it. You know, something happened. It just it just appeared, but it's often associated with times of extreme stress.

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Illness and lack of just being run down. You know, my mother-in-law had it after her husband was, admitted to a residential care and that's because she hadn't slept for 2 years, year enough.

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And, she, she was very, very ill with it. But it is that.

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Hmm.

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It is that stress thing, but sometimes you just don't know what's caused it.

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Yeah, okay. Well, I hope that answers your question, Celia. Now we've got a couple of other questions and then I think we'll need to wrap.

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No. Hold on 1 s. Let me just scroll down.

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Hmm.

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Yes, question from Ruth. You talk, it's coming back to smallpox again. I think it was at 2 thirds of people that caught smallpox survived.

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Yeah.

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You mean, why? Were they just generally healthier and stronger or do we know whether there was a particular reason?

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Okay.

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As far as we know, we don't know if those particular reason some people's immune systems are stronger than others.

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It could be that some of those people that survived had maybe had a very mild case of cowpox that they hadn't known about or something like that.

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It could just be that their immune system was able to fight off the disease better. I would think that probably your general health had a lot to do with it if you were well fed and you were warm.

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And healthy then I'm sure that your immune system would have been able to combat the smallpox easier than if you were in living in very, very poor conditions and actually not having enough to eat.

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Because that does affect your immune system if if you know

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Exactly.

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Hmm. Yeah, absolutely. Well, you are what you eat. And right, one final question.

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And then I think will wrap up. This is from, I don't know the name, it just says Jay.

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No, this is about It's and HIV. Are there scientists working on an AIDS vaccination?

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I know that there are a lot of work has gone on in terms of tackling the HIV virus.

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I, I think there must be. you know, when, scientists are working on things like this, they keep it.

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Keep it to themselves really until they've got something good enough to be able to publish and be certain.

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I think they're they must be definitely working on a vaccine against H HIV because it's a virus that has spread around the world.

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It's debilitating. It does cause deaths as we know. Obviously now we have developed treatments.

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Changed HIV altogether and you can live a full life as long as you know a full length life now, taking, taking the medicines.

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I mean, you have to take them every day. It's quite a regime. It's not that easy to follow.

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But it's doable and you know your your length of life won't be changed. So I don't know how much money has maybe been going into the treatment and these drugs.

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Against how much money went into finding a vaccine for it just remember HIV obviously we really saw the cases in the eightys in the early eightys was when we started to see it, it would have been around for a little while before that, but we were becoming aware of it in the eightys.

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And If HIV was was just sort of emerging now, I think there would be a bigger push on a vaccine because we have these vaccines now like the COVID one the MRNA vaccines they are easier to produce because all the testing has been, they are easier to produce because all the testing has been done on the the method.

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The way of, presenting the, vaccine itself. So all they change is a little bit of genetic material inside the capsule.

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And that's the only thing that's changed. So the testing regime is much, much easier, much quicker.

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Okay.

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So, yeah, I hope there will be one page, HIV. I think it would be really good if we could get a vaccine for it.

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Yeah. Okay. Well, thanks again, Catherine. That was really interesting stuff.

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I hope everybody out there agrees. I guess it is the subject we all have our opinions on as well and I do hope it's given you all some food for thought to find out a little bit more about it.

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So, and thank you Catherine.

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Thank you.

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And it's over to you, Geoffrey.

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Good evening, everyone. I'm sorry for the technical hitches there at the beginning.

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We're fully into the talk now. So welcome along to the talk on aspects of British agriculture, historic agriculture, we'll be looking at this from a variety of perspectives from an international national regional and local exemplars.

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To how British farming changed mainly in the nineteenth and twentieth century and into the 20 first century. So let's have a look.

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I'm a geography teacher, so we must start with a map. Now you've got to see from this, I've simplified.

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Map show you the physical relief of the country that by and large the north and the west of the British Isles.

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Tends to be a higher wetter area. Mountainless. Rugged they central and eastern and southeastern sides tend to be lower lying.

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Tend to be drier and those 2 aspects affect different types of agriculture that we have. There are regional variations in all of this of course, but by and large to the West we expect to find more grass growing and more catering both for beef production and for milk but also a lot of sheep in the uplands, particularly in Wales.

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Dairy in produces the milk for a whole range of industrial processes, food processing. Central, eastern, southern, eastern areas tend to be more arable.

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And fruit and horticulture. Sunlight, slightly dry climate. But we're going to be looking at some regional variations in all of these.

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And we're going to start out in the northern part. Start out in Scotland. Let me go a lovely image at the top here of some highland cattle.

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And these Highland cattle are being bred for. Mainly meat production and not just for the people in Scotland.

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Southeast of England has the bulk of the population and the industrial north of England, the Midlands.

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And great deal of meat was needed for that. And much of it was brought down on droving trails.

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Coming down from in this case, this particular map showing you from the the West Western Isles and from also from Northern Ireland and South West Scotland, heading down in a whole series of very long-distance drover trails.

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Mostly trying to find their way to the great capital at London, the huge meat market. Now, the north, because it's wetter and cooler climate, particular crops will be grown there.

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And in particular we associate that with oats. It's certainly Scotland with oats in the north of England.

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Oats went into severe decline early in the twentieth century with the loss of horsepower in much of industry and so at some extent in agriculture but have made a big comeback we now see the healthy options that oats give us and read not so long ago that the the acreage of votes in 2022 was equal to that in 1914.

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So there's been a big upsurge. That in 1,914. So there's been a big upsurge, this time mostly for human consumption, although of course we do still have a huge number of forces for leisure purposes.

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And so there's a big market in Oats. Yes, we associate of course Scotland with one of its main manufacturers and dollar owners of providing whiskey and we need a barley for that and so barley a lot of barley grown in southeast Scotland the area of the Lothians and down towards the borders.

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And that is going, something is going into, food production, but the bulk of that, certainly from Scotland is going into whiskey production.

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So we've got the bulk of that, certainly from Scotland, is going into whiskey production.

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So we've got some regionality developing here. If we go to the west of Britain and this is in far northwest Wales on the Fleen Peninsula.

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My apologies, anyone who is Welsh out there, my pronunciation of clean. It's the long peninsula that stretches out beyond Anglesey.

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These are Welsh black cattle. And similar to the Highland capital would be driven in their thousands down through

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From northwest Wales central mid Wales south Wales down through the midlands to the home counties. Process of bringing cattle across Britain hundreds and hundreds of miles means they lose a great deal of weight along the way and so they are pastured down in the in the clay lowlands of Middlesex and Hertfordshire down in the Thames Valley and the Way Valley into North Kent and Northern Sussex.

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And they're they're fat and known. And bought rather more slowly up to the big meat markets.

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In London that would be to the south of the Thames in Southwark. And to the north of the Thames famously in Smithville.

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Now, London. Is an enormous city in the early nineteenth century until 1,921 it's the largest city in the world.

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It's also immensely wealthy and they consume huge amounts of food. But until the end of the nineteenth century there is no effective refrigeration other than ice houses using blocks of imported Scandinavian ice.

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Food has to come in literally on the hoof or it's driven down. From East Anglia, Turkey's and geese, we clipped wings and literally walked into the centre of London, food has grown very close to the capital.

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You know, freezing no refrigeration, it has to be brought in rapidly. Much of it, of course, was dried or smoked or adulterated in a whole raft of ways which as it's approaching dinner time, I won't go into the detail, but you really don't want to be consuming much food.

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No, century. But it is a huge market. For the mates once they're all to bite the horns and hooves them.

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We all go off to be processed in a raft. Industries. That print here shown you old Smithfield market.

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And just the process of bringing large semi wild beasts through the seats of a densely packed city with all the noise and the confusion, sheep, cattle, pigs.

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It must have been, trying time for the drovers and then getting them here and then moving them on.

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Too slaughty yards and other markets. Beautiful image here of the densely packed market at Oldsmith Hill.

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Away from the West of England and the north of England and Scotland and stock production, there was a Please do.

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Yes, could I interrupt just for a second? I do not think people are seeing you transitioning through these slides.

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Right.

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I don't know if you want to stop sharing and re-share again to see if that clears whatever the problem might be.

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Okay. Okay.

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Okay.

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A lot of people are just saying, saying they can see the map, which was quite some time ago.

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Okay, it's not moved on from there. Okay, so we come out of that. We go to share screen again.

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Let's get to that.

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Let's just go back.

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Okay, people reporting they can see, they can see, okay, so.

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Okay, let me just run very quickly. Okay, we've got the map which some of you have seen.

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Yes, yes, just go back to where you were.

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Okay, we go back to the cattle. Oats, darling, down through the Welsh black cattle, the droving trails down into south of England.

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Right, capital of London and it's huge meat market.

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There is a regionality away from that Western, side of Britain, stop greering into other forms of production.

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And a lot of the certainly the lighter limestones in chalks of the south and the east.

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And the coastal plain of Kent, Sussex and Hampshire are big, horrible producers.

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And it's a lovely 1930 view here. Of some very evocative sheaves in a large field.

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This is on the the lower green sand in West Sussex. On the North of that you've got Lincolnshire with its big potato growing.

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Potatoes were relatively localised until the coming of the railways. A bit more about that to allow bulky cheap cargoes to be moved.

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Readily. So here you've got production, you'll notice the women and the children mainly involved in that.

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Aspect of agriculture. Specialized if you go into Norfolk with the growth of mustard. And Coleman's famously based at Norwich.

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Old established firm. Okay, in the West of England over on the Severn Valley, you've got that and around the river Avon.

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You have. Gloucestershire, Worcestershire, Herefordshire, great fruit producers.

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Famously for cider apples but I hear around Evesham, the 19 forties map, the number of orchards.

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Okay, Kent, of course, we associate with orchards and with hops. Can't be that much nearer to London had a very vibrant trade in getting fresh food.

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Both overland by Oxford and Horse. Horse and cart but a lot of it went by sea going along the north coast of Kent and up the river Thames into London and big bulky cargoes, a rather nice fifties image here of Kent.

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As the Garden of England. Specialized near to London. What herb and and medicinal plants for a raft of food industries and pharmaceutical industries.

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And there's a clip on the left hand side of the screen from the 1,839 directory for Surrey.

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Showing you under gardeners on that right hand column. Aromatic plants and medicinal herbs and they're all up at Mitchum and Merton, this is South West London.

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And then the image on the right are the car shortened lavender beds. Very nearby you would have had Mitcham.

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You see there which produced a form of peppermint. Mitch and mints were fairly popular one time.

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Lavender Hill, a bit further north in Battersea, where Mrs. Mead was born and you can still go into the deep suburban Hey, areas of Car Shorten in Surrey near to Croydon and see the lap into beds there.

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They were really stated about 20 years ago. And it's a marvelous sight to find your way between suburban bungalows.

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Into huge field of lavender. But you just have to like bees which fill up the space there.

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So there's very specialized especially near to London. More bulky goods away. Now we mentioned about daring being important and of course this advert here for a fried milk chocolate full cream milk from West of England farms and fries based in Bristol ideally placed a collect in the milk.

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Of course, bit further north, cabbage at Bournville. Similar area bringing in milk from the Welsh borderland.

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Okay, on the south coast of England much milder

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Deep rich soils, lot more sunshine generally. This is to the west of Worthing which had a big tomato growing.

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Empire and you can see the glass houses here. These are going to stop from the 1860 s onwards.

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Tomato and cucumber growing was based in the Lee Valley in the east side of London. Borders of Essex and London, but increasing smoke pollution drifting eastwards from the capital meant that growers were moving out from the 18 sixties using the new railway network and moving down to the south coast to get away from the smoke of London and was working tomatoes became very famous.

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And still some evidence of that around. Big extensive glass houses. In West Sussex today.

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It's over well growing potatoes, wheat, moving animals around. You need good transport links.

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Roads particularly in the southeast of England were pretty bad heavy clay thick sands made moving around difficult But by the 18 twenties road making is getting much better.

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You've got Telford in the West Midlands, macadam in the central Belt of Scotland, Stevenson's up in the northeast.

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These are all major industrial areas, so they needed good roads. Roads get better in the south of England.

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If you can cynically say when wealthy people need to get from London down to the seaside to the new resorts which are developing along the Kent, Sussex and Hampshire and Dorset coast.

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And this is a section of the new, 1,825 road from London to Brighton.

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The old road ran away on that winding route away to the east. But by the 1820. Wrote making had enabled a straighter road.

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Which cut the journey time from London to Brighton from 10 h down to 6 h, almost carved it.

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Now, if you allowed rich people to get to the coast, it allowed farmers on those routeways to get their goods to market more readily.

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So that aided farmers.

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In the Midlands and in the North in particular. The development of the canal system. Gay bulk cargoes could be moved around quite readily.

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Nice, early nineteenth century print there on very rural looking pattern and the Grand Junction Canal Basin.

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And on the right hand side a 19 thirties image of a family living on a canal boat in part of the black country to the west of Birmingham.

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And they would be moving. A lot of materials around to food production until the 19 seventys a lot of goods went to the hinds factories in North West London came in by, came in by Canalbert.

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It's the railways which really open things up. With no express dairies and that developed someone getting milk from Derbyshire down to London.

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And obviously using the train and taking that as their, as their, name of the phone, their express, dairies.

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On the right hand side, so rural, milk train. And of course that enabled. Highly perishable.

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Products such as your milk. To be taken into the urban areas. On UN refrigerated trains but you had the speed.

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So. Certainly by the middle of the nineteenth century. S have got access. To roads and most of them to railways and many of them to canal transport.

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That cuts their costs down. As we were rapidly urbanising nation, more people are living in fewer places.

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Which means the costs for the farmer distributed to these or the agricultural distributor is also coming down.

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Having said that, Machu rshaqua culture was still running in a very ancient form.

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This is in 1,907 on the South Downs. To the north of Brighton, very near the University of Sussex, in a village called Falmer.

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And here you've got someone rolling a field using oxen. Now oxen have been used since the Bronze Age.

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And in East Sussex it was the last place to commercially use auction. In the country for agriculture.

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The last team worked in 1,922. So just over 100 years ago.

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We were still using Bronze Age technology in agriculture. Daring wasn't too much better.

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I don't have a caption to tell you where this was taking place, but at the same period these are being hand built.

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In Denmark and in Holland. They were using mechanized milking processes which meant they're much cleaner, more hygienic and at greater volume.

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So it's very, very old-fashioned way of farming. This is in the 19 thirties in Essex, not far from London, big wheat fields of southern Essex using horse transport.

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So, farming wasn't keeping up with the technology. It was also labour intensive things like hot production.

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Just take a lot of people to produce hops, takes a lot of people to pick them as it was called.

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Pulling the binds. And traditionally firmly will come out from South London, East London to the Hopfield in Essex and Kent and East Sussex.

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Working holiday for urban families, extra money coming into the into the family coffers. And it would have been seen as the children's bit of a treat, but it was hard work, but again until the 19 sixties it's heavily dependent on manual labour.

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During the night nineteenth century mechanisation was coming in. This is by the artist John Lash showing you a thrashing machine, thrashing was something which kept agricultural labors occupied throughout the winter.

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Once the harvest was in in September it would be stored in ricks and then all through the winter it would be taken into the thrashing yards and gradually the barns will fill up with fresh grain, but it was work for agricultural laborers.

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One of these machines would do a winter's work. In a week and it meant unemployment people were leaving the land and flocking into the cities.

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Nasty places to live, but there was work available and there was relatively cheap housing available. Is why urban areas grew so rapidly in the nineteenth century.

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It looks idyllic in the in this countryside of the UK but it was very hard work and often socially very oppressive.

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People flocked into towns. This is an 1851 image of Brighton. We're not looking at the seaside image of Brighton here.

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We're looking at a gentry scan of houses along the front of the image and then terrorist workers housing a raft of industrial chimneys, big railway station, the top of the image windmill.

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The be some market gardens in that image as well. So. Urban areas, lot of people coming in, they need feeding.

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And a lot of that was done in the urban area. So I made this slide up just from local dairies in Brighton in the nineteenth century.

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Cows were kept in the country, but the difficulty was getting the milk into urban areas. Before the railway, almost impossible.

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So you made it into butter and cheese and you could move the milk that way. You wanted liquid milk.

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Was from urban dairies, town cows as they were called and the image top left hand corner are some tiny back streets in Brighton and the little images within those are cow houses.

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And count houses were taxed differently so they were recorded for bureaucracy. Down below of the bottom left hand corner is one of these cow houses.

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You can see a single cow. And at the top, lovely 1858 image. They aren't any cowkeepers, fruiterers in green grocers.

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That's in a very nice West End area of Brighton, very swanky area then and today.

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But it's this autumny cow keepers. It doesn't mean the cows were ordinary cows like Jersey cows or Guernsey cows.

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Any cow in the backyard was called an orgeny cow in the same way as we all have vacuum cleaners, only some of us have hoovers, but we talk about doing the A cow in the backyard was at Walden Cow and this would have been in London there would have been thousands and thousands of urban dairies producing.

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Probably not very good quality.

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You also needed vegetables, not so much in the way of fruit. This is 1832.

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On the very urban edge of Brighton. If I just go back 2 slides. The.

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Terraced streets in the middle of this image. The terrace streets you see at the bottom of this image and Brighton is growing out onto its surrounding farmland.

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Which you can see at top of the slide and the belt through the middle where the big 13 number is are a series of market gardens.

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One there is called Kensington Gardens. It's still a street name today. North Gardens is to the left hand side of the image, nearby Queen's Garden, Spring Garden, Zion Gardens.

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And these are all referring not to elegant. Gardens as you might see around a big house but to food production in market gardens.

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Big cities create a lot of people needing drink. We talked about Scottish whiskey. Most towns had breweries.

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Some towns like Bright would have had scores of breweries, both in visitors and for residents, and that requires a lot of crops to be grown for the production of beer.

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So we talked about barley going into whiskey in Scotland, south of England that goes into breweries.

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Thankfully this one still survives. Lewis is the county town of East Sussex and that is still the riverside, the Bridge Wharf Brewery.

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Down by the River Ouse, which still producing very high quality beer.

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The big crop which came into cities was not for food production for humans, but it was food for draft animals and big cities would have thousands of horses both for transport purposes, leisure purposes, military police.

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Mostly in cities with horse buses to run the horse bus networks. Horse buses appear in the 18 twenties in London, 1,800 fiftys in my hometown of Brighton, but certainly in London it was calculated you needed 16 forces.

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Every day for every single route. So if you've got the root number one, you need 16 horses to keep that route running from morning until evening.

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Hundreds of hundreds of bus services in big cities. This is a picture by David Cox, the watercolor of the hay making.

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And that was a big job getting hay into. One of the most famous pictures that everybody knows is the hay w and here is the haywain, an empty hayway in this case is probably down to and the quayside on the can now or down to the coast to offload his hay.

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Because here we are down in Essex with hay barges at Mill Reach on the Blackwater River and this would come into mainly from the southeast of England into London and of course where would it go the hay market in London was where it was collected.

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And that is an enormous trade. What went in one end of a horse? Comes out the other end of the horse and so these barges wagons, sailboats would go out laden out with stable when you were to go back to the farmlands.

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Around the home counties.

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A lot of hate was grown. Very near to London in particular. This is an 1850 s map of middle sex.

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Big fields. Clayland, perfect for, for growing grass and you might notice right here, put my, The middle of the map and down to here.

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I've got my pointer here is heath. Now, many of us know Heathrow, of course, is the big international airport, but this is Heathrow.

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And these big fields would would have been producing into the early twentieth century. Huge quantities of. Okay, this is a part of a 19 forties map of Essex and you can see what's happened to those big fields are covered in housing because after 1911 London transport stops using horses.

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There is no need for hey the Trice of Hayland Clements. And it gets taken up by house builders.

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John Betjeman famously has a poem which is parish of enormous hay fields. Kerry Vale stood all alone.

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And that was very typical. Of you could get 3 hay crops, that was 3 lots of money.

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And so it was profitable just to grow grass, but the grass wasn't needed. Profitable for suburban housing.

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And here's the chart which shows it all. So London Omnibuses, nearly 4,000.

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Buses there, horses. Coming in right down to 1911 down to 0. And they stop using them, relentless rise of motor buses.

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And of course trams are on this chart, but give you an idea of what was happening transport technology was changing.

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Affecting local agriculture. Okay. Now, during the nineteenth century, we start to get a regionalization of both crops.

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And of livestock. Selective breeding gives us bigger animals. Animal suitable for wood production or for meat production or leather production and so here we've got a Berkshire pig.

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At the top here, south down sheep which were developed early in the nineteenth century. To produce short stocky animals for wool.

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And for, meat. The top here, we had. South East of England produced a great deal of poultry, Norking fowl, Buff, orpington.

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Fowl and Buff Sussex. And that's a big trade in poultry, all going across to London.

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And at the bottom, one of my favorite characters This is the beast that won the Fatstop show in 1,936.

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His name is Han Cross Rover. And he was surprised Sussex bull. I showed this image at a farming talk I did a few years ago.

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And it's always frightening to anyone giving a talk when someone jumps up and says, stop.

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And that this little lady said when I was a small girl Hank Cross rover sun was our breeding bull and I haven't seen him since, 1,938.

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She's a rather nice historic aspect. But we've got this selective breeding given us better strains.

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The poultry from all over Southeast England. Geese and ducks from East Anglia, Turkey is from East Anglia.

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Live stop coming down from the Thames Valley, but also I said from Surrey, Kent and Sussex and it is going to one place to let in full market.

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That new market was the big country market. Originally coming up life. With the railways introduction, you can have dead stock.

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In the home counties and then feed that into London. But it was an enormous trade. Okay, it also generated an industry so Nice stuff's poultry here, the champion white Sussex from 1,940, but they are fed using chicken fattening machines.

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Which were developed specifically for the purpose. And here we've got, town.

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In East Sussex as being the brewery also had the big Phoenix I am works they produced, and particularly in the Midlands and East Anglia and up into Lincolnshire and Yorkshire.

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And in Scotland local firms producing specific bailiffs. Combines various feeding machines.

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Egg production is important, variety of ways, not just for Could, a nice 19 forties map here of Kings Langley in Hertfordshire.

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With the oval Team Egg Farm. Our team was one of these new products produced in 19 in the early twentieth century along with rivita and shredded wheat because they all the adverts said grown in Britain makes Britons and Rye Vita was you know British wheat and barley go to make this British product an oval team similarly.

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It said in on that you can see the extent of the egg farm here, for oval team.

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So the niche market is not going to change things, but it was another aspect to food production.

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Now, not only to where they, selectively breeding for hens and for sheep, cattle and pigs, But wheat production changed dramatically.

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Now I'm going to take you to a very obscure part of the south of England. Down here, this is a eighteenth century map of West Sussex.

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And this is Chidam Peninsula. Yeah, it's right off the beaten track today.

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It's just one road in and one road out. It's very near Chichester, the county town in West Sussex, but Chidham was famous for Chidam white wheat and during the early nineteenth century they produced a strain of wheat here at Cheddar, which is Beautiful grade one rich soil.

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The farmer noticed that his wheat he was growing was mutating to produce multiple heads of wheat. One stem rather than just one ear, he was getting multiple.

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He had the good sense to save those ears and replant and throughout the nineteenth century children, white wheat is listed.

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In farming journals and in newspapers as you know the the crop. To grow. It was a big crop, produced a lot of food as the population was growing.

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That's all important.

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Yeah, I'm gonna leave Sussex and go to Eastern Europe. So an area we've heard a great deal about over the last couple of years, we're going down to Ukraine.

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And this is a 1912 map I love on here where it says the province of the Don Cossacks, but these are places which are bigger than you, that they Crimea, Care Song.

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Kiev during the nineteenth century the big grasslands of southern Russia were being ploughed up for Arab production.

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And by the 1850 s large quantities of East European wheat are coming into Western Europe and pushing down the prices.

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But in the middle of the 1850, SA very obscure war, which we know a little bit more about because part of our culture takes place in the Crimea.

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The siege of Sebastian Pump, the charge of the Light Brigade, Florence Nightingale, things that we remember from school.

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But this cheap wheat is pushing down prices but the Crimean War stops that wheat coming in.

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And so British farmers get a bolster that they don't realize they've got against an agricultural depression.

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10 years later colonists are flooding eastwards from the east coast of North America out into the Great Prairies.

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And with the end of the American Civil War in 1,865, the opening up the prairie lands and huge quantities of wheat are coming in from the West.

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So Britain is poised to be inundated from the east and the west with cheap grain. Okay, and by the 18 seventies this grain is flooding across.

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I initially thought it was coming with the new railways crossing America in 1,868.

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But I've since learned that railways were very expensive way of moving around. Big consciousness of rain.

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The bulk of it either went to Boston in New York and went by sea. Or incredibly went to San Francisco and was sound right down through South America around Cape B, up through the South Atlantic to Western Europe that way.

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But we were flooded with this cheap brain. And the effect of that it just drives grain farmers almost to extinction they just cannot compete.

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And what happens is that Cornland in the south and east of England goes down in value. And farmers from Scotland, Wales and the West of England.

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Moving to the South East to take advantage of that cheap land. And this is the great picture. This is a family of the Cross family.

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Who in the morning of this picture lived in Crewe Kern. In Somerset. When these pictures taken late in the afternoon they are at place called upper beating.

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In West Sussex. About 15 miles from Brighton. And they've moved lock stuck a barrel.

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With all their lives stop all of their kit on the new railway system they've moved into West Sussex.

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Family smooth from the parish I live in which is called Patcham. Was a village on the north side of Brighton.

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In 1,901 there are 5 farms in Patchem, not a single one of them.

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Is owned by anyone born in Sussex. Someone from Cookburyshire, someone from Warwickshire, someone from Dorset, someone got too far away from Surrey and someone else from Devon.

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And they've taken advantage of cheap land to move into the South of Beast and all is going well with them.

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Okay. The sheet numbers boom, this is in the 1930, s at the great cheap fair at Finland in West Sussex.

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It's diminished, some still exist. It's on last week in fact. But this is a great picture show, the sheer amount of sheep coming in.

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So livestock farmers are booming. At the expense of grain funds. The problem is there's a lot of sheep in Australia and New Zealand and all the time they're on the other side of the world.

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That's not a problem for farmers in the South East. Except in 1881. First consignment, the frozen Australian mountain, leaves Sydney.

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And a rights in the London docks. 10 years before that frozen Australian mutton head left Sydney Harper.

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But the freezer ships consistently broke down. And they were rotting carcasses when they get to.

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But in 1,881 It leaves frozen and it arrived in London frozen and so that's the end of exclusivity.

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For meat farming in much of Britain. And meat farming land. Plummets in price as well.

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Freeze the ships come in. We don't, we use empire preference obviously Australia, New Zealand and Canada, but we also own in places like Argentina, Uruguay, Paraguay, Chile, Estancia's owned by British firms.

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Who export frozen South American meat into Britain. So the things we produce. Rain and livestock are plummeting in price.

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Okay. You don't have to look at this picture. This is 1921. Sean is a small port on the south coast very near to Brighton.

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Wasn't very big, you can tell by the telephone number of 75 Shoreham.

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But purveyors of high-class colonial beef. Canterbury button and land.

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This doesn't mean Canterbury in Kent. In the South Island of New Zealand.

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So we're getting this hitting even in agricultural areas they're being hit. Not only is that but New Zealand cheese, New Zealand butter things like this.

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Okay. We produce a lot of fruit, fruit. We saw Evesham and its fruit. Around Cambridge here.

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Essex, Tip 3, Cambridge. 3, fruit farms This is in Kent, it's a lovely orchard in Kent.

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We produce a lot of fruit. But they also produce a lot of fruit around the world. A lot of it in the British Empire.

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Canning, which arrives in the early nineteenth century, allows food to be moved easily from the other side of the world.

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Difficult getting the stuff out of the can. In 1,875 someone managed to invent the tin opener the one we used today many of us and so you could bring in exotic foods from South Africa, Australia.

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Hawaiian pirate apples people don't want Kent apples or Worcestershire plums when they can get these rather very exotic things.

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The government of course has a big hand in all of these policies. British government as a cheap food policy.

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We are a heavily urbanized nation. Urban communities riot and rebel. They don't do this in the UK.

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Oh, from the chances for riots.

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Zapine large we are a peaceful nation. We are well fed on cheap food to the detriment of the farming communities.

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It does help that we own a lot of the world. Lovely old school Atlas actually shows you Australia twice on here but all the pink bits, of us remember from school, this is the British Empire.

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The dominions and they send us raw materials in the way food stuffs, we send them agricultural machinery.

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Okay, and this is where we shop the home and colonial. The international food stores, the Empire Food Stores.

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That's the shopping high streets of the twenties and thirties right the way through into the sixties and seventies.

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We are taking the advantage of this Okay, we produce a lot of eggs in Britain. We set about the egg production particularly in the southeast.

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Those eggs going in the oval teenage farm. But this is Brighton in 1910. And we have 2 big egg dealers in Brighton.

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You see a Lemiere and Monsieur Blondell. Because the French have a very advanced system of poultry production and egg production and the ferry coming from Sherbrooke to Portsmouth.

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To New Haven, belonging to Folkestone, Calais to Dover, come in.

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Just been passengers but with millions of eggs. And the south coast of England. And indeed London. Is flooded with cheap French eggs.

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Brighton is pretty exotic place but Lemiere is exotic Okay. It also helps that we have the world's biggest merchant fleet.

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We have sophisticated docks. We have systems where we can unload ships with steam cranes. We have railway lines which come into the Keysides.

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We have Derboats and barges and tugs to distribute this food on the canal system along the Thames to the railway yards.

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So we can move the food around very readily.

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And you only have to look. Now I do have to admit that I failed by O level maths.

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But even I can work out here from this graph that corn return prices are dropping and dropping and dropping and dropping.

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Here we are, food, imports, and rising, rising, rising. And farm sale prices are going off the cliff.

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In 1,875 it's a good time to bring a British farm. 20 years later, not a good time to be a British farmer.

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This chart starts in night stops in 1,915 this could carry on until the Second World War.

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In a very very similar fashion. In fact plummeting a bit more before the Second World War.

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So bad times for farming. Nineteenth century a period of severe droughts. Which hit farmers series of very very very wet summers.

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Which hit farmers so mother nature is not to get with us. To the extent that it's hising us too hot.

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And then to where and so this is all combining with these sheep imports to force farmers out of business completely.

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That, that, that drops in price. New technology in the way of forced trams, force buses, motor buses, motor cars and now with this new cheap land on the edge of cities to be exploited.

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So this is a huge 1930 s housing state since 1934. And you can push out into accessible farmland which is coming down in price every year.

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Gets to the stage that London transport poster here for across the Colon to Beechy Bucks.

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You is seen as a children's nursery place it. This is a farm set. Here is Bo Peep and her sheep and a spotty dog.

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So farming is no longer man's business, it's what children play within the nursery. Okay, it brings in a series of books.

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This is many of you know the Leftbook Club with the yellow covers. Guess well known the right book club with blue covers.

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Famine in England, tumble down barns, tumble down fences, no crops in the fields.

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Second World War changes that dramatically. We need to produce food. The U-boat campaign is a devastating effect.

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The problem is the land that you grow, the bulk of your arable crops on is perfect for army maneuvers.

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The land that you grow your best Arab crops from in East Anglia. It's gently rolling to flat and is perfect for airfields for our Air Force and after a 1942 the US American air bases.

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Proliferate in East Anglia. So you want to grow more food but the military need a lot of that land for their own purposes.

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We get around that by employing civilian populations, second line job land ahead. Cloud campaign and land army.

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The young lady on this tractor in 1943 was one of my students in education classes. This is Pamela Holt, aged 17 with a beautiful hairstyle driving the tractor.

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And I knew her at the end of her life when she had the same hair style but very very very white hair.

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Beautiful lady and she wonderful stories of being a land girl. British agriculture was coming back in ported American tractors, Canadian tractors.

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American machinery. Government involvement determined we weren't going to go through this again. Okay. When you get through into post war period, there's a lot more intensity in agriculture.

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There's a lot more technology being employed. Farmers are starting to make money. I, again, we go back to regionalization, things like.

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The polytunnels of fruit production. Become a staple part of scenery. You dry up around the British countryside, summer's evening like we've got certainly we've got here in Brighton summer, the fields will be glittering.

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With, the polytunes. Okay. Huge glass houses in Essex in Kent, the biggest glass houses in the world are out of place called Planet, which is North East Kent, Margate Ramsgate, that area.

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Big complexes around. Chichester Harbor. Where they produce the poly bags, know the big the pillow pack salads that are in every supermarket 85% of them are grown within 5 miles of Chichester Market Cross.

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Huge production. Bosom, which many of you, would love in picturesque. Part of the world but this is the center of pillow back production.

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So we've got agricultural working on particular ways. The problem with agriculture now it is Very difficult to get.

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Adequate labour force. Many, if I dare say this these days, indigenous white British people do not want to work in agriculture for a long long time we relied on European labour.

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Do we really need to bring in pastips from Australia? Do we need it to bring in pigeons from Guatemala?

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Thank you Mark Spencer for both of these labels. We bring in food from abroad because we don't have the workforce in many cases to pick it here, okay?

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We were of course part of the European Union. But after Brexit, increasingly difficult. Bicycle, specifically in things like fruit picking, hot picking, which still a lot of that is labour intensive.

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And in salad crop production. I'm very those people who get up very early in the morning and listen to farming today.

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And almost every week there is somewhere on there bemoaning the lack of because I don't want to get any more political than showing you that.

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Okay, thankfully. We do have an outlet. Climate change is affecting British agriculture across southern Britain.

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Big sways the chalk downland in Kent, Surrey, Sussex and Hampshire are being brought up by French wine producers.

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The biggest growth area, certainly in the south of England, is in vineyards. Here is a vineyard.

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The biggest vineyard in Europe. Is not in the Rhine Valley, it is not in Spain, Italy or in the Champagne region, it is on the South Downs between Eastbourne and Sea Ford.

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It's called Ratkini Farm, the biggest single vineyard in Europe. So we've got changes taking place here both in the labour market, the crops we grow and the challenges we have of.

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Of climate change. So look, thank you all very much. I can't have mentioned all the areas that you have lived in or you do live in.

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I've tried to look at it as an international basis. I'm a geographer, I work at scale, so international.

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Down to national down to regional. Down to localities. So I'm going to hand you back to Fiona who's going to take over for the last bit of this.

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Thank you all very much.

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Thanks very much Jeffrey. We'll just go straight to some questions. I don't know if you want to just stop sharing your screen so that we can see you.

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Not's great. Okay. And I've got 2 or 3 questions here. And apologies every day that we've run on slightly but obviously that's because of our little delay at the start.

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No, question from Liz. What effect did the corn laws and their repeal have in agriculture?

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But it had a big impact, called laws for a government. To keep the price of growing high and farmers were very keen to do that.

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It was subsidized grain prices. Just meant that the big cities where the people were congregating, increasing the nineteenth century.

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Food prices bread which was the staple diet of working glasses was bread bread bread more bread to fill you up was ruthlessly expensive.

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And the repeal of the Corn laws meant that you got cheaper grain.

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Okay, hope that answers your question, Liz. And another question from Madeline. She's asking when did American wheat flood into England?

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She had ancestors who worked on the land in Gloucestershire and Wiltshire but they lost their livings.

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And ended up moving to to London. And so kind of roughly when was that?

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Hello.

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Well, maybe after the civil war ends in Once the Civil War ends in in 1,865 there's this big push westwards out into the Great Plains but it's really the that period of the 18 sixties, the 1870, s you start to increasing shipments of wheat coming into Western Europe.

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A lot of it comes in. Into UK we were a wealthy nation and big fleet. And say the effect of that is that it pushes grain prices down relentlessly but people move to take advantage of the different changing economy and they come in from The West of Britain and the north of Britain down to the East Anglia and the South.

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I have yet to do a talk on agriculture anywhere in the south of England where someone at the end doesn't come up and say, my granny, my great granny, my grandfather moved here from and give me a range of places in the west of Britain.

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Okay, interesting. I hope that helps you out, and Madeline. And another question here, from Yvonne.

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So obviously I started throughout the presentation. You've talked a lot about us importing foods in and from other parts of the world.

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When and what foods did we start exporting?

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We export surpluses as they do today. You often get these stories where there's a famine taking place in Eritrea or Ethiopia and you go into Marx suspensors you can buy Eritrean green beans or you know Kenyon flowers.

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It's always happened across the anybody can get food down to a port and get it abroad. We will always been a wealthy agricultural nation and Northern Europe was pretty disorganized.

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It wasn't in the kind of nation states we see today. They did, they had a pessant agriculture.

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We had a very sophisticated agriculture and we were always exporting grain and vegetables, chickens to northern France and the low countries.

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It's always been a 2 way, but for a long time we were doing the exporting.

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Hmm. Okay, interesting. We've got a question here from Cameron. And he's asking about this whole thing around, you know, people in this country not really being drawn towards the agricultural jobs these days.

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Do we, I think what your thoughts on and why that is.

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I think it's the fact that we consider ourselves to be a sophisticated economy. And agriculture accounts for something like half of 1% of the national workforce and in places where it's heavily mechanized like the south of England, East Anglia, it goes to an even tinier percentage than a half a month percent.

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People just aren't drawn towards agriculture. People don't live in rural areas. It's difficult to get from an urban area to an agricultural area.

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And we could have got out of the habit of field work. Whereas without Just making it quite simple. Many people coming in from less sophisticated economies, Romania, Bulgaria, Slovakia, Poland.

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Quite readily adapt to working in fields area. My grandson And in Sounds crazy. In COVID.

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He got this job working on, on farms, in the west of England. He's a jobography graduate.

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He started out as him. And I think that we're kind of 16 other English people and 90 Romanians.

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After one week, he was the only single English person with 90 Romanians. The other sort just left.

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They just couldn't do the work. Because he did very well. And that was picking lettuce in Shropshire.

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Hmm. Okay, I hope that answers your question, Cameron. And we've got one final question, and I think we'll wrap up folks.

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And Question for from Patricia. Do you think we should be safeguarding productive farmland from development?

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That's quite an interesting question.

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Oh, well that's a very big topic, isn't it? Comes in with issues of housing.

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Hmm.

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Often the land that is very good for growing houses is the land that's very much for growing a range of crops.

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And the land which is not good for housing. Steep, so I mounted tops. Are not good for growing crops.

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So you get this clash. And we've just got to be a bit more, this is where I get to annoy people, we've just got to be very have far fewer people in urban areas than they do on the continent.

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If you go to the Netherlands, they seem to get 5 times more people in a city in the Netherlands which is a pretty sophisticated country.

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That we do in the UK. We just demand semidetached houses, gardens backside and front and we don't have the land to do that anymore.

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We've just got to change our planning.

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That put the cat amongst the pigeons.

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Okay, right one final quick question. One final quick question and then we'll wrap up both. And this is from Allen.

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So today, what percentage, this might be a difficult question to answer. What percentage of land feeds animals compared to the percentage that feeds humans directly.

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Okay, 35 years of teaching told me if you don't know what you're talking about say and I do not know the answer to that.

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You go, so you're gonna have to Google that one, I'm afraid.

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Okay, right. Thank you. Thanks again, Jeffrey. That was really interesting.

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And just really interesting to look at farming and food production from all those different angles that we covered there.

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And okay, so I think that's us for today. Thank you very much, Geoffrey.

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Thank you very much Fiona and welcome everyone. I hope you're not sweltering in the heat.

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As we are here in Essex. Anyway, welcome to the talk. I will let you know as I go through the talk when I'm changing slides.

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There's a lot to say about these 2 authors and I've had. Trouble cutting it down really to fit in within the time but questions very welcome at the end because I won't cover anything.

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Everything, Rosa. I will be sharing my screen and I'm going to do that now. So hope that everyone Can see this, okay?

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Great. I hope so anyway. And that's how talk to Victorian novelists, the novelists we're looking at.

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One man, one woman, Mary Elizabeth Braden, Mary Bradden isn't so well known today.

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The author. Novelist is Wilkie Collins. Wilkie Collins, it's fair to say still very popular today.

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Both of them have had their work adapted for BBC TV and for radio. Lots of adaptations and stage.

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Adaptations as well. Just changing my slide now. And, this quote. Was said by Thomas Hardy, famous novelist of Tess of the D'urbervilles and so on and it really applies very much to these 2 novelists.

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Most successful fiction today contains murder. Blackmail, legitimacy. Impersonation multiple secrets suggestions of bigamy and amateur I'm professional detectives.

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Well, all I can say is Wilkie Collins and Mary Bradden's books contain all these and more.

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And some of it came from their own personal lives. So a lot to conjure with there. Right, I'm changing my slide again and here we have pictures of both authors.

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Mary Brighton on the left of course and Collins on the right. Looking quite like a very affable conventional Victorian gentleman.

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Conventional? No, anything but.

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Both of them wrote in the nineteenth century. You can, their gates of birth are on the slide, but Mary Brighton born 1835 lived till 1915 Collins born 1824 he was the older of the 2 and dive in 1889.

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And we'll be looking at each of them in turn. Both wrote what were known as sensation novels and I'll be talking about the definition of sensation novels shortly.

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And as I said, Both their work has been adapted for TV, radio and the stage. Changing my slide again.

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Here we have Mary Brighton. Now both of these authors knew each other. Bye moved in the same literary circles in the nineteenth century.

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They had this lovely expression. Literary lions. Which described authors, famous authors, people like Dickens, Henry James.

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Thackery, Brighton of course. And Wilkie Collins. And yeah literary lines describes them.

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Both were best sellers. Both of them made. Big amounts of money. From their writing.

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At one time, Wilkie Collins was paid even more than Dickens. For his work. So that'll give you an idea of how respected he was and how much money he commanded.

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They were adored by the public. Like most authors in the nineteenth century, initially each of their books was published in magazine format in serial format.

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Mainly in Dickens, magazines, Dickens, as you 2 magazines, all the year round and household words and both of them had their work in all the year round.

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So, every installment would end on a cliffhanger so that everybody rushed out the following week or the following month to buy the next installment and if you were rich of course you didn't queue up you sent your maid or your footman queue up but people would you outside bookshops overnight.

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To be first amongst their circle of friends. To buy the latest copy of the magazine with the latest installment of their books in and of course it then became the thing to say to your friends, oh haven't you read it yet?

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I got my copy yesterday. So, public adores them and they were both highly paid. So what were?

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Sensation novels. How can we just? I quantify what was a sensation novel. Well, they were mainly published in the 1850, s, 1860.

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By about 1870 they begun to become slightly less fashionable. And the plot lines were a mix. Of what was known as Jomestic Fiction.

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Domestic fiction. Was a fiction where the plot was set. In middle and upper-class homes.

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Safe hyphens. Asastians of respectability. Englishman's home is his castle and so on.

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Where you felt safe, you could shut out the outside world. So, safe or were you? Were you safe in your own home?

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Well, the plot lines often centered on the fact that no you weren't safe in your own home because there may be people in your home.

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Relations who have their own agenda. Servants who have a bad intention to ward you. So this was a new and rather startling idea to the Victorians.

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And I really enjoyed these books thoroughly. This domestic fiction was combined with a helping of melodrama and gothic influences.

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So we're talking the supernatural. We're talking the fact that and they were often set in very creepy country houses where there were strange goings on.

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They often involved men and women who had mysterious backgrounds. Pass lives that they kept very quiet although on the surface they appeared the epitome of respectability.

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When you were reading these books. The I of the writers was that if you were sitting in a room on your own and there was a sudden strange noise, you would jump.

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Up in the air. The failing was ice. The feeling of ice. Being pushed down the back of your neck, this shivery failing.

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I'm a feeling of fear and oppression as you read them. Your heart starts to beat faster.

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And the books also included as well as all the things on the hardy quote. Drug taking and fraudulent identity and drug taking was something wealthy Wilkie Collins knew.

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Quite a lot about. They also included theft, often a very valuable objects. The plot lines of these books often reflected what was going on in real life.

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The concerns that the Victorians had about their world. Just to give you a couple of examples of that.

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I think 51 of course was the year of the great exhibition and and people from all over the world.

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Flock to London. To see the great exhibition this fantastic exhibition of art, science and manufacturing.

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And there were great concerns expressed. In the press that people coming from abroad might have dubious intentions.

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And that something very nasty could happen in England because of the number of foreigners that were flocking into London.

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The other concern in the 18 fifties. Was Insanity. There were several high profile cases in the 1850 s of people being wrongly incarcerated.

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In asylums.

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This lady, Mary Elizabeth Braden, who you can see on this slide in an oil painting by the famous painter William Powell Frith.

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A Mary Pratten! Actually brought this in in her work as the Collins. In fact, Collins probably most famous book, The Woman in White, hinges on some poor woman who is locked up in an asylum wrongfully.

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And, her attempts. To, free herself. So it brings aspects of the Victorians concerns into the literature that they're reading.

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Both Collins and Bradden. Were fond of plots containing very strong and independent women. And the kind, Mary Bratton knew all about strong and independent women because of her own.

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Childhood and what happened to our mother, which we'll talk about shortly. It also brought in men and women with dubious paths lives, ladies who seem on the face of it very respectable but hide.

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Their past life. And, that's a particularly famous quote. From one of the books that Wilkie Collins wrote The Moonstone.

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Do you know what a lady is? A lady is a woman in a silk dress. Who has a sense of her own importance.

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Very famous quote, that's been used a lot over the years. So, yes, both of them had slightly troubled pasts.

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And they brought this into their work.

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Sorry that moved. This is Edward Nicholas Braden. Who was or Edward Nicholas Coventry Braden to give him his full name?

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Who was the brother of Mary Elizabeth Broughton? And he at some stage went to Australia did very well for himself and became Premier of Tasmania.

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Now. One of the things that Mary Brighton brings into her work is people who have Gone abroad, not just to Europe.

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Oh no, but long distances away, places like New Zealand, Canada, Australia and she's obviously writing from her own brother's experience.

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So another aspect of her life that she used in her books. This is the theatre in London called the Surrey Theatre.

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It no longer exists anymore. It was in the Blackfriars area of London. And this was really important.

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To Mary Elizabeth Braden or Mary Bradness, I'll call her for short. So she was born in 1835, a very conventional family.

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Father was the solicitor. And she had an older sister and her brother who we've just looked at.

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And all went well until she was about 4 years old. And the counts vary. This an account that her father was.

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In enormous that. Because unfortunately, a real disadvantage for a solicitor, he didn't know the difference between client money and his own money.

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And in time on a tradition he skipped abroad to the continent. And manufactured a new identity for himself.

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Leaving Mrs. Braden. And the 3 children behind him with no visible means of support. And now, account says that the couple split up for a more mundane reason.

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She was having affairs with other women. So, and there's a little bit of uncertainty about so much of Brad and's private life.

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So, Brad and grew up seeing her mother struggle. Becoming a strong independent capable woman. I'm Bradden herself at a very young age some time when she was in her teens.

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Decided to go on the stage. She was a very bright, lively, intelligent child. Fond of stories, loved writing stories, love reading stories or having stories write to her.

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Also very good at singing, dancing and projecting herself. So on the stage she went. She was quite a good actress.

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We're told she never made it to the really big time. But later on in her life she would play down.

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The time she spent as an actress. Because as we know in the nineteenth century it wasn't a particularly respectable career for a young woman, particularly a young middle-class woman.

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So, yeah, her character was formed by watching her mother. And she wanted to earn money for herself to contribute towards the family.

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And their support. So in her book she promotes strong independent women. Toots often flout. Convention as Brighton did herself on many occasions.

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And And here she is. This is a photograph of her. So hopefully a bit more lifelike.

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Than her painting. Photograph taken in about 1858.

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When she was in her twenties she decided she wanted to leave the stage. And she moves into a second career writing short stories initially.

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Now they short stories didn't pay very well, but they were successful. And she then begins to wonder.

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Is there more money to be made if I start to write novels? And there was. And the first novel that was really a huge success for Braden.

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Was published in 18600, sorry, 1861, I should say.

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After initially being serialized in Dickens magazine all the year round. And when the book was published in book form after serialization had ended, the the book was tremendously successful as the serialized installments have been.

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And the title of the book Lady Auldly Sacred. Now interestingly Mary Broughton used part of the Essex.

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Scenery in composing her book. She was staying at Engage Stone Hall in Essex when she had inspiration.

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For the plot line of Lady Audley's secret. And if you read the book today, you won't need me to tell you this is in Gates Stone Hall because if you visited the hole the whole yourself you will know.

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She also in her career became an editor of a magazine and this slide that I've just changed to.

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Is a bound copy of Temple Bar magazine. For January to June, 1874 and Mary Bradden edited.

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This magazine, so she was a busy lady, she's a writer, she's an editor.

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Now being an editor was groundbreaking for a female. In the nineteenth century. Temple Bar? Was described as a magazine for town and country and was very popular in its day, sadly it no longer exists.

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So how many books did Brad and write? Well, at least 70. She wrote a least 70 books.

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That doesn't take into account short stories, articles that she wrote. And she wrote them on any number of different subjects that she thought would appeal.

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In her books, as I've said, she often brings in Caracters who are the victims of parental separation using her own background for that.

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And women struggled. To her money she recognized how difficult in the nineteenth century it was for women to have their own money.

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She flouted convention by living with a married man. When she was in her twenties, she begins living with a very well-known publisher of the day called John Maxwell, an Irishman what living and working in London.

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Brighton incidentally lived in the London area for most of her life. Certainly she was born in London and ended up living at Richmond with John Maxwell.

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John Maxwell was already married. And he had 5 children. By his wife when Braton began living with him and again accounts fairy.

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Some accounts say that the first Mrs. Maxwell, Brad and would like to marry him. The first Missus Maxwell.

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Was incarcerated in a private Asylum in Ireland. Remember what I said about bringing in the concerns of the day.

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Now other accounts say that's not true. Hey, his first wife was actually living in the household when Brad and moved in.

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So they formed this sort of menage at with the 3 of them. So we're not quite sure on that, but what we are sure of is that eventually when the first Mrs. Maxwell died.

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John Maxwell married Mary Braden in the meantime before their marriage. She had 5 children by him. In his original 5 by his first wife.

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Now this was all kept very very quiet. But like Collins, Brad and moved in literary circles and everyone knew that she was living with Maxwell.

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Just changing the side again. Brad and incidentally, supportive women's right, she was always very vocal about supporting women's rights and equality.

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And women's independence, women's right to have their own career to have a job. And of course, a lady, all this secret when it's published in book format is a huge success.

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Makes her lots of money gives you the feeling of ice stripping down the back of your neck.

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And Braden's collection with Essex. Is as I've said, she's stayed at this house on my next side.

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Engage Stone Hall, in Gates Stone in Essex. And she stayed here for a holiday really, it's a holiday retreat for her.

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And she used No, only the interior of the hole, but she used the grounds as well in the book.

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The lime walk which is supposed to be haunted she used that. In Lady Auntly's secret she also used on the next slide the part of the lake.

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In the grounds a very gloomy, secluded part of the grounds and she uses that in Lady,ly secret.

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And there are people thrown into wells and meeting a horrible end. And, yeah, all sorts of melodrama.

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Brockham was also a very accomplished horsewoman. And in the early 19 hundreds she bought herself a motor car.

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So she was quite a spirited and independent lady for her time.

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Joe Maxwell predeceased her. He died in the 1890, s 1895 to be exact.

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And this is his memorial in the church of St. Elizabeth of Portugal in Richmond. In sorry.

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In 1863. Brighton publishes Aurora Floyd. Probably her second most successful book.

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And again, Aurora Floyd is a woman with a past. Secretly married.

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Well, A Braden would be secretly married herself. When the first Mrs. Maxwell passed away, almost exactly a year later, Brighton.

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Married John Maxwell and legitimised her 5 illegitimate children. It was all kept very quiet.

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However, Your Mack's false brother in law actually wrote the newspapers. Exposing the fact that he had finally married the woman who was the mother of his 5 illegitimate children.

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And who he had been living with whilst. He's first wife was still very much alive.

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Now that caused a ripple of scandal. Braden lived till 1915. She actually volunteered to help.

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In hospitals during the First World War, the early part of the First World War. And her death A curved in 1915 as I've said and this slide it's a commemoration plaque in St Mary Magdalene Church, Richmond, Surrey and it reads.

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Sacred to the memory of Miss Brighton, Brackets Mary Elizabeth Maxwell, a writer of rare and refined scholarship who gave profitable and pleasurable literature to countless readers in her library of 3 score and 10.

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Works of fiction.

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Brandon incidentally once referred to Wilkie Collins. As her literary father and that caused a few eyebrows.

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To be raised, I can tell you. Right, we move on with this slide to Wilkie Collins.

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Or to give him his full name, William Wilkie Collins. His father's name was William, so he was always known as Wilkie to distinguish himself from his father.

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He was a fellow sensation fiction author and his work is still very popular today. This photograph of him was taken in Now Collins came from a somewhat unconventional household.

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He's father William Collins was an artist. He's mother was Harriet Gettys.

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And, he had a younger brother. Now, father on the face of it was a

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Quite successful. Victorian painter, exhibited at the Royal Academy, became a, a Royal Academy.

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But never really made the big time as a painter. He tended to paint rather sentimental Victorian pictures of a dead dog, the family pet.

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And birds on trees. Both on unconventional farming, countryside, they're all all very conventional, very Victorian and what people today regard as typically Victorian, nothing really sensational there.

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He's work does not command huge prices. He's conventional painting was combined with the rather conventional household.

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Mother Harrier was deeply, deeply religious. However, she combined this with a complete tolerance of drug taking.

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And the family home was a very bohemian center for anyone involved in the arts and culture of the nineteenth century.

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So Colin screw up in this rather bohemian household. This is Yishun Kaprata.

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Who followed his father. Into becoming a painter. Now today Charles Alston Collins is probably best known not for his painting as such.

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But for his association with the pre Raphaelite Brotherhood. Incidentally, he aspired to be a pre raffle light.

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But they turned him down. They either his work wasn't good enough or there was some other reason why he was turned down.

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Now, Collins, as I've said, was born in London. He lived in and around the Marlebone area.

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So most of his life lived in Harley Street. For part of his life as well. The family traveled abroad with his father so that his father could do sketching and painting.

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Collins went to a private school, was bullied unmercifully at school. When he was about 17, he had to find a career.

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Initially, he wants to follow his father to be a painter, but he was not successful.

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So he turned to working for a tea merchant as clerk. He didn't last long as the clock.

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He then decided he wanted to study lower. And he went to Lincoln's in to study law and in 1851 he was called to the bar as a barrister.

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That knowledge would serve him very well when writing the woman in white, where legal knowledge was needed as the plot line.

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Now the plot of the woman in Y is said to have originated. In the vicinity of the area shown on the slide that I'm on now.

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Finchley Road, Hamstead London. He said to have met a woman very late at night.

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Who was in dire circumstances, fleeing from a man who'd imprisoned and hypnotized her.

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Now, this woman was Caroline Graves. I, and he used this meeting with Caroline Groves who was said to be a widow with one daughter.

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He used This in the plot line of a woman in white, a psychological Terrilla. And I'm John Sutherland, contemporary critic, called it the most sensationalist successful of all the sensation novels.

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This slide has a picture of a modern. Copy of the woman in white. It was a runaway success.

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People loved it. Never out of print. Like Lady Oldley's secret that Brad and wrote, it has never been out of print since it was written and published in 1,860.

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And the next slide shows possibly the woman in white's greatest fan. Please say, well, Prince Albert, Albert Prince Consult.

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Albert read the book he absolutely loved it he sent copies to all his relations in Germany whether they thanked him for it.

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I really do not know.

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Now, Collins just moving on to the next slide, which is a copy of a painting by James Abbott Mcneil Whistler of Whistler's Mother fame.

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Come in to over 30 books, he wrote over a hundred articles he wrote short stories. He wrote over a dozen plays.

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He loved the theater, had a passion for the theater, also wrote essays. And And with Charles Dickens, he produced plays.

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Now the woman in what book? Close an explosion in consumerism. You could spray yourself with woman in white perfume.

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You could buy yourself a woman in white cloak. You could if you wished. By the sheep music for your piano of the woman in White Wolves.

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Consumerism exploded in Victorian England. James Abbott Mcneil Whistler was accused jumping on the bandwagon when he produced his famous painting of 1861 62 the white girl or symphony in white number one

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I'm moving on. The woman in white is still adapted today. Here on this slide we have Michael Crawford.

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In the role of the villain of the woman in white, Count Fosco and if you're wondering why he's got a white mouse crawling down his arm.

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This is part of the plot line. Fostco had a weakness for keeping pet mice.

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Now another plot line that Collins used that ties in with his knowledge of lower. Is. Story of those who have been denied justice by the mechanism of the law.

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Collins was a qualified barrister. He knew that the law It's an always. Doesn't always make the right decision.

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He knew that you don't always get the justice you deserve. So in his books he portrays a people getting justice by their wits.

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By unconventional means. He knew the law. And he knew the drawbacks of the law.

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He once said, The law is the servant of those with a long purse, in other words, those who are rich.

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And this is probably Colin's second most popular book, 1,868, The Moonstone.

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Probably, probably the first detective novel. Sergeant Cuff! Is a character in the Moonstone and Sergeant Cuff was muzzled on a famous Victorian detective, Jonathan or Jack.

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Witcher and some of you might have seen the the BBC drama of a few years ago. On, on the subject of which are the suspicions of Mr. Witcher, you may have seen that.

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Charles Dickens, great friend, great friend of, Collins. They knew each other from about 1850.

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They kept each other's Yeah, little secrets. Dickens had plenty of secrets. Collins had plenty of secrets and they both were very discreet.

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When Dickens died in 1870, he's death. Absolutely devastated Collins.

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Now, I mentioned Caroline Graves and how she was important to the plot of the woman in white.

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Caroline Graves became part of Wilkie Collins secret life. Her background is still shrouded in mystery.

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She presented herself as a woman. Oh, had been widowed. With one daughter. Many, biographers of Collins don't believe that.

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They believed that she was still married to her first husband, Mr. Graves, when she contracted a second marriage to a gentleman called Mr. Joseph Clowe.

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It's interesting that she and Collins began to live together. Collins, it said, refused to marry her.

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And when it became clear he wouldn't marry her, she took off and married Mr. Clowe.

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However, off 2 years she came back. Leaving Mr. Clowe, was Mr. Clow dead or was the second?

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Husband abandoned like the first husband. And some biographers of Collins have said this is the reason why Collins refused to marry Caroline Graves because she suspected that her first husband, Mr. Graves, was still alive.

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So yeah, famous detectives, and the law. Colin springs this in to his work.

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He got a lot of information from Dickens because Dickens was very interested in the work of the new Plain clothes branch of the Met Police.

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Metropolitan Police established in 1829. But the playing clothes are detective branch not established through 1842.

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And Dickens got a lot of his plot lines from talking to detectives.

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When Caroline Graves, I've just changed the side and we're now looking at the second lady in Collins, a private life, Martha Rudd.

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When? Caroline Graves left. Colleagues and briefly for 2 years was said to be married to Mr. Clowe.

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What she didn't know was that in those 2 years he took up with another lady. Martha Rudd, Martha Rudd, was a humble Kitchen servant.

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Said she could neither read nor write. And it was very unusual for middle-class gentlemen. To contemplate setting up and living with a former domestic servant.

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They might have a galliance but they very often Didn't let it go any further than that.

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Collins set up Caroline Graves in one house, Martha Rudd in another house. I'm with Martha Rad he went on to have 3 children Marian Harriet and William William was always known by his middle name, Charlie.

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And he invented this fictitious name for them, Dawson. So they were known as Mr. And Mrs. Dawson and each of the children were given Dawson as a last name.

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Collins refused to marry either lady. Lots of speculation over this. Was it because his mother was very traditional about the church.

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I'm, he therefore believed that marriage was just a piece of paper. He didn't need it.

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Or was it witnessing? The vitriolic breakdown of the marriage of Charles and Catherine Dickens.

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I tend to think it was watching their marriage breakdown that caused it. Now, Collins loved Ramsgate in Kent and I've just changed the slide to a picture of Ramsgate.

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You may recognize it if you're a regular visitor. This is one of the locations where Collins pursued his double life.

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Every year he spent at least one holiday in Ramsgate and he would install Martha route in one house with the children.

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He would take a second house and install Sorry, Caroline Graves in the second house. And then he would spend the holiday scooting between the toe.

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There is no evidence that the women knew of each other until after Colin's death. Now I mentioned Collins was born in Marlborough, lived in the London area, part of his life he lived in Harley Street.

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This slide. Is a picture of some of the buildings in Harley Street. I think that if Collins haunts anywhere he haunts Harley straight He would love what goes on in Harley Street.

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Changing their identity, changing their appearance very much in keeping with his plots. Where people alter their appearance in all sorts of weird and wacky ways.

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And I think Harley Street, he would just love it.

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Collins suffered all his life from ill health although he concealed it quite well. He suffered from gout.

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And took industrial quantities of drugs. Huge quantities of drugs. And as the drugs began to take effect, his book started to get more and more bizarre the plot lines.

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But nevertheless, they're still sold because they were written by Wilkie Collins.

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He spent an enormous amount of money, he loved wine, he loved good food, he dressed flamboyantly, he loved traveling a book abroad, he loved socializing.

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The public adored him. They didn't know about his private life. When he died in 1889 he died from a stroke.

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There was universal morning. He left strict instructions no more than 25 pounds to be spent on my funeral.

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And his reputation. Had begun to leak into the public arena. And the the side I have on at the moment is Lady Euthemia Millay or Effie Millay, formerly Effie Gray who was married to John Everett Millay.

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The painter. She was a great friend of Collins but she decided not to attend his funeral because of the prevailing gossip.

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So some people stayed away. We're told she sent an empty coach. To the funeral. Of course, after his death, his private life would become linked into the public arena.

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Oh, it's left instructions that He's choice would be. To be buried with Caroline Graves.

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Caroline! Survived him, she survived him till the 18 nineties. And, Martha Rad survived him till 1919.

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But it was Caroline who was buried with him. And this slide is a picture of his grave. In Kensal Green Cemetery in West London.

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So yeah, Was a Berry Gaussian on her own and usually there are flowers on the grave because he's still so enormously popular today.

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Just a couple of things to finish with. Fackery, William Makepiece, Zachary, author of Vanity Fair.

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Once declared he had sat up all night. Finish off the woman in white. It was such a nail biter, he couldn't.

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Stop reading it. Gladstone! The Prime Minister once cancelled a very important engagement. So that he could carry on reading the woman in white.

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And nearer our own times, TS Eliot. Once commented, Read Wokie Collins, not Edgar Allan Poe.

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Wilkie Collins started the whole genre. I, Alan, don't bother.

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Just read Wilkie Collins. Wokey Collins is said to have had an enormous influence on HG Wells.

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As well. So I will finish on that at that point and I will come back.

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Thank you very much. And Margaret, I don't know if you want to stop here. There we go.

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I will stop sharing and return.

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We can see you properly now.

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There were questions very welcome.

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Yeah, and we've got one so far. Everybody, if you want to pop your questions in, we'll take a look at those.

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We've got a question here from, do, do we know, where the house is where in Ramsgate, where, Wilkie Collins have installed these ladies as she grew up in Ramsgate, so she very interested to know.

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Cool. Right question, I must confess I don't know Ramsgate well. Oh we know is the description that Collins gave to Dickens and Dickens being a bit of a chatterbox let the cat out of the bag.

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Ramsgate has a bay. Caroline was in a house at one end of the bay.

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Martha was in a house at the other end of the bay. And that's, I'm really sorry, I'm, that's as precise as I can be.

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Hmm. Okay, well I hope that helps you out a little bit, I know. Okay.

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Thanks, Amal.

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We've got, we've got another, it's not such a question, but, a comment that you, you might have some thoughts on.

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This is from Denise. Mary, Mary Braden also had a second home in the new forest.

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Near near lintest they were thought of as celebrities in the area and her only novel set there was vixen.

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I don't know if you can say You have any thoughts on that particular book?

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No, I confess,ixon I haven't read. I've read a lot of, but I haven't read all of it by any means and that's one I haven't read.

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Okay, that could be next on your list.

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So that's It's on my to-do list. Thank you. Thank you for that.

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Yeah.

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I will I will make sure it's on the to do's.

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And okay, we've got another question here from Miranda. Can you remind us who the brother in law was that you mentioned earlier who told the press about the manage.

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Tells a little bit more.

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Yes, unfortunately I don't know his name. But he was very vocal in writing to the press.

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To say that you know John Maxwell wasn't the nice man. And the very well respected publisher that he presented himself as.

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Bear in mind in the nineteenth century, publishers were the celebrities. Of their day. They were personalities.

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Who and he wrote to the press and said, look, he's not a nice man. He was living with Mary Bradley.

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Actually, 9 names. She was living with Mary Braden and his first wife was still very much alive.

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And he's a CAD, he's a bounder.

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Hmm.

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So, yeah, I, one of these days I will have to do some work in looking back back copies of newspapers.

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Round about. I'm 1860 ish. And see if I can find. Any information about the letters that he wrote?

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To the price.

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And just another supplementary sort of question from Jen. How did they had a row? That might have prompted that actually.

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No! No, no, a not that we know of. Not that we know of. However, nineteenth century publishers are I've said they were the celebs.

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Of the dye, you know, if there was okay and hello magazine, they would have been in it every week.

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People like George Smear, John Maxwell and John Murray. They were the big guns in publishing.

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It was a cut throat. Industry. Publishers were not known for being Shall we say, always very nice people.

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They poached each other's authors, a mercifully, they would entice and one author away from another publisher.

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And then after they got what they wanted out of the author, they would say, right, well, I don't want your books anymore.

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Don't bother, you know, coming to me to publish your book. I'm not interested anymore.

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That it was known as a really cutthroat trade. Chomari in particular was known as quite ruthless.

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In fact, very ruthless. He published books by, Benjamin Disraeli.

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And he perceived that Benjamin Disraeli I've done him wrong in some way. And he told Disraeli I am going to ruin you.

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So, I think we need to bear in mind that, you know, in publishing it was very much a A trade where they weren't known for their softness and sympathy and kindness.

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They were ruthless men.

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Hmm. Hmm, okay. Right, what else would we got for you with Margaret? And I can, more of a comment really from Carolyn.

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And despair of the morals of so called eminent Victorians. But will press the painter you mentioned, had a menagerie trio and hired he was horrible to his first wife were there some good guys I hope so.

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Okay.

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Well, I mean George Smith, a very well-known Victorian publisher, very famous Victorian publisher.

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He published the Bronte. But show up one day's work. And she led a blameless life.

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But most of them, I, I have, I'm gonna sound awful now, but a lot of the male authors had a pass,ackery.

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Had a past dick Kings? Most certainly. Had things in his private life. That I mean Collins would have known all about Dick in separation from his wife Katherine.

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He would have known all about Dickens relationship with Ellen Turner.

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Andackery, his wife. Was an in an asylum. Now rich material there! For Collins?

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You know, all this concern about people being wrongly incarcerated. And while she was in the asylum,ackery was having an affair with his daughter's governess.

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Hmm.

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So, you know, a lot of them had backgrounds. That were kept, it was much easier then.

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I mean today you've got social media, they'd never get away with it today. But of course in the nineteenth century they were able to keep their private lives very much under act.

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Okay. Right. Let's see. We've got a few minutes to go.

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No. Oh no, Am I was saying that apparently Wilkie Collins stayed with Martha Raddatz, 14 Nelson Present.

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Thank you very much, Amal. Thank you. I know that when they first met and, I think they began living together shortly afterwards.

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Martha was 19. Collins was faulty too.

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And of course, when if eventually the story was You know, it was out there in the public domain.

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That you know that was very much frowned on and the but strangely more people were critical of the fact that she'd been a kitchen maid.

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You know, there was this snobbery. Oh! Good he associate with the kitchen maid?

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Okay, Hmm.

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Hey, there was this awful. Sort of snobbery that perhaps we might think was not unusual in the nineteenth century, you know.

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You, you know, you might have a little bit of a dalliance with the kitchen, but you don't set them up.

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And a house. You just don't do that, but he did. Collins, incidentally, you'd be hard poor.

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Find a biographer that's got a bad word to say about Collins. By all intents, bi, accounts that we have.

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He was a friendly affable. Man and he once said to his friends I have no pride and they all burst out laughing and he said no no you don't understand what I mean He said, what I mean is.

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I just happened to write books. Every man has his occupation. I just happened to write books. That doesn't make me any better than you.

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So, yeah, he was a modest man. He loved the public. And if you met him in the street and you said, oh are you Wilkie Collins?

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He is the last person you would expect to say. Don't you know who I am? There was no snobbery.

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He wouldn't walk to the front of the queue because hey, I'm Wilkie Collins.

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He was, you know, he was a very modest, low-key man.

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Okay, right, we've got some more questions here. Let me just scroll here.

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I guess, that we're talking about here, and Jill is asking, does this foreshadow the current dilemma about people's achievements versus their personal lives.

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Suppose we see that quite a lot in the The places.

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Yeah, I, yeah, I, Jill, I think that is still very much current, isn't it?

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People say, oh well, you know, I think that is still very much current, isn't it?

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Hmm.

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People say, oh well, you know, I used to like him or her until I found out. What ever I mean everyone will make that judgment for themselves but yes, I mean, I can imagine that a lot of their, of Braden and Collins fans if I can use that expression.

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Felt very let down. When it became current gossip. About their private lives.

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And and they you know they they were a bit scandalized it's even said The Braton and Maxwell servants when it was discovered.

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That, they live together before they actually finally made it to the altar and got married. And the servants gave notice.

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Because they didn't want. Anyone to know that lived in an immoral house.

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So yeah. I mean, you know, it's, it is interesting. People, other people will say, well, he's personal life.

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Her personal life has no bearing on other things. But in the nineteenth century, yeah, you, I think it's fair to say you would be charged on your personal life and your respectability.

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Okay, right, I think we've got another couple of questions and then I think we'll need to wrap things up, folks.

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Okay.

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Question from David. I wonder if you could maybe talk a little bit more about how close Collins and Dickens were.

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Apparently there's a blue plaque outside. A hotel in Cumberland saying that Charles Dickens and Wilkie Collins stayed there.

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Did they travel together? Did they write together? Well.

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They did. They traveled together, they wrote together, they discussed plot lines together and they produce plays together.

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They produced their most famous play that they collaborated on was The Frozen Deep. Which is about an unsuccessful polar expedition.

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Now, that was attended on the first night by Queen Victoria Prince Albert. And King Leopold of the Belgians.

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Victoria and Albert, as you may know, were first cousins, so they shared an uncle. They shared King Leopold of the Belgians as their uncle.

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And apparently the plague was so moving. The first Queen Victoria burst into tears, then Prince Albert burst into tears and finally King Leopold burst into tears and the 3 of them to quote the newspaper article.

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Soaked themselves speechless.

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So yeah, you're absolutely right. They collaborated. They were great friends. Dickens Mentored Collins and Collins gave it advice and we know from his letters to Dickens.

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That he often gave Dickens advice. On all sorts of things. No, not only his books.

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But Dickens certainly helped Collins out because Dickens was so friendly. With the detective branch of the Metropolitan Police and he would gather all these wonderful stories, he would buy them drinks in the pub.

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After they were off duty. And he would pass on. Some of the stories to Collins. Uncollins would use them in his books because the public were fascinated.

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By the detective branch these plain close officers who mingled with the public.

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So, yeah, they, they were very, very close. And it's fair to say that Collins was devastated when Dickens died in 1870 only 2 years after Collins mother had died in 1,868 so it was a sort of double blow in a way.

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Okay, well I hope that answers your questions, David. We're gonna take one more question and then we're going to wrap things up.

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Yeah, thank you, David.

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And this question, question from Felicity. In fact, I've got another very quick question after that as well.

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But, this is from Felicity. And did he leave the mother of his children financially secure when he passed away?

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He did leave money for both Caroline . One Martha and particularly for Martha because she had his 3 children.

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To bring up. But I have to say that Collins went through money. Very very quickly.

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She was a lavish spender. He enjoyed high life. Enjoy good living. Love could wine, love good food, loved eating out in restaurants, travel extensively.

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Both in the UK and abroad, sometimes with Dickens, sometimes on his own, sometimes with others. But yeah, he certainly spent a lot of money.

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But then he earned a lot of money as well.

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Okay, and one final very quick one from Janet. What book would you recommend for a bit club?

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From the

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I would recommend As far as Collins is concerned, got to be the woman in white and And or the moonstone.

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Brilliant books, both of them. Broughton. Got to be the 2 I mentioned, I guess.

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Lady Audley's secret is a must. Particularly if you're an Essex person, when you read it, you will say this sounds like, in Gates Stonehole.

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It is Engage Stonehole. And she used Ingate Stone Hall as the fictional setting for the book.

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And the second one's got to be Aurora Floyd. Quite convoluted, but Aurora Floyd is a strong independent woman with a past.

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Okay, thank you very much Margaret. Colorful lives these 2 people and Really interesting to learn a little bit about their lives shaping their art basically.

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So thanks very much for that and I hope everybody enjoyed that out there.

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Hello, I hope you can all hear me and see my first slide which is The green title, hominid evolution.

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The origin of modern humans. So I'm using the term modern humans to mean. Homo sapiens, although other people use that term to mean other HOMO species as well.

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But for the purposes of this talk, home, modern humans are homo sapiens. So let's get going.

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Oops, I'm sorry I jumped a slide. So, the kinds of questions that people invariably want to know.

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What is a human? No, I, this is a question close to my heart because as a third year undergraduate I was taking a philosophy exam.

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And the question, the one question on the paper, there was only one. And it said an alien lands on earth.

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And asks what you what you call yourselves and you reply we are humans. And then it said and you have the next 3 h to explain to an alien what a human is which i did and i remember at the end of the 3 h thinking i need more time because I couldn't get it all down.

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Which is where the fascination for evolution comes. You, you know, there are so many levels at which you could answer the question, aren't there?

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Now you could go for physicality or skeletal form or muscle process but what about cognition and thought and social behaviour you could go on forever in in fact.

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So what's a human? Very. Could spend a very long time on that one. What's a hominid?

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Again. We'll come to this, within the slides. But how many it's a human like?

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That's what hominid means, human like. So what were early hominids like?

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And we have some notion from things like fossil remains and tool remains and things and evidence of fire and dwellings and things like that.

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Depictions of early humans. I've chosen this picture on purpose. Sorry. Because the depiction that people mostly come up with is the sort of ape like and hairy, always hairy.

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Which is interesting because How many I haven't really ever been that hairy. It's an odd.

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Folk miss really and homo sapiens is the least hairy hominid of all.

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And thus why we're often known as the naked ape because we have very little hair.

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So how long have we had hominids? On Earth. It's again a difficult question that one because we have gaps in our evidence.

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Millions of years we know that but how many millions of years. Is getting answered slowly actually, but but it's a difficult task.

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Where and when did we? Come from, where do we originate? As an actual homo sapiens that the the human that we know today.

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I think we mostly know where. Where they originate. But it's when it's always the tricky question there.

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And how have we changed? We have some really lovely fossil evidence to work on. That tells us lots and lots and lots, especially now that we can map the human genome.

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We can look at. Dna that's, and you know, occasionally you can derive some DNA from very ancient bones, which is almost a magical.

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Since we've been able to map genomes. And how do we come to populate the entire Earth?

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Homo sapiens, there are, you know, billions of us. Everywhere, every continent.

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So how did that happen? So, These are very big questions. That people are often interested in and I have a very short time in which to try and answer.

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Some of them. So I'll do the best that I can, but it will be, you know a quick answer to those questions.

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So what's the hominid? So homonage means human like, okay. So any species which is human-like.

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Is a It's bipedal what walks on 2 legs. Always walks on 2 legs that means doesn't sometimes walk on 4 and occasionally stand up.

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Treatly bipedal means that the animal never walks on 4, only has 2 feet and 2 hands.

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How many are intelligent? Now we know this from the the size of the skull. And the marks within skulls that show you where the attachments.

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Brain and you know the membrane and the fluid and so on in the head as being so we know that hominids have large brains.

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And we know that that the brain-to-body ratio on the whole tells you how intelligent an animal is.

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So for example, you probably know giant time Tyrannosaurus Rex had a quite tiny brain.

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So the brain to body ratio there. Very different to the brain body ratio of a hominid. Who, who's brains huge in comparison?

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Really? Yeah. Okay, excuse me. So they've been at least a dozen.

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Species of hominid in the last 5 million years, at least a dozen we say because we have some strong evidence for a dozen and some not quite so strong evidence for some others.

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There are big gaps in the data in the evidence that we have. So the best that we can say at the moment.

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Is there have been at least a dozen in the last 5 million years. A 1 million years in evolutionary terms is not very long.

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A 1 million years in evolutionary terms is not very long. A 1 million years in evolutionary terms is not very long.

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Because evolutionary processes are very slow. And evolutionary time is enormous. We're talking millions and millions of years.

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So 5 million years is relative drop in time in evolutionary terms so for that to have been at least a dozen in that time, shows a rapid progression, a rapid, relatively rapid evolution.

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And lots of change. In the species. Other animal species have not had so many versions, if you like, not in the last 5 million years, some have.

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But, a lot of animals, have remained fairly similar to how they were 10 million years ago, but not the hominids.

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So homo sapiens, is, means thinking man. Hello, means man.

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And more correctly, we should be saying human. But Hi, is chosen as the the word to describe man a long time ago and it ought to be human now for political quickness really.

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But homo sapiens thinking man or thinking human as I prefer to say. The only X stant that means still living.

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Species of homeland left on Earth. So where did they all go? So if you have a look at, if I just move your some nails over a little bit so I can see the slide.

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If you have a look at some of the images of hominids. You can see there are a lot of similarities in the body type.

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And the movement as well. And you'll see, on the right hand side.

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Standing more upright perhaps than the others. But the others are all pretty upright too the others.

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So we've got Australopithecus. Afarensis. And then, that means, handyman.

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I beless made tools. The first. The first that we have proper evidence for who is truly erect, truly straight standing.

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And then we know a little bit, don't mean most people know a little bit about HOME, sorry, these are all related very closely to homo sapiens.

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The difference in our genetic makeup is is tiny. Between the Homo species. If I give you an idea down here, I've got a picture of our family tree as it were the Sylogenetic, little bit of the phylogenetic tree.

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And right at the bottom there, it's a tiny picture. But this yellow box at the bottom is our ancestral primate.

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So all of the animals in this diagram are related to the ancestral primate. So we've got lemurs and tasiers.

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New and old world monkeys. Gibbons, Orangutans, gorillas, chimpanzees and humans.

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Now you'll see, if you can understand the branching. Diagram. That our closest living relative there is the chimpanzee next to us.

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Then the gorilla, then the orangutan. And then the given and so on to the left.

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And the genetic difference between us one of the species of chimpanzee which is extant the bonobo chimpanzee.

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Is about 97 and a half percent the same. That's how similar we are.

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To pan paneschis the pygmy chimpanzee as some people say. And our relatedness to these.

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Homo species in the time above would have been closer. So we would have shared much more genetic material than 97 and a half.

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97 and a half is is quite a lot isn't it but we would have had more in common.

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If those are homo species above. So.

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We are related to all of these species by an ancestral primate. Of about 60 million years ago.

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So 60 million years ago. An ancestral primate. Diversified, if you like, into these groups which are extant today.

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Over evolutionary time very slowly. Undertaking probably around 60,060,000,000 years to do so.

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So, evolution's often. No, not in a hurry. It's often very slow.

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So all species of hominid human-like. That means remember. more closely related to humans than chimpanzees as I've just said.

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So they are our direct ancestors closer to us. Chimpanzees and we split from chimpanzees some you know many millions of years ago.

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And the, come in between. The chimps and us. It's just that they're not on that diagram, they're no longer.

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Alive that they're extinct as opposed to extent. So you've got these major.

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Groups, Australia, Python, you'll have heard of some of these. Paranthrops us.

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Which is not easy. And the homemade genus. Of which, you know, there have been many.

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In the we know from various kinds of evidence that several hominid species lived at the same time.

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So we lived on Earth. Several 100 species lived on earth together at the same time. And it's only relatively recently.

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That we've only been left with the homo sapiens. In evolutionary terms it's relatively recent just to have the one homo species on earth.

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So. The gorillas, chimps, the other, great apes as they're called, where humans are a great ape.

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But there's a bit of a divide obviously between humans and the other great apes. Split about 6 to 8 MY A's 1 million years ago.

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Again, 6 to 8 million years ago is not a huge amount of time in evolutionary terms.

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So if we look at how many generations that is, that it's usually worked out. That every 25 years a generation passes.

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And that gives us about 320,000 generations of go. So if I don't know if that helps you to sort of visualize how how much time or how many.

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Generations of the species that is, but I think it kind of helps me to visualize how, far back that is.

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Strong natural selection, our natural selection will favor. Anything that adds a benefit in terms of survival or a benefit in terms of reproduction.

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Or a benefit in terms of fertility or something, you know, things like that. So evolution will work on whatever is present at the time and if anything offers a benefit to survive it will be strongly selected by evolution.

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I'm making evolution sound like an entity, it's not, it's a process. But, Obviously, there are, you know, changes, genetic mutations all the time.

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They happen all the time. Some of them are good. You know, they may help you survive. Some of them, neutral.

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They, don't. Harm you but they don't help you survive either. And some of them are negative, which means they give you a in inherited disease or life-threatening condition or an inability to cope with something.

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In survival terms and so those babies, children, young people tend to die out. And it's the the people with the genes that actually help them to stay alive or reproduce have more children have more success in reproductive terms than others that obviously pass on their genes.

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So strong natural selection means a lot of you know harsh conditions killing off a lot of Homo, Species, a lot of Homo individuals not making it beyond infancy.

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And my daughter said to me the other day she's studying anthropology and she said you know that all of the innovations of Neanderthals were made by people about 18 years old.

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And I did know that but when you put it that way you think correct goodness all the all the things that were passed on to homo sapiens from the Neanderthals were passed on by teenagers.

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Because there are no real, there's no real evidence for many Neanderthals living beyond teenage years.

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Imagine if all our knowledge was reliant on teenagers. They had to pass on everything it would be a different different matter.

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So, 320,000 generations ago. We became humans if you like. Okay.

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Now, we have to. What has happened in that time. As I said, it's not a huge amount of evolutionary time.

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But a lot has happened in the evolution of homo species has been compared to other species has been extremely rapid.

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Really in many ways. And one of the main things has been a chromosome change. So the other living hominids today have 48 chromosomes.

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But humans, we suspect other hominids but we only know about humans at the moment. Have 46.

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Now we know that we all came from a common ancestor, which would have been here on the diagram.

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This is where our common ancestor would have. Pictured if we knew what it looked like but we don't really.

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So 2 chromosomes are fused together. Into human chromosome number 2 and it's the largest chromosome because it is formed off to ancestral chromosomes.

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And the change happened.

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After our last common ancestor with the chimpanzee lineage. Just think about it for a moment.

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What do we understand about Kramer same changes? Well they can change in chromosome a mutation in a crane the same is very very common it happens all the time but some of them can be absolutely catastrophic.

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And fatal so that some crane the same anomalies or abnormalities you might call them will cause the death of.

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An infant in pregnancy won't even be born. Because the chromosomes too different, too damaged.

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But lots and lots of chromosome mutations happen. They chromosome mutations will give us all you know possibility of different colored eyes for example.

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You could inherit. Some resistance to a disease, Kramer Somali. And there are people in the world who are resistant to things like malaria because they've inherited.

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A version of a Chrome the same which which gives them some resistance. There are some people who are resistant to.

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The AIDS virus in the same way. Cream same, inherited. Chromosome mutations come in 4 forms.

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I've written them down so I don't forget either. So they can be deletions where a chromosome lost.

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Now they're usually fatal. That, infant does not usually they could be translocations so they move.

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The change position. They can be duplications so you get another copy of a chromosome or they can be inversions where the crane is same.

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Changes, fall. Excuse me. So for example, an extra copy of, yeah, so a duplication therefore of chromosome 21 causes Down syndrome.

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That's one, you know, that we would be familiar with. We understand how that works. There are other mutations which which allow things like lactose tolerance.

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So humans, homo sapiens have lactose tolerance. A lot of other homelands do not have it, but, human, human sapiens has it.

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Inherited from Neanderthals.

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And we might be resistant to diseases we don't even yet know about possibly. Sometimes you don't find these things out until the disease comes along.

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So there are probably my best guests would be there were probably some people out there who were assistant to COVID.

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From chromosomal mutation. So The Kramer same anomaly as it's known that that you know that of the hominids have 48 and the hominids we assume and we know for sure humans have 46 is very very significant.

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The it will have changed. So many things and it's one of the reasons why the change in homemade species has been so rapid.

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Because of the, fusion of those. Ape chromosomes into a large human chromosome.

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That's so just the background sort of notion of why the change has been so relatively rapid in the evolutionary terms and also so It's such enormous change, you know, such huge amounts of change.

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So you see there the orangutan gorilla chimpanzee, 48 chimpanzees.

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Only the human that we can, as 46 and we assume the other home and it's also had 46 because we're very close related.

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To them much closer than we are to the chimpanzee. So very significant. The Kramer same difference.

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Now this is. Skeletal remains, of an individual who's been called Lucy.

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She was discovered in Ethiopia in 1974. She's about 3 million years old and possibly a bit older, maybe 3 and a half.

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More recent data. It's very hard to keep up with the data and the evolutionary. Things because as we get better at reading genomes and so on, dates change all the time.

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What's remarkable about Lucy is that 40% of her skeleton was found. Now in terms of find, you know, a fossil find or, you know, a skeletal fine.

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That's a very large amount of material. 40% of her is more than we have of anybody else.

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And you can see from the diagram to the left. Which bits of her? We're preserved, you know, what's all found.

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So quite a large amount of the skull. And the Pelvis. And then one of the legs and both arms.

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So importantly what we get from this is a notion of things like how big her long capacity was from the ribs.

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How did she walk? Because we have the pelvis there so we can see where the hip, attachment is.

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And the whether muscle processes. Where there's leave little marks on the bones where the muscles have been.

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So you can you can reconstruct where the muscles have attached and so on, which is how we get these artists impressions.

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They're not made up, they're based on hard evidence. And they're based on you know, that the thickness of the bones and things.

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So you can see that Lucy is sort of a chunky animal. Chunky Pommed.

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And you'll see Good muscle tone or good sized muscles there in the arms. And in the thighs.

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And. A human like head and face. A little bit more ape-like perhaps than human-like.

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But very recognisably hominid, I think. And all of this we can see from the skeleton, so it's an amazing find.

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So. You know, a gift if you like in terms of reconstructing a homo species.

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We know for sure she was bipedal because of the way the head, the spine joins the head.

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So if you think about, an animal that walks on all fours called quadripeedally.

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Like a dog, let's say. Think about where the spine goes into the head. It's at the back, isn't it?

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Whereas on a, a bipedal animal, it's underneath, it's at the base.

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It's an absolute. Definitive piece of evidence that she will come to legs. So she is an Australopithecus afarensis.

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She is one of our distant ancestors. And she's not so different. To us.

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And her DNA is not so different. To us either. You would. If we could, you know, meet her somehow, I think we would recognize her.

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A hominid species. We would see the similarities. With ourselves.

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So. Who are the first hominids? So we have quite a lot of gaps in the evidence, so we still aren't.

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Definitively able to say.

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Where who or what the first homeland was. But we do have fossil fragments from 5 million years ago.

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And so we have We are able to make what you might call very intelligent guesses about what the gaps may tell us if we ever find them, ever find them more fossils.

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More fossils being found all the time. So it is something to keep up with. You know, it is something to keep checking in on as more data comes in.

00:28:01.000 --> 00:28:05.000
Our understanding improves all the time. Is one of the most rapidly changing areas of study for humans.

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And when did homo sapiens appear? You know when did We move on from Neanderthalensis, but when Neanderthals died out.

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You know, how long had homo sapiens been on earth with them? We know that we live together with them.

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We found fossils of the same age. The family Sapiens and Neanderthalances, but how long had homo sapiens been there?

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Is it is a difficult question. But we have to assume that they had been there quite some time.

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Before, all the other homo species died out. Because the reason that homo sapiens it's such a dominant or as a dominant home a species it will come to soon.

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Reliant on the fact that they live with other homo species.

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So let's just have a quick look. Is a very brief look because. Again, you could do an entire talk just on these, you know, individual species.

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There were several species in the genus Homo before homo sapiens. We don't know how many.

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And there will be some that we have never found evidence for. Almost certainly and hopefully that evidence will come at some point.

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So the oldest fossil that we have. Sorry, the earliest fossil that we have is Homo, Habelis, handyman.

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2.3 million years, okay, a drop in the ocean in evolutionary time. Call him handyman because we, also found some tools, simple tools.

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Not. Highly sophisticated but well used. Tools. Pieces of bone or shaped stone.

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Perhaps not carved into the right shape, but. But they you know perhaps would have found a stone that was already the right shape and used it well.

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Or smashed a bone and used the sharp edge that was created. Rather than carving a knife, they just use things that were naturally sharp, if you like, as knives.

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So there's a difference between tool making. Tool use because lots of several species of animal today will use very simple tools but they don't tend to make them.

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Accepting a couple of exceptions. With with some corvids and various bird species.

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So, homo hubilis would have looked something like this. And again, this is not.

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Made up it's based on hard evidence. So, HOMO, Hibilis is quite hairy.

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I think there's me saying then, you know, have not been that hairy. Evidence would suggest, was quite hairy but not as hairy as the ape species are today.

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So for whatever reason, Homo species have not been the hairiest creatures in evolutionary terms.

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Probably because they had the intelligence to get out of the cold. Or make clothes or you know do things that meant they didn't they wouldn't rely on to unfair to stay warm and protected.

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And Homo erectus, the the first time my species to stand perfectly erect perfectly.

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Upright. Now we know HOME, Erectus was a toolmaker, not just a tool user.

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Because from Homo erectus, finds. We see the carefully. Carved and flint napped.

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Tools that that we're familiar with from museums and things. Carefully selected stones. Carefully worked into the correct shapes or required shapes and so on.

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And we also know from the finds that they used fire. And this must have been a very significant.

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Thing, the ability to use fire. You think, you know, what's fire good for it?

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Well, it keeps predators away for one thing. Keeps you warm. You can make inedible food.

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Edible by cooking it on a fire or putting it at the edge of the fire. So hard, hard feeds can be softened with heat and so on.

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So you just have more foods available to you. More protection from predators. You wouldn't be so cold in the winter and so on.

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You know, for example, if you put If you kill an animal and you eat all the meat off it and it's really difficult to get the marrow out of the bones.

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But if you put the bones in a fire and they become brittle. Then you can smash them and get the marrow out and eat that as well.

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So it would have almost doubled the food that you got from an animal. Just being able to get the marrow from the bones.

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So fire is a very significant. Development. It would have had almost as much. Change in homemade species as the chromosome.

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Fusion did very significant

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And we have fossils of several other species and we also, you know, we have fossils.

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Of unknown species as well. We think that hominid, but we don't, you know, it's really difficult with some of them, especially if you can't extract any.

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Dna from them to work out what they are. Homer, Augusta, Homo Heidel, and famously the one that those people will have heard of or know a little about.

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Hi. A European Homo species extinct now as you know obviously sorry. And we know that they lived side by side.

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I thought probably there, but I should have put did live side by side. With homo sapiens.

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We know this because the are people alive to day. With Neanderthal genes. So we know that and Neanderthalence is spread together.

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Why did they go extinct and Homo sapiens not? The unstoel man is in this.

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Artist depiction here. Massively strong, much stronger than Homo sapiens.

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Much bigger muscle processes indicating a much stronger body. Very human-like. Face facial you know from the the skull fragments that we have.

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You can see, the heavy brow. Phone, which homo sapiens does not have.

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And that's one of the differences when you look at a skull from Neanderthalensis, you can see the heavy brow bone there.

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You don't see that with suck ins. But very human-like. Features. But a lot stronger.

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Then homo sapiens. So you might think That would be a survival benefit being really strong.

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I'm probably really tough as well. But it wasn't enough for whatever reason it wasn't enough and they became extinct and homo sapiens he was slighter.

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Less hairy, less strong, less tough. Went on to populate the entire earth.

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So what happened there?

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So. Homo sapiens. The anatomically modern human as I'm calling them for this talk.

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The oldest fossils that we have are probably up to 200,000 years ish. These are the kinds of things that are found.

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Not nice, complete, or almost complete ones like Lucy. But just little bits and bobs, really, little pieces of bone.

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If you're lucky, you get, you know, the bigger bones obviously. Have more information.

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Cause you can tell. How strong they are, where the muscles attached, you know, which you know, depending which part of the body it is, it can tell you different things.

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So we usually find little bits and bobs like this, tiny fragments rather than nice, you know, big.

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Big, finds some rather rare. And we know that from the fossil finds. That's modern humans originated from Africa.

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And we know this for sure now, it was always assumed we originated in Africa, but we know for absolute sure now.

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From the DNA analysis. There's somebody somewhere. Oh, sorry. I keep doing that.

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Somebody somewhere spends their days looking at an array like the one in the bottom picture there. These are DNA sequences.

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And computer programs use them to zip through and look for sort of similarities and matches much like they do.

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With forensic psychology today and you're looking for, you know, the criminal.

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Whose DNA has been found at a crime scene. The same process really, you have some DNA material.

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From a find. And you compare it with other DNA samples. And that will give you an idea what species of how long ago and things like that, how old the bones are done by carbon dating.

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And whether the genes are shared. Any of the genes that you see in the sequencing there are shared by any humans today.

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And we know from that that we do share some Neanderthal genes so we know that we interbred.

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So here's the road map if you like. Of our evolution in Africa and migration to the rest of the world.

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So this is all based on the evidence that we have with fossils. With DNA testing of many thousands of of humans today, it's very simple now DNA testing you you just give some saliva.

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And your DNA can be extracted. And and used. In computer terms used to match the samples from all over the world.

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Can tell you where you originate from. So You see the pattern. Of migration.

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Okay. So in Africa, you see the Myration up into Europe. And across. To North America, obviously we'd have a different shaped.

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Land masses that many millions of years ago. Even down to Australia. Through Asia and so on.

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And we know that this is the route. Taken if you like just just from these simple saliva test now where we can match the DNA across people's across the entire planet now.

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Modern humans left Africa about 80,000 years ago, which is not very long. In evolution, but her is long enough to have changed the world.

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No, no less. Because what humans are capable of which evolution isn't is. Is cultural evolution.

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We can change the culture very quickly. Much, more quickly than. Evolution can work.

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So in one of the benefits of.

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And mapping the genome for a human teen is that we are able to follow what's known as the mitochondrial DNA.

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You may, some of you will know, mitochondrial DNA is passed. From mother to child.

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So all all women carry an identical. Marticondral DNA to that of their mother.

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And she inherited it from her mother. And she inherited it from her mother and so on and so on.

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So somewhere in Africa. All humans live today can be mapped back through the mitochondrial DNA to one single female.

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Scientists have called her Eve which is not terribly helpful I have to say because she is not the first woman she's not.

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But she is the only.

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The only place at which all the mitochondrial DNA we have converges. And so we can say without a doubt that we are all descended from.

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The same one. Well, one individual as a species. Which is a remarkable thing to say. The same is true of, domestic dogs.

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All the domestic logs in the world are descended from about 12 females. Female wolves.

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So again, very remarkable. Thing and being able to track mitochondrial DNA has been an absolute miracle in terms of what we can understand.

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Mitochondria tiny intracellular structures. They're within the cell therefore but they're not in the nucleus and when a human egg is fertilized.

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The egg has 50% of DNA from the father and 50% from the mother. But also this mitochondrial DNA from the mother because the male mitochondrial DNA is left outside of the cell.

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So only the female. In replica. It doesn't change.

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So how come we're here? How come it's homo sapiens and not all these other homemade species which of which there might have been dozens and dozens.

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We don't really know. We know that they're have been a few, quite a few, but we don't know how many.

00:43:38.000 --> 00:43:55.000
Modern research on this question. Suggests that we interbred. With other homo species. We know that for sure that we bred with Neanderthals because we have DNA from Neanderthal.

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Samples that matches DNA from modern humans. Neanderthals therefore have contributed to the modern gene pool of humans.

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And we have to assume as closely related hominids that we would have been capable of breeding with other archaic humans as well.

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In much the same way as you know dogs and wolves can still breed because they're still closely enough related.

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Lions and tigers don't come across each other in the wild. But they're genetically related enough to breed still in zoos and things.

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So we have to assume that we bred with other. Humans as well if we did with Neanderthals why not the others?

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So. Some of the genes we would have inherited. We're a mixture of all these other homo species.

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That seems to have been a bit of a leap in. Symbolic expression. And social behavior social connectedness which for some reason homo sapiens developed very rapidly and much more complex compared to the other hormones.

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Which we can derive from samples of you know, their bones and their fire using their tools and so on and they're artifacts like jewelry and beads and things like that.

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And some people have put forward the idea that perhaps it was language. Evolution that allowed homo sapiens to prevail.

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They could communicate with each other better. They could pass on knowledge. They could.

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Therefore not have to discover everything by trial and error. So you don't have to come across a saber tooth tiger.

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Somebody can tell you they're really dangerous. You know, you can find a time without having to do it yourself, which would have saved your life in many cases.

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And about 50,000 years ago something happened in in evolutionary terms. Homo sapiens crossed a threshold.

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In cognitive ability. For some reason they became more reproductively successful as well. More offspring.

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Living were surviving infancy. Probably because was getting better at surviving. Making clothes, staying out of danger, making weapons, lighting fire.

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Eating more, varied diet, which, would have helped, general well being and so on.

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So homo sapiens about 50,000 years ago becomes unstoppable. Can go to any climate can wear warm clothes.

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Can survive the heat. For example can have dark skin. Or can have pale skin. Can have.

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Can be small can be large can be can work out problems can pass on information, can share culture.

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Something happened 50,000 years ago. Probably a series of mutations. Graeme's, will mutations which were advantageous.

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Which we can't easily know just yet. We probably will know eventually.

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Some of the DNA that homo sapiens picked up from Neanderthals at least.

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We're definitely beneficial. So we do know that already there are at least 7 sequences from the Neanderthals.

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Related to skin pigments. So, homo sapiens would have had to evolve paler skin as they went north.

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Because you can only get your vitamin D through the Sun. And if you have a very dark skin you can't, so you would, you would need to use the sun, the sunlight if you like, through your pale skin.

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And the homo sapiens for some reason was able to be a specialist in things like mountains and climbing and rainforests.

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Or mammoth hunters in the paleoarctic. So they were able to specialize in particular kinds of hunting and existing and surviving.

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Despite the fact they were what you might call a generalist species. So there are a very unusual example.

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Of a generalist specialist, which is an oxymoron. Probably we have been able to Gather the knowledge required to live in these diverse.

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Environments by cooperating with others, learning from them. Knowing what to eat, knowing how to survive.

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Knowing whether safe places are perhaps perhaps caves people could tell you where to go and then you'd be safe.

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They didn't rely on just kin groups, not just their own offspring.

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They could have shared food and communicated with other homo species. That they weren't related to.

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And so, you know, processing culture all the time. How to make clothing, you know, how to do things more efficiently.

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Make better weapons gather more food what's what's safe to eat even. So we owe a lot to our.

00:49:39.000 --> 00:49:51.000
Friends if you like in terms of the DNA that we. Doubtless inherited from them so that the beneficial DNA.

00:49:51.000 --> 00:49:53.000
Oh, so I think I missed out the Neanderthal genes that help with immunity.

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Sorry, I did. So some of our immunity comes from Neanderthals. We have to assume that a lot of the other benefits that we have came from other homemade species too.

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And I think I might have gone over time, sorry. But thank you very much.

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For your attention. I think the study of hominid species is absolutely fascinating because there's so much we still don't know.

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And humans are so complicated. So all of these things I've listed here incredible. Destructive, creative, innovative.

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Problem solving, lots of positives, lots of negatives, but always complex and always more to learn.

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Thank you very much.

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Yeah.

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Okay, thank you very much, Joanne. I've got lots of questions for you. So I'm, I don't know if we're gonna get through all of your questions everybody, but as I said at the start, any that we don't get get to, we will take them away afterward and we'll try and get the answers to you.

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And pop them upside the recording of the, the lecture, hopefully tomorrow morning. So I'm just going to start from the talk, Joanne.

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And now, I have to roll up quite a long way to get to the top. Okay, no.

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So towards the start of the talk you were talking about the chromosome anomaly and the fact that other humanoids have 40, we have 46 which is quite distinctively different.

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And Jane was asking, to what extent can those different groups that you talked about interbreed? So obviously presumably not us with you know, chimpanzees and gorillas because of that chromosome thing but in terms of the others that have a similar have the same chromosome.

00:51:48.000 --> 00:51:52.000
Number. To what extent could they integrate?

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You're quite right. We could, we could not breed with. The other great apes that are on earth now because we don't share the same number of But we have to assume any hominid that have the same number of premises as us.

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Could probably interbreed with us. Yes.

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Okay, excellent. Okay, I hope that answers your question, Jane, in a nutshell.

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And another question here again when you were talking about chromosomes you talked about Neanderthalensis being lactose and tolerant.

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How do we know that? What's the evidence that shows that?

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Oh, that's a tricky one.

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Yeah. Probably a good question.

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Because, if you go from, from the other way around. We know what a human who is lactose tolerance genetic.

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What genome looks like. If you compare that to a Neanderthal genome you see particular alle of genes.

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Absent, and they tend to be the ones to do. With. Tolerance and allergy.

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And that's how we know because, Some of the, so for, for example, there are people today who are lactose intolerant.

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So for example, there are people today who are lactose intolerant. And so we know what a lactose intolerant genetic makeup looks like.

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We also know what a lactose tolerant genetic makeup looks like and we can compare it with Neanderthalensis who did not have the tolerance and had similar intolerance to people today.

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Okay.

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Who will actose in tolerant. So it's about comparison of genetic materials. That we have.

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Yeah, okay. I'm just gonna say you want to take your slides down just so that we can see you and see you a bit more clearly.

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Oh yes, cool, sorry. Of course, sorry.

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And That would be good. Brilliant, perfect. And now, another question from Ruth. Now, you were talking about Hormo, Habilis.

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How do we know that they had lots of body here and supplementary to that? Did Lucy have body here?

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It didn't look like it from the kind of reconstruction that we saw.

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Yeah. Is tricky. Again. Make some very intelligent guesses sometimes with gaps in the evidence.

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If you're lucky enough to have any fragments of skin that will tell you how many hairs.

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Per, you know, centimetre squared or something that that animal had. And we do have some.

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Preserved or ancient specimens, usually in ice. That had some hair or skin. Intact.

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So that we can look at the skin under an electron microscope to see very, very closely how many hair follicles and the nature of the follicles as well.

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Whether it's you know very fine hair or bristly hair or whisker pair you know that kind of the differences.

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But We also know from mitochondrial DNA from sampling and stuff that because of the, the, you know, the difference between homo sapiens and other homo species is not that great.

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In genetic terms. We have to assume. That hairiness. Is not a, you know, a big trait of hominids, or homo species, I should say.

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Okay. And I hope that answers your question, Ruth. Now, a quick question from Philip. And you talked a little bit about Homo erectus.

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How long ago? That's did homo erectus exist?

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Yeah.

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Oh gosh. That's tricky because the answer varies a lot. It would be It'll be up to 7 to 10 million years ago.

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Depending which evidence you Look at.

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Okay. Right. Okay. And another question from Pat.

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Actually, we're talking about Neanderthal lenses. And you had talked about the fact that they didn't live that long in terms of, you know, they got to be teenagers and probably not much more than them.

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Hmm.

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They looked a lot older than that. This popat was saying, why, why would that be? Again, that's maybe a big question.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, when you can tell from the remains, how old an animal, you know, any, any animal bone remains will tell you how old the animal.

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Was when it died. You can also, Get some evidence as well about things like disease, you know, so for example if they had arthritic joints and things you can find you see that evidence as well.

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And we didn't see any evidence of the illnesses of older age that you would see in homo sapiens aged 50 plus.

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And the evidence that we have, the case that they were all kind of below 30.

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And, the, you know, the vast majority were more like 1820. So they You know, harsh climate, harsh life, difficult, you know, difficulties with predators and food supplies and so on.

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Would have. Would have meant, you know, difficult survival.

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Hmm, okay. Right, what have we got next? No.

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Oh, you seem to have disappeared there.

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Thanks. I'm still here.

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Are you still here? You're sharing your screen again. We can see a nice talk. Yeah.

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Hello.

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No, I don't think I am.

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But no you're not somebody else is You're not someday else I've switched that off.

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There we go. Okay, now one, species that I guess we haven't spoken about today is Cromagnan.

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Where does it? Where does that species fit into the sort of hominids? Scenario.

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Oh, I don't know too much about Grey Magnum. I have to say I've, focused an awful lot of study on these older.

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But much more recently. Much more recently in Homo lineage.

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All I can say at the moment without the data before me.

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Cool. Yeah.

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Okay. Okay. That's maybe an area of research for you next day. And okay, now, just keep an eye on the time here.

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A question from David. Obviously you talked about, you know, the fact that We've originated from Africa.

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And spread across the globe from there. Can we, I mean, can we be sort of specific about which part of Africa?

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And David is talking about did we originate from the Rift Valley, which would be modern-day Kenya?

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Do, are we able to sort of pinpoint?

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Yes.

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Yes, we are. It that would be about right. Yes. The Rift Valley, yes, definitely.

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That's the region. Where, where some of the finds have. Indicated from mitochondrial DNA.

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Yes, yes.

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Right, okay, and supplementary to that, there was a question from Karen and Andrew.

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Did all the other hominids originate from the same place?

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Whoo!

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Another big question.

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That's really difficult because

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Without any extant hominids. Of the other homage species. We can't.

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Use the living relatives to track back through the mitochondrial DNA. So it's really difficult to map.

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Exactly where. They all came from. But I think the the quick answer to that is no they didn't all originate in Africa.

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They would have come from other parts. And

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Impossibly, home, it's homo sapiens that's come out of Africa, whereas other homo species may not have.

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Okay.

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Much more difficult to track them because there aren't any living relatives to to use to track back through the DNA.

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Yeah, yeah, of course. Okay. Right, now let's have a look.

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What can we do next? As I say, I think some of the questions we are going to have to take away.

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No, let's have a look. When you were talking about mitochondrial DNA.

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Questions for similar questions from Lucy and from Colin. Do male children also inherit the mothers mitochondrial DNA DNA?

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You talked about mother to daughter but do the male children also inherit as well?

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No, it's, She'll pass on a copy but then that child that male child will not pass that on.

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Bye.

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So he will have it in his self. But if his sperm fertilizes an egg. His mitochondrial DNA will remain outside of the cell.

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Right. Okay.

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Where is the mother's mitochondrial gene will be within it. So no, so yes, she does, but no, he can't pass it on.

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Right, good. I hope that answers your question. And, and, Colin.

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No, let's just have a look because we've got about a minute left. Let's see.

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No, from Jen. There is some of it evidence that humans were able to tell stories and recognize star groups before we left Africa, say, 100,000 years ago.

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With that fit with the cognitive leap. Happening that you talked about.

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Yeah, I mean, that would.

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Yeah, it's one of those mysteries, isn't it? I mean, if you ask people today to, you know, to consider the constellations, they wouldn't be very good at it.

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And yet we know that early humans use constellations to navigate by because they've in some cases has been drawn on caves and all sorts.

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And constellations which are recognizable in the night sky today. Yes, I would think.

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Maybe that is one of the. The leaps being able to know where you're going.

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Yeah. Perhaps navigate where you're going. Might make a huge difference to survival and reproductive success, yes.

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Hmm. Okay. Right folks, I think we're gonna have to leave it there. I know that we haven't got through all of your questions, but what I'll be doing once we've finished is I will pick out all the questions that we haven't answered and make sure that Joanne receives them and as I say, will try and get those answers upside the recording of the website as soon as we possibly

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can. No, thanks. Thanks again for that, that was really, really fascinating. Really interesting to learn a little bit.

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Like pressure.

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Yes. Yeah.

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You know, why we are the only hominids left that remain today. And, and obviously we've only been able to skim the surface today, such a, an enormous subject that, but hopefully it's, it's way to you appetite to try and find out a little bit more.

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And about the evolution of humans. So And so thanks again, Joanne. And I hope everybody enjoyed that.

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Thanks very much Fiona and thanks for inviting me back again. I'm just going to try to find my share screen.

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And Today we're going to. Talk about plastics and the role they have in supporting our lifestyle and the impact they're having on the environment.

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There's quite a lot of technical information, so if it's all new to you, you don't worry about it.

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The slides and recording will be available afterwards. And I'm more than happy to try and answer any questions at the end if you just put them into chat.

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But because there is quite a lot of data and information. It's fairly slide heavy. So I'm just going to share my screen and we'll be working through.

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Through the slides that I've prepared. Okay, so. Couldn't apply that.

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Sorry. Was it right?

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Good beginning. Why is it not working?

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Right. Hopefully everyone can see that. I can. Okay, right.

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Yep.

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Well, let's, let's kick off then. That's my question. Global menace, let's kick off then. That's my question.

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Global menace all miracle material. So any of you who know me or mean know immediately that the answer is going to be both.

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So, thought we just start off by thinking about what you maybe think about when plastic. Comes into your head.

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I you thinking about a pair of tights or more likely a plastic bag? Or even a beer wheel out of an electric motor.

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Or maybe you've got a less positive image in your mind and you're thinking about landfill or turtles getting caught up in fishing nets.

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Or even the Great Pacific. Garbage patch. All of these things are true representations of plastics today.

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So how do we take the good and lose the bad? These are some of the things we're going to try and done pick in this talk.

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So the first thing I want to look at is exactly what is plastic. It's not just one thing, that's for sure.

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So plastics are synthetic or man-made polymers. Polymer coming from the Greek for many parts.

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So a polymer is a long chain of carbon atoms with different functional groups along it. And carbon chemistry is the basis of all life on Earth.

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We wouldn't be here without it. So I thought we just start by looking at some natural polymers.

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So if we start with the polysaccharides, these are polymers of sugars and they can be straight and strong.

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And form plant cells and tree trunks in the form of cellulose or the exoskeletons of insects in the form of chitin.

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Or they can be more.

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Globular like starch and glycogen. So they can quickly break down to release the sugars for energy.

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We've got the polypeptides. These are proteins and they're long chains of amino acids.

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And they actually have the same structure as the polyamides. We use things like nylon. But the difference with proteins is that It's a long sequence of all different amino acids, whereas in something like a polyamide it's just one or 2 monomers making up the long chains.

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Then we've got DNA and RNA on its backbone of sugars and phosphates.

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And more interesting materials such as trees that can make natural rubber which is a polymer of isoprene.

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So over the millennia, humans have been using these materials for all sorts of things. Their clothing, insulation, waterproofing and products such as cones and jewelry.

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We first started playing with the natural materials to change their properties in the nineteenth century. So Charles Goodyear discovered that he could heat rubber with sulphur and make it much harder and heat resistance through the process of volcanization.

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Similarly, celluloid, which was used in early Sydney film but also an early packaging material, was made by nitrating cotton fibers.

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The first truly synthetic polymer was Bakelite in 1,907. This was a thermosetting phenol formaldehyde resin and most famous for the old telephone.

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But since then, some 10 billion tons of synthetic polymers or plastics have been made.

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So they came about because in the early twenties and 30, s they were looking for uses really for waste material from the processing of crude oil and natural gas.

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So as we started to use more fossil fuels for energy, then we had a lot of other products that came out of it.

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And one of the most abundant of these was ethylene gas and ICI successfully turned that into polyethylene in 1,932.

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And this was originally used as insulation for radar tables. Other early polymers would do pump nylon in 1935 and Teflon, which is polyteetrafluoro ethylene in 1,938.

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I'm always surprised by how long Teflon's been about. It feels like it's more a space-age material, but was one of the first polymers that, that were made.

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So one of the main distinctions to make when talking about thermoplastics is the difference between thermoceting and thermoplastics.

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If you something like a 2 pack epoxy you get a chemical reaction which forms these cross links between the polymer chains to fix them in place.

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This means the polymer chains can't slide over one another, preventing the material from melting.

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So common thermostats include epoxy resins, phenolics and polymites, which are used in engineering composites.

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But these types of plastics are virtually impossible to recycle because they don't melt. Although waste product can be crushed and added to concrete and other materials as fillers.

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So most of the plastics that we're familiar with are thermoplastic. This means the can be melted and reformed because the long chain molecules can slide over one another.

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They can have a very, degree of this branching which can affect the density and the melting point.

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But fundamentally, they can be. Made into all sorts of different things from fiber to film to car bumpers.

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So at this point I should compress that after graduating I spent 10 years developing plastic packaging. This was in 1979 the first year that globally we made more plastic than steel but packaging was still pretty primitive.

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It was the start of a massive explosion of new materials and structures. And as a scientist, when someone comes along and says, wouldn't it be great if we could make a plastic that can be processed like a can or glass and give food the same shelf life and have all the advantages of being lightweight and easy to transport and decorate.

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And people will love it. Then that's what you try to do, I'm afraid. At the same time, the food technologists were developing ultra processed food that took advantage of these new materials, tasted great and made people want more.

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Somehow we didn't foresee the complete change in food consumption habits and the shift to a throwaway society.

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So as we move through the talk towards the end, then I'll start looking at how we can address some of these problems that us as humans have created.

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But before we start that, I just want to give you some understanding of the materials that we're talking about because there are a lot of them.

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It's not just one thing. So I'm gonna start with the. Polyolphins.

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Okay. So polyolphins. Materials that only contain carbon and hydrogen. The first of these will look at is, is Polyethylene and that can come in 2 forms.

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So, high density or load density depending on its molecular weight and how branched it is. So low density was the material that ICI first made back in the day.

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Whereas HDPE, high density polythene, is very versatile. It's tough and abrasion resistant and used for things like chopping boards, play equipment and packaging for chemicals like detergents and oil cans and probably your milk bottles.

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HD is very recyclable. Unlike the low density version which has a much lower melting point and is therefore more difficult to reprocess.

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But LDP has the advantage of being very cheap and good for all those low demand. Products like bags, squeezy bottles, some pipes and insulation.

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So they have their advantages. On the disadvantages. The other poly, of note is polypropylene.

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This is similar to high density polythene, but the extra methyl group that you can see. On the chain reduces its density, it spreads out those chains.

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So it's even lighter but it also increases its melting point so it has much better temperature.

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It has much better temperature resistance. Dimensionally, it's really stable so it has much better temperature resistance.

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Dimensionally, it's really stable so it can be used in car components like bumpers and it can be spun into very tough fibre for carpets.

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And it's high level of microbial and chemical resistance means it's used in lots of medical applications such as disposable, syringes and even sutures that need to remain in place.

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But it's much harder to recycle. The HDPA. So you'll be familiar from your recycling codes maybe that they they all have these resin codes and actually the higher the number the harder it is to actually recycle that.

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So the next ones to look at are the, those materials that are more commonly made into fibers.

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So polyester. They're a big group of materials that have this oxygen containing group in them.

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The most common and the only one we're going to look at today is PT or polyethylene This semicrystaline resin can be made into fibres for clothing.

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Containers for liquids and foods and formed into shapes. Or combined with glass fiber for engineering resins.

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So it's very versatile and it's become so common because it has excellent properties that can be controlled by the way the crystallinity develops when it's processed.

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It has really good gas and moisture barrier. And excellent transparency and trance and shatter resistance.

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So as a PT bottle. When it's in its purest form. It's the most recycled material.

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And that's why it's number one on its resin code. But it's much harder to reclaim it from a film or when it's spun with cotton to make cotton polyester, which is a shrink resistant and easy care fiber that we're all very used to to using.

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Nylon is, Dupont's brand name for the polyamides. So they're synonymous really.

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You can get different forms of nylon depending on the monomers that you can use. So you can see on the graphic that I suggest 9 1 6 6 6 10 and they're just about the the types of monomers that are used so nylon 6 is just a single monomer that makes the polymer and it has 6 carbons in its.

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In each unit, whereas 6 6 is made from 2 monomers both with 6 carbon atoms in in the unit.

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And uses of nylon are very similar to that of polyester so it's used in fibers packaging and engineering applications.

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So things like those gear wheels that I had on the first slide and most likely nylon.

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It has got a really good gas barrier to things like oxygen, but it doesn't have that same moisture resistance that the polyester has.

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So in packaging you have to protect it in a laminated film with something like high density policy on either side.

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And that again makes it more complicated to, to recycle. And pure nylon fabrics tend to attract static.

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I don't know if you, you know, remember when things were just made of nylon that were terrible, you're always getting, electric shocks from them and they were very clingy and also the tights made out of nylon very easily laddered.

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So it's not often used as a pure fiber these days. It's nearly always combined with cotton or polyester which makes it much more durable and easier to use.

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But nylon fabrics have the advantage of being really easy to waterproof and to make fire retardant.

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So they used in lots of different kinds of materials. Nylon itself is hardly recycled at all.

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So you'll see that it doesn't even have its own category. It appears in the in the miscellaneous.

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Half degree for for recycling.

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So here's some more. Common polymers that you'll be familiar with. Pvc is the third largest plastic in terms of volume produce.

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And when I started work in the industry it was used in all sorts of packaging applications because it has excellent barrier properties to oxygen.

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Water and chemicals. It's gradually being replaced in most applications because of concern over plasticizers that are used to make it flexible.

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And the toxins released when it's burned. But it can be made into all sorts of things from vinyl records to foe leathers to IV bags for medical.

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UPVC or unplasticized PVC. Is rigid and that's the material of choice for drainpipes, windows and doors.

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And this is much more readily recycled. So you can see that it's got a number.

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3 on its on its code.

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Polystyrene comes in a number of different forms. So you've got general purpose which is cheap and cheerful and used for those things like cake trays that supermarkets use.

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High impact polystyrene is co-polymerized with rubber which makes it 7 times more impact resistance than general purpose and that's used in all sorts of applications.

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Like linings for refrigerators, but also in packaging for yoghurt and margarine pots and disposable cutlery and plastic partyware which is currently being like to the gate is also made from polystyrene.

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And then finally you can get expanded polystyrene which is blown with pentane as it's extruded and this creates a material that is 98% air.

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89% there. I'm sure it's not Jake's center.

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Might have that wrong on the on the graph, sorry. It has, Really good shop resistance.

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So if you're thinking about transporting something like, you know, washing machines that you really don't want to get bounced around, they all come packed in this expanded polystyrene.

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As well as it's ubiquitous use in fast food applications, which are something that one would want to get rid of.

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Finally, this is just a list of a few speciality materials that are maybe less familiar, but still really common in everyday life.

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So ABS is another code polymer of styrene, which is strong and rigid and used for phones and luggage and electrical housing.

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Is used for all sorts of flexible tubing where you're not using silicone, so particularly medical uses but also household.

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PTFE. Which is polytetrafluoro ethylene, that's your Teflon.

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That's a fluorinated polymer. But it isn't just used as a coating for pans.

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It's really important in all sorts of medical and electrical and plumbing applications. It's the tape you wrap around when you joining.

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Yeah, steel pipes together. Poly butane that's interesting that's the material that makes all those easy peel seals work on cartons and cold meat packs.

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Polycarbonate you may be familiar with that's 200 times stronger than glass and used in greenhouses and the like.

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Polyfinal alcohol was one of the first materials I started working with. It has really excellent barrier to oxygen and is important in extending food shelf life.

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But it's also water soluble. So at low molecular weights, it's used in things like contact lens solutions.

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But in packaging it has to be well protected by other materials in some form of laminate. And then thermoplastic, a lamp, to, us, or the rubbery things that give bounce to our trainers whilst melamines are used in all sorts of household applications from picnic wear to toilet seats.

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So that's our very brief introduction to the world of plastics. So what are the things that we wouldn't want to lose?

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Packaging for food is obviously really important. Although we may think there's too much packaging.

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In many lower income countries the lack of packaging is a major contribution to food waste. Where you've got largely urban societies we need to be able to transport and distribute food in a way that maximizes its shelf life and ensures its safety.

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By selecting the right combination of materials you can get a packager is lightweight, usually cheap, can exclude moisture and oxygen from products that will spoil and be printed and formed into a protective shape.

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And preventing food waste is one of the biggest impacts we can have on protecting the environment. And the impact of plastic production and handling is much lower than the impacts which would result from food waste without packaging.

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Synthetic textiles also offer some in environmental advantages. Reducing the impact of cotton and replacing lever while providing affordable clothing to many people.

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The issue is how we manage the overconsumption and the marketing of fast fashion. It would be really difficult to remove plastic from health care.

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Again, although there are plenty of opportunities to reduce consumption, we couldn't manage without the plastic tube being the PPE and the components of equipment.

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And then if we look at transport all forms of transport, whether trains, cars or buses use a lot of plastic in their construction.

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This makes them lighter and more fuel efficient as well as contributing components to the electrical and mechanical functions.

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So hopefully that gives you some idea. Of how useful and important plastics are in society.

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But we obviously need to look at the impact of plastic pollution. Around the world a million plastic bottles are purchased every minute and up to 5 trillion of those plastic bags are used worldwide every year.

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In total, half of all the plastic produced is designed for single-use purposes. And therein lies the problem really.

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So if we just look at some of the things that happen when waste gets plastic waste gets into the environment.

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It causes multiple problems. Entanglement in debris is a problem for animals and birds on land.

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And in the ocean. Surveys of marine wildlife have shown that 344 species have been found trapped in waste, including all the turtle species and a quarter of the seabird species.

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Eating the plastics another problem resulting in starvation because they the animal just feels too full to eat anything else or it can actually damage the gut and disrupt the biochemical processes.

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This great shearwater was found to have 194 different plastic fragments in its stomach.

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And one of the sperm whales that was recovered was found to have 9 meters of rope inside it.

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Plus the very small microplastics can be absorbed by filter feeders and passed on up the food chain.

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Plastic waste can also wreck habitat by leaching contaminants, degrading the environment and attracting animals to unsuitable habitats like landfill.

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And micro plastics can act as carriers for toxins which absorb onto their surface and then move through the water courses.

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And the very small nanoparticles that are shared from synthetic fibers and tires are also a new cause for concern.

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Numerous studies that now showing that microplastics are present in living people having been detected in human blood and lung tissue.

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These growth graphs just show the exponential growth in plastic production and waste. We've not been making plastic that long in 1,950 we were producing too 1 million tons a year and by 2019 we produced 460 million tons.

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And since the eighties, although recycling and incineration have increased, the vast majority of plastic waste is still dumped.

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Recent report from the OECD suggests that the amount of global plastic waste is set to triple by 2060 with almost 2 thirds from short-lived items such as packaging, low-cost products and textiles.

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So what are we actually doing with the stuff? These are some of the current options for managing waste. We've got 3 main routes.

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Recycling is generally the best option, but not always economically viable and definitely not suitable for all plastics.

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At the moment, 9% of the waste globally is recycled. But this rises to about 30% in Europe and other higher income countries.

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Incineration reduces landfill but can be polluting if it's not done properly. It's increasingly popular in Europe, especially in small countries without much landfill space.

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Landfill returns the carbon to the ground. But take resources out of the economy. The worst thing is that 22% of all the waste produced is not treated in any way and ends up in uncontrolled dumps in the sea because the infrastructure is not in place to deal with it.

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If we just look at recycling in a bit more detail, it's worth considering what actually happens.

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I don't know if you actually read what your local authority will take, but it is often limited.

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Most recycling plants can only handle HDPE and PET. So their numbers one and 2 on our resin chart.

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And the rest is sorted and removed and goes back into the landfill or incineration stream.

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Some plants can manage PVC and polypropylene and some of them more complex laminates, but low density policy, polystyrene and the mix of polymers we discussed earlier.

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Are rarely recycled at the moment. This line only first domestic recycling because products such as cars and electrical goods are subject to regulation, about dismantling.

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This is because hazardous chemicals have to remove before the recycling process can begin. And authorized treatment facilities aim to recover 95% of the materials before sending the rest to landfill.

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So it really is the packaging and the text files that are the big. Problem. This diagram shows the principles of mechanical recycling.

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So after the collection's been split into the paper, metal glass and plastic streams it's further sorted into those types into the different types of plastic.

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So this is where the labeling does help for example telling HDPE from polypropylene.

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Which will look very similar. But if a PT bottle has a tamper proof ring on it, then this is likely made of HDPE and would need to be removed before processing.

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So all that has to happen first. And then the clean material is shredded and remelted to reform new granules.

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Actual polymer structure in not changed through mechanical recycling, but the molecular weight can be reduced and this affects the performance.

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So material often goes into lower grade applications such as benches rather than back into the food packaging. Or if it is used in food packaging, then it soften has to be skimmed with a layer.

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Those plants that can manage more complex structures use solvents to dissolve out some of the polymers before separation.

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And any material that is heavily contaminated has to be taken out of the recycling stream, which is why they usually ask you to wash your bottles and tubs before.

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Collection.

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In Europe about 40% of the plastic waste is ininerated. I mean this is quite good. If it's just replacing fossil fuel because as we've seen you know they're carbon-based polymers and when they're burnt they release energy which can be converted to heat or electricity in the way that a fossil fuel can.

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So, do any relative gain is dependent on the mix of energy that it replaces. So you really wouldn't want to be using incineration to replace renewable energy, but if you're replacing fossil fuels then that's not too bad.

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The problem is when that's not done in a regulated. Of way so studies from countries in Africa and Asia where there's less regulation show that pollution from toxic gases such as carbon dioxide and dioxins is really significant.

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So the third option is landfill and here you can see 2 landfill sites, one from Europe and one in Asia.

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On the surface they look very similar apart from the mechanization. But the way in which modern landfill sites are treated makes them much better so long as they're properly operated.

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So this diagram shows how they have to be lined with various layers of material to prevent leech, wet, leachate getting into the groundwater and they have to monitor.

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The groundwater to check that the pollution isn't getting in. And then when they're full they're capped with clay.

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In order to then re vegetates them, so that they're, they can go for other uses.

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So here we're looking at. The main concerns that people have, which is around, the pollution of the oceans.

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So, 82 million tons of large plastic items and 40 million tons of small pieces below 5 are washed up, buried or resurfaced along the shorelines every year.

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Most of this, 80% of this is fairly recent from the last 5 years, but the rest is decades old, are showing how long it takes for large lots of plastic to break down to be low 5 which is what we call the microplastics.

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So the problem is never actually degrade or break down. They just get smaller and smaller and smaller.

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In the ocean, the macro plastic, the big pieces are even older. So they don't break down to the microplastics so quickly.

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Thank you back to the fifties and sixties and 75% of the micro plastic that tiny bits in the ocean was made before the 1990.

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So really the ocean is storing up. All our waste. Most of the plastic entering the ocean from the rivers is less dense than water so it floats on the currents.

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And best estimates suggest that 80% of ocean waste actually comes from the land with about 20% coming from the fishing fleets and other sources.

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So what happens is the ocean currents take the plastic waste on very, specific paths or gyres.

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This concentrates the material in these 5 distinct areas. So every one of those circles will have a big garbage patch in it.

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But the largest is the Great Pacific Garbage Patch, which is located halfway between California and Hawaii.

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And this is what it looks like. Not very pleasant. It covers an area that's 3 times the size of France to give you an idea of size.

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And it contains about 80,000 tons of material.

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As we've seen, 80% of the ocean pollution is coming from rivers. So finding out which rivers is a really good way to help us start tackling the problem.

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And you can see from this graph that most of the top 10 polluting rivers in are in the Philippines.

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Which accounts for a third of the total waste going into the oceans. This is because waste management is nearly non-existent in these areas and the paved surface of heavy urbanization allows the plastic just to be washed into the rivers by rain.

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One real life example compared the river basin in Java with the Rhine in Europe. And although the Java Basin is 275 times smaller than the Rhine and generates 75% less plastic waste, it actually emits a hundred times more plastic into the ocean every year.

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This map just confirms what we've already discussed with packaging and text styles being by far the greatest producers of plastic waste.

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And therefore the obvious place is to look for easy wins in reducing the problem.

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But before we throw the baby out the bath water, it's worth looking at this lifecycle analysis of a grocery bag from the Danish Environmental Protection Agency.

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It shows that comparison between a single-use policy and carry bag and other types of bag that are often deemed more environmentally friendly.

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Because the inputs into producing a plastic bag are so low, you have to use the alternatives and all the lot before you get to the same impact.

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So if we look at the cumulative results, you need to use your organic cotton bag.

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Every day for 6 and a half years before it's better than a single use polythene bag.

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That's not impossible. I have bags that are at least 10 years old, but equally I wouldn't use a plastic bag once and then throw it away.

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So I'm not advocating mass use of polythene bags. The 5 p taxes work wonders in reducing usage and we need to do more.

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But equally, we mustn't leap to snap judgments that may seem intuitively correct, but aren't based on the actual facts.

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Another thing that is a lot to talk about the moment is bioplastics. Now this is used confusingly and 2 entirely different ways.

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It can mean polymer that's made from a plant-based feed stock, a bit like biofuel.

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So that has similar environmental impacts to biofuels and is not ideal. The other meaning is that the plastic itself is biodegradable.

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Not at the moment. Plastics that are biodegradable aren't durable enough to be useful.

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But lots of magazines and things are now delivered in these compostable bags. Now they're not great if you try and put them in your domestic compost.

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They won't break down. There's lots of studies have been shaped have shown that. And if they get into the ordinary recycling stream, they're a really serious contaminant.

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But if you can put them into your food waste, they will go to a commercial composter and fully degrade.

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So that's where they need to go. Now I'm given to understand that not all local authorities have composting services.

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We have one here. But again, that's a matter of infrastructure. We have one here. But again, that's a matter of infrastructure.

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So these things are being sent out as being degradable but again that's a matter of infrastructure so these things are being sent out as being degradable but if you can't get them into the system to actually be composted and it doesn't really help.

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So that's where we are. Plastics are generally useful materials and they account for less than 4% of global fossil fuel production.

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But the problems are caused by the throwaway society that generates a huge amount of waste and the lack of infrastructure for managing that waste, particularly in low income countries, where they actually create less plastic waste per person than we do.

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So what can we do? We're onto actions.

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I start with a really cheery subject because I don't know if you've heard of ocean cleanup, but, it's a great organization.

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They've got a great website that you can look at. The idea came from a young Dutch teenager when he asked his parents why you couldn't just pick the plastic out of the ocean.

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And in 2013 when he reached 18 he actually started his charity with this very intention and by 2,019 he was actually pulling plastic out of the sea.

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In the meantime the UN had launched its Clean Seas program to restore the marine environment back to good health and was supporting the project.

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So ocean cleanup works as a research program that develops the technology that can be scaled up and replicated.

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And currently on system 2 and soon to progress the system 3. They use these floating booms to create an artificial coastline that tracks the plastic and can then be hauled into the towing boat.

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So far they've removed 246 tons, which isn't a massive impact on that.

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80,000 tons that's there, but they aim to remove 90% of the floating plastic by 2040.

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And I believe that they really can do that. The modeling suggests they need 10 full size systems to clear the great Pacific garbage patch.

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So really that's a question of investment. The material they pull out all goes through a recycle and recovery process just as if it's been collected on land.

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So here's some of the things that they've pulled out. You can see that it's obviously not just plastic.

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It's anything that floats, but the full array of, toys, cutlery, clothing, fishing nets, bottles that you'd expect.

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But of course it's no point pulling it out. If we keep putting it back in. So the other thing they're working on.

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Is the rippers. We saw that. You know, very few ripples are creating most of the problem.

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So they're also developing ways to catch the plastic before it escapes into the sea. And they're looking at a range of hi-tech and low-tech solutions for this because rivers vary a lot according to the tide, the width and the depth.

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But again, it's just short-term solution until effective local infrastructure can be put in place. They aim to make themselves redundant once as much plastic as is possible is being cleared and new sources of pollution have stopped.

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The other people that it's worth looking at as the Ellen Macarthur Foundation, they're doing some of the best work in this area in terms of innovation, collaboration and driving policy change to reduce simple useful plastics and the associated waste.

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Their foundings principle is based on the circular economy in which design is used to minimize the waste and keep all resources in the economy.

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Ellen Macarthur was really affected by her solo voyage around the world. And seeing so much plastic in places where humans hadn't ever even been.

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So the ambition of the foundation is to use lifecycle analysis to create a circular economy. For plastics.

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This involves eliminating plastics we don't need. Enabling sustainable product design. And ensuring proper waste management and collection.

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The plastic that exists already is a global resource. It should be looked after just like any other material.

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So some of the projects that the Ellen Macarthur Foundation support in a small scale social enterprises such as appeal.

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I'm always hearing people complain about the plastic covering. On a cucumber, but it keeps the oxygen out and the moisture in so extending the shelf life of the cucumber.

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To allow transport from grower to consumer. Appeal is a plant based soil that can be applied to fruit and vegetables to extend shelf life but reduce environmental impact.

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It's an edible coating that you can eat or just wash it off. You still need to consider the bruising damage of fruit and vegetables during transport.

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But as they were already trialling this in Oxford with avocados and oranges.

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So it's definitely going somewhere.

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You may know that Scotland's looking at introducing a deposit scheme for single-use bottles.

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And even though it's popular with consumers, it's receiving varying levels of support from industry because they think it's too complicated.

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Well, they might learn something from this innovative idea from a small tech start up in Indonesia.

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They're focusing on reuse of plastic bottles. Before recycling. The bottles they make are designed to be reused 10 to 20 times before being taken out of service.

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As we've seen, Asia has huge issues with plastic waste and 70% of in Indonesia's waste is hard to recycle in it that it's a lot of those laminated pouches.

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The interesting thing about This project is that, and, controls the whole distribution logistics. They get the product to consumers.

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They collect the returns, they clean and biologically test the containers before supplying them back to the brand that fills the product.

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And they do all this with a QR code and an app to track the lifespan of every single bottle.

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And because there is social enterprise, they ensure they work with community out there and pass on the reuse savings to their customers.

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And they now have a hundred outlets as well as online sales. So that's really a different approach where you're looking at you can actually tell how long your plastic bottle has been reused and when it needs to come out of the system and get recovered in some other way.

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Chemical recovery is one of the new technologies that's being developed in order to move towards a circular economy.

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We talked about the mechanical, recycling which, which doesn't change the polymer. Something like pyrolysis uses high temperatures and the absence of oxygen to break down the plastic into its constituents.

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Impurities such as nitrogen from nylon have to be removed in the refining steps, but the material is processed into a high quality feedstock called NAFTA, which is similar to that obtained from crowd from crude oil.

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So, once it's been produced, it can go back into making brand new plastic resins that can go into high-grade use like food packaging.

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And it could recycle large volumes of flexible packaging and mixed polythene and polypropylene waste and polystyrene waste into material.

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That otherwise is really hard to recycle. So Europeans to be at an industrial scale with this by 2,025 and hitting its targets for dealing with those hard to recycle plastics by 2,013.

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However, this means investment in 60 to 70 new plants and a secure supply of waste material. So that's the other thing about when you're looking at waste as your feedstock is you've got to collect that material and get it to your plant for the recovery.

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The other thing is that pyrolysis can't deal with the PET because it's oxygen content is too high.

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But mechanical recovery is good with PET so at the moment that's less of an issue.

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Another thing that you see a lot of stories about in the press is using microbes to digest plastics and as a carbon-based product this seems plausible.

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And some microbes have been found in the North Sea that are revolving to feed on those micro plastics.

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And it's been proven in the lab that some microbes can degrade some plastics to carbon dioxide and water.

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The main issue is that most of them don't work at low enough temperature and you need lots of different microbes because each one would be specific to a specific plastic and you still be composing something from a non-renewable source.

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So you need to factor in carbon capture. So it's interesting, but probably not going to solve our problems.

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Text files are still the really big knot to crack. The fiveers that are currently recycled are done so by that mechanical dissolution process but they are looking at chemical recovery and Mackinac McKinsey think this could get to as high as 26%.

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By 2030 but this does seem overly optimistic. How's we just seen nylon can be processed through pyrolysis but to recycle polyester they need a completely new hydrolysis system.

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And you know the research is happening but it's going to need major investment. Patagonia, the outdoor clothing supplier, is really committed to reuse and recycling and they're already using over 80% renewable and recycled materials in their new products and they claim that they will reach a hundred percent very soon.

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They also promote second hand or pre loved. And they hit the headlines with that do not buy this jacket advert.

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The second hand and rented trade in close is undoubtedly the best way of keeping these materials in the economy rather than ending up in land.

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And there may be lessons to learn from the wall trade in how to work collaboratively. Collaboratively.

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Preto in Italy is home to hundreds of companies that together they claim to process 15% of global waste clothing.

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And they would claim all of the wool and turn it back into useful fiber. And it might be that something similar could be done with plastic fibers.

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So let's think about the things that we can all do. This is just a short list off the top of my head.

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You're probably already doing most of them, but behavioral change is something that we can lead. The use of reusable drinks bottles and cups has increased enormously, but there's still scope for more.

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But we can't forget that when there's a natural disaster, the delivery of palettes of PET bottles is the quickest and safest way to get drinking water into these communities.

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As I've said, food waste both in the distribution chains and the domestic environment is one of the major problems we need to solve.

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So making sure we don't add to it is something we can all do. Part of this is about buying fresh and local where we can, but also eating more like our grandparents did ditch the ultra process food and you'll be healthier at the same time as reducing that hard to recycle plastic mountain.

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I'm remember to check your local council guidelines for what you put into the recycle stream. Using solid detergents, whether for yourself or use your washing reduces the packaging, the water consumption and the transport emissions because you're shipping less water about.

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Good back to some basic hygiene standards. Covid's made people extra sensitive to risk, especially in health care.

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But again, it's about the data. If there's no risk, there's no need for the PPE.

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Wearing a face mask won't stop you catching something, but if you have an infection it will greatly reduce the risk if you're passing it on.

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The biggest contribution we can make is just keeping using our old stuff, get it repaired, exchange clothes, think before you buy and share these ideas with our friends and family and campaign to our counselors, MPs and retailers.

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So what do we want from our leaders? I think what we need is systemic policies that treat plastic as one of the many resources in our economy.

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We want governments to adopt systems thinking rather than a growth mindset and to work collaboratively with each other and NGOs and corporate organizations to invest in solutions.

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A priority must be to support those low income countries in securing infrastructure that prevents the continual flow of plastic out into the environment.

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For many years we were exporting our rubbish to these countries without any accountability for what was happening to it.

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Thankfully, it's mostly stopped, but the legacy remains and needs fixing. One thing that would really help recycling recovery would be standardization about how different products are packed and labeled so that customers understand what has a reasonable chance of being recycled and how to give it the best chance.

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Of that actually being successful because at the moment so much material that goes into recycling just still winds up in landfill.

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And regulation needs to go alongside incentives to encourage people to do the right thing. Reducing landfill by increasing fly tipping just makes the problem worse.

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But the producers and users of packaging must pay to have it retained in the economy. If a full lifecycle analysis was done on all products, then plastics would be a sustainable alternative to glass paper metal in many cases.

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But while we're allowed to throw stuff away without counting the cost in the economics, will not solve the world's environmental problems.

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So that's about all I've got to say, but I'm very happy to take any questions.

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If you have them.

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Thanks very much, Pearl. We'll go straight to some questions. I've got a few for you.

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Okay.

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Let's just start from the top. Thanks for sending in your questions. And so early on in the presentation you were talking about, you know, the dangers of plastic ingestion on animals.

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Joe is asking, and what research is being done currently on how plastic ingestion affects humans?

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Do we know?

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I think it's at a much earlier. Stage. As far as I know, there is no evidence that it's harming humans.

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That's not to say it isn't, but I just think that that research has not been done.

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Certainly there is lots of research that shows that it is present in our bodies. So it's there, whether or not it's causing a problem, is not something that we fully aware of.

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But things like those nanoparticles which get deep into the rump to the lungs, we know that, that nanoparticles coming from diesel or whatever form, we know that those are dangerous to health and will cause cause a problem.

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Whether or not the actual ingestion through the food chain is causing a problem is you know It's an unknown.

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Alright, okay. A question from Nicki. This is an interesting one. I'm much of the house will plastic waste in the UK is shipped abroad.

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And at the risk of ending up in the sea or other unsafe disposal methods because you do hear about that.

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Yeah, so it's, It has almost stopped. I don't know know what they, you know, whether there's good local, you know, data to show that it is completely stopped.

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But a few years ago, China can just stopped accepting any exported waste and most countries in Asia did the same thing at the same time.

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So that That's flow of waste. Has been. Paused or stopped. But that's what I say that the problem is that that all went without them having any infrastructure to deal with it.

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So it's like a legacy problem really. So we might not be adding to it but there's still that legacy problem of it all in open dumps and landfill that can still get into the ocean that needs to be dealing with and that's why we need to look at how investment from the West can actually support the you know, the infrastructure that's needed to stop that because it's all very well trying to take it all out

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and stop it going in but you've got to do something with it and you can only do something with it if you've got proper infrastructure.

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Yeah, and that was actually a question from. Bridget actually, you know, and which we might as well just tackle that now, you know, it's all very well pulling stuff out of the sea, but what then do we do with it?

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Yeah, yeah, so I mean, I think that, you know, the idea of moving towards a circular economy is that over time there will be a lot less waste produced.

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So that. You know, we'll stop using a lot of the stuff that we just don't, that, you know, we need to reduce is a big thing.

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We use loads of stuff that we don't need to. But you know, there's a very good argument for lots of it that you do need to still be using that plastic.

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And that is where the circular economy needs to come. And in the meantime, we need to be collecting that waste and dealing with it.

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And I think the chemical recovery things offer good solutions because it does return it to very usable feedstock so it's a proper circular process.

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The problem is the, you know, it requires energy to do that. So you need to make sure that you're running those processes on renewable energy.

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So that you're not adding to the problem. And the other thing is the the sort of at the moment we've got lots of waste that needs to be dealt with as you reduce it and get to that circular economy then the amount of the waste should reduce and so therefore getting the investment to deal with the problem.

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If you think you've got a deal declining sort of feedstock is. Difficult.

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So none of these things are simple solutions. And that's why I say they need regulation and cooperation and collaboration.

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To to make them work.

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Okay, thank you. And question here from Deanna. Do plastics or old plastics give off toxins which get into the air, say for example inside your house.

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Or in buildings.

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Not really, I mean they're all very safe. I mean there's obviously there's this thing now which has really only recently been discovered around the shedding of these nanoparticles.

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And they are everywhere. And then whether or not they do any damage is, Is, is, is, is debatable.

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Is this a bit of an unknown. Some of the materials that they most have concerns about things leaching out of his PVC because to make PVC usable in many of its forms they have to put a lot of these materials called thalates into them and they do leach out.

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They're sort of controls around you know sort of how much you can put in and how much you can put in and how much can can leach out.

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And They've been used for a long, long time and there is not a lot of evidence that they were really damaging but the reason a lot of PVC is being replaced in a lot of applications is for for that reason.

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Other things less, you know, they have less stuff in it. So.

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Hmm, that actually leads onto a question from Carol and actually she was asking about Salates. She was asking, is it, phthalates that were removed from babies bottles?

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And can you see anything about what other products are still in and the possible effects which you've touched on a little bit?

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And either other plastics we should be similarly, similarly concerned about.

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Yeah, I mean as I say they're the plasticizers that make the the plastic. Easy to process and to turn into the materials that that you want and there's a lot of but I mean a lot of things have been removed and other plasticizers have replaced them.

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So that's the thing. They said it's always a sort of a moving feast of, of looking for other materials that will do the same job.

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And pose less, less risk. So that development is going on. All the time. I think phthalates are the only things that people have, genuine concerns about because there is some I think they're in that category where they sort of May the terminology is.

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It's always very sort of. Odd but you know they kind of made cause some cancers that There isn't any evidence that they actually do, but potentially from, work that's been done, you know, there is a sort of possible.

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So, so they work quite hard to remove those and certainly out of sensitive things because obviously the thing about baby bottles is that you know if they're going into babies you've got to be you know, sort of a small volume of baby.

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So it's gonna have a, you know, relatively a bigger impact. So we'll see they're really careful about things like that.

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Okay, thank you. Right, here's a question from another budget which kind of really gets to the nub of things here a little bit, it's a little bit of a million dollar question.

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Assuming that is a choice for a drink container, you've got a glass bottle, a can or a plastic bottle, which is best for the planet in terms of original production verses reusability.

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Cool.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. I can't pull though relevant life cycle analysis off my head to answer that question.

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But, You know, that's why. They're arguing that that should be the case for every product because glasses high energy to produce.

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It has got quite long reusable. Factors an aluminium can is very high energy to to produce but very good recyclability.

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But those are dependent on actually getting them back. I mean, I think this reuse, so like we've loved, we always used to get your 5 P on your bottle, didn't you, when you bought it?

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Oh.

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I remember that. That was my job when I was little to take the glass bottles back to the shop.

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So in many ways getting back to reuse rather than. Recycling is always going to be good but your inputs are still high right at the beginning so you got to reuse a lot of times i mean that's the thing about plastics is that the what goes into them in the first place is very low energy and very low input.

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That's why they're so good. And it's only what we do with them that's the problem.

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And if you're starting to look at plastic that have 10 to 20 reuses before they go into a recovery process then they start to look quite advantageous because you just look at the sort of the transport costs of you know, sort of moving glass around.

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The reason we went to plastic, you know, I mean, I worked in the industry. We didn't go into plastics because you know We thought nothing, you know, other things were complete rubbish.

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We were generally trying to, you know, reduce the amount of fuel that was used in the transport to make things more accessible and you know, that that's was the starting point with the guy who invented the plastic bag, you know, he wasn't trying to create an environmental disaster.

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He created something that had virtually no input in terms of energy or resource and he produced something that was really useful that you can use time after time after time.

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You don't have to throw it away after one use. So You know, I think a lot of these things are quite complicated and the actual data around which is best under which circumstances will vary.

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According to where you are in the world and what's available and what your distribution systems are like, but.

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You know, we need to think about them and we need to think about how we reuse all of our material, how we use all of our materials and resources, not just one thing.

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Yeah, okay, thank you. Right, question from Sally. Should we be worried about microplastics with polyester clothing getting into the water supply from washing machines?

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Yeah, so I say, I mean, this is kind of quite a new concern. And again, there's not much research about.

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Hmm.

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I mean, what they where they've got to is they've identified that it's happening.

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And they've identified that it's in the water courses and they've identified that it's coming from.

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From the fiber. Now, Again, intuitively you think gosh that's got to be bad but.

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There isn't any data that says that it is bad. So, you know, it's a bit of a cop out, but, I can't answer that question because I don't know if it's bad or not because I don't know if it's bad or not because I don't have the data.

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Okay, thank you. Right, I've got 2 more questions and then we'll need to wrap up folks because we're just beyond and 60'clock.

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Okay, so one from Stuart, question from Stuart. How significant in the school syllabi is the issue of environmental degradation and recycling?

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Do you know?

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I mean, I'm not involved in school education, so I don't know what's, what's in the curriculum so I don't know what's what's in the curriculum but I know there is an increasing emphasis in trying to make science in schools more applied and relevant to you know, sort of.

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Everyday life and the issues social issues. And I think that there's no doubt that environmental concerns are way up the the agenda for for most people, you know, people are concerned, people are worried people are asking questions.

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Yes.

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And that is how things will get get dealt with. And I think young people especially are really worried. You know, they look around and they they see Well, I say that, but I think they're really warm and then I go for a walk and when the teenagers have all been down the field the place is absolutely littered up and you know 3 yards away from a bin so that's the sort without weight making any

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Yeah, okay.

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sweeping statements. So I think it probably goes both ways. I think some people care as some people don't.

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Yeah.

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Right, we're gonna finish off with this question from Sue. Would it help with the super wealthy currently trying to put themselves into space put the resources towards helping with this instead?

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Absolutely. I mean that's why I love Patagonia. I wouldn't normally put, you know, a brand in a, in a talk like this, but, you know, I wouldn't normally put, you know, a brand in a, in a talk like this, but, you know, the billionaire guy who owns Patagonia has just turned back over to a charitable foundation.

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So, you know, all of the profits when you buy, I mean, Patagonia stuff is expensive, but all of the profits go into, you know, sort of environmental products and sustainability.

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And a lot of the, you know, they're using the, the feedstock from the ocean clean-up.

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So, you know, they're making lots of things from this ocean plastic that is, that is coming and they use that as an advertising deploy to kind of try and get people engaged with it.

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And, you know, he buying up vast areas of chilly and rewilding it and stuff with me.

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So You know, I'm obviously you can think about whether they should be allowed to make as much money as they do in the first place.

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But, you know, you definitely think that they should be spending on solving some of the problems.

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That's just a personal opinion. Sorry, I'm probably not supposed to say things like that.

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Probably many of us share your opinion, so. Okay, so thank you very much for that Pearl.

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Really enlightening. But I think all we can see is it's really complicated, isn't it?

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Yeah, like all these things. There's no simple solutions.

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Thank you

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Thank you very much. Lovely to see people. And we have about an hour. To talk about a very fascinating subject.

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I will dive straight in. I'll focus this Marilyn Monroe, I will reference some other Female film stars, I have got a presentation and I've got some short clips.

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I've got to get out of the presentation to show you the clip so bear with me on the technical side when I do that and there will be a slight sort of moment of changeover.

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So let me,

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Get straight into it.

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So. Marilyn Monroe. Has been called a true icon. Like sort of likened to Mickey Mouse or Elvis Presley with a sort of global enduring following and and people still know about her and are very interested in her.

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So we want to take a look at Marilyn Monroe the icon the movie star and what a star is this evening I want to start with a clip so that we can either remind ourselves of what she's like and how we might all have seen her and get us in the mood and see what her persona looked like most of the time.

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In the films she made and then we'll dick into the background. So I have a famous number.

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From How on Hawke's film gentlemen prefer blondes which is from 1,953 which was in many years.

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The year of a sort of the peak of her influence. And success and the number as diamonds are girls best friends are come out.

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And I share the clip with you.

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So there she is in a very famous number. So hopefully that got us.

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Into the mood and knowing what we're looking at this evening. So, as I said, Marilyn Monroe, there's an enduring appeal.

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She's got an Instagram account where you can also purchase things. There is a lot of interest, I think.

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For different reasons and one of the things that always informs when we look at her when she's discussed.

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Is whether she's a feminist icon or whether she's the opposite. This is also reflected in some of you might have either heard of it or already seen it.

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Just the latest in an enormous amount of analysis about her writing about her thinking about her, discussing her is a documentary that's currently on the BBC.

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And in the wider context Some of you might have seen this film. Coming hot on the heels of this Marilyn Monroe documentary is the Barbie film even if you haven't seen it you're likely to have heard of it.

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I have just put together a little selection of all the things that have been written about this film. And of course Barbie in a way she's almost the same age as Marilyn in terms of the peak of Maryland's career, she comes along in the fiftys just like Marilyn Monroe.

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And she has a similar sort of significance and she's being discussed as a figure. As a symbol in a similar way.

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So all of this makes it, I think, very current to have a closer look at Marilyn and what she is about.

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I do not want to dwell for too long on her biography. I just want to share some key facts and figures so that we have a bit of context.

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She was born and bred and lived most of her life in Los Angeles. So born in 1,926.

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Relatively short career because she died of course relatively young she made 29 feature films her deputy was the 1947.

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And and her last film to be released was misfits in 1,961 so really She works mainly during the 1950.

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Just to show a little bit of her impact as a stand, her standing. Twice she won the Henrietta World film favorite female so she won us being the sort of cinemas favourite female personality in 53 and 62.

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In terms of major film awards she only won the one she was nominated a few times for others and she won for some like it hot for best actress in a musical or comedy performance.

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What we also seen though, her huge success in terms of her box office ranking. 53 number 6 54 number fifth If you're interested, you can dig into these statistics more deeply.

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Little bit about her biography and some of you might well know it. She had a really difficult child put.

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Her mother was mentally ill and her mental illness progressed during Marilyn's childhood. She spent a lot of time.

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As a walk of the stage in foster homes and in an orphanage. During World War II, she married her husband, really young, mainly.

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So that she could stop being award of the state and stay in LA. She then became a housewife.

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She almost died of boredom according to herself. So she started working in a musician's munitions factory.

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Not that unusual during World War 2. In this factory she got discovered by a photographer and she started her career as a pinup girl.

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And this career she pursued with great ambition and seriousness. So it isn't the case that she kind of got discovered.

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And then the people who discovered her were kind of building her up and making her big she very, very in a focused way.

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Firstly, Pesuto creates a PIN-up girl and then to become an actress and she took acting lessons and she worked very hard to get into the Hollywood studios and get a contract and start making films.

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And what's really significant what many of you might not be so aware of is that due to disputes with the studios and she wasn't the only actor to have those.

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She found her own production company in the late fiftys. So that's a significant step and shows again her ambition.

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And how serious she was taking her. So also, as I said, She is a star of the fifties and she reflects developments in the fiftys and sixtys.

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Particularly in the fiftys obviously in terms of popular culture of tastes. Social developments and also of what was happening in the movies.

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So very quickly she becomes successful. And as I mentioned, 53, a big year for her and according to Wikipedia by 53 she had become one of the most marketable Hollywood stars.

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And they focus on the fact that she had an overt sex appeal that she also had the star image as a dumb blonde and very significantly the same year that she makes a number of very successful films.

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How new images were used as the centerfold and cover of the first issue of Playboy magazine, which is not something that had she agreed to by the way, but it obviously contributed.

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To the attention that she got and the image that she was beginning to develop.

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And yet, behind that screen persona, behind that incredibly sexy woman and very sort of contemporary.

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Modern in the 19 fiftys sense sexy woman and dumb blonde was a very, very different personality.

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I have just put together a few photos of her that show her reading. None of which are post for they were shots of Marilyn being captured as she's reading and lots and lots of different situations that one of her writing.

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So, her personal, her personality, what she was like as a person was very very different to the image.

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That she had on screen. So how come how was that personality that persona constructed? How did it work?

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I want to show just some very brief clips. Some of her main films and performances they're very very Sean I'm going to play them one after the other all being well that they run and they in chronological order of of these films and again it's for us to kind of get a bit of a, of these films.

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And again, it's for us to kind of get a bit of a reminder bit of a taste of her roles and very typical roles and that persona that she projected.

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So let me aim to get the up and running for you. Give me a moment.

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Thank you.

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A few of her biggest films and her most famous performances and some well-known scenes. And you might see that image coming together that she had the typical roles that she played.

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Very often you know these bl blanche bomb shells extremely attractive with a great amount of sexuality.

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That was very very contemporary and sometimes even daring in the 19 fiftys and sort of represented the modern post-war society but there was also kind of dumbness naivety sexual availability and artificiality.

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So a lot of the time she plays characters who are very innocent. We're very sexy without being deliberately provocative.

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To be very kind of blonde form sharing very natural way almost and that was all part of that sort of modern, 1,900 fiftys.

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Image but she also very often played the girl. And we see her that most of her Characters are singers or actors or models.

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Secretaries. So if also women are looked at where women are performing. So, so which is also quite significant.

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So as I said, how, what, how is that star persona created? You know, what made her big?

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What made her so successful and so significant in so many ways? Let me bring my our presentation up again.

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And we'll have a look at that. Give me a second.

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Oops. There we go. So there are some concepts. That various writers and film critics and film viewers and academics have explored.

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Around somebody like Marilyn Monroe and that is the actor as O'ter. So a term being the person who is significantly involved in shaping a film.

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And what it's like and how we read it. This goes back to the work of a British film.

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Analyst Richard Dyer. And the main theory is that the film star is an image, not a real person.

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And that starts constructed. Out of a range of materials as well as the film roles their play, you might very well be familiar with that.

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We discuss it a lot of the time. We discuss it more in the age of what we call celebrity and online celebrity culture and influences, etc.

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But let's bring it to the forefront. You know, how many actors are not simply actors or character actors and we see them in different parts.

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But they have these personas, their cultural icons, their points of reference. They take on these specific characteristics, typical role, typical personality traits, typical looks.

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Typical personas. And these contribute to how we read a film, how we perceive it, how we look at the characters out there portray.

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And a really good way of looking at that is what's put down here is that you can talk about a John Wayne movie or a Clark Able movie.

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But less so perhaps of a Robert Deval move or a Dustin Hoffman movie who we would see much more so-called character actors.

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They haven't got a fix persona. They haven't got that iconic personality that is utilized.

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Films to contribute to how we understand them. So Marilyn Monroe is most definitely A star, a film star, not a character.

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Thank you. And how we also see this. In so many ways. You know, what makes a start?

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What makes a culture icon? What makes Marilyn Monroe so enduring is How often she is copied for want of a better word.

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Already during her lifetime and we can think of other. Actors or roles or moments or performances where people have copied her reference her as an or a satire.

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Etc. Etc. And I've got one example of that which is Billy Wilder who made 2 films with her.

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The 7 year itch and some like it. Houghton in 62, met 1, 2, 3, which is set in Berlin and the German actress leaves a lot of pulver and placed the secretary of James Cackney who has one of the main roles.

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So let's have a quick look at an example of how the image of an icon like man in row gets sort of copied and referenced So give me a second.

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Here we go.

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Right, so it is a lot of both a very, very clearly referencing Marilyn Monroe there.

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And just one example of Marilyn Monroe's influence. Madonna is currently in the news for turning 65 and we see her as somebody who has modeled herself in parts on Marilyn Monroe and her persona.

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So many films stars and we can say this about other ones will be copied and referenced.

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And and often over time so to speak.

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So let's look a little bit into how the star The concept of the star sort of emerged particularly in Hollywood.

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But I should also mention that the film industry in India, Bollywood, has also got a star system.

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Other industries perhaps less so. So very briefly, the first ever movie star. We can say it was Florence Lawrence, a silent movie star in the very early days.

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The people who were in silent movies and were never referenced with their names because studios were very worried that this could give them ideas which indeed it did.

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So Lawrence was always named the biograph girl. She was in 62 company films and 1,909 alone and then she jumped ship to the independent motion picture company and they had a publicity stand to Advertise that they flatter now this big star very popular and they planted stories that she'd been killed in a streetcar accident and then there now she was alive, you know, that had all been a

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mistake that she'd been killed and they gave her star billing. So she's the first movie actor whose name appeared on Posters.

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And so then, We move with in Hollywood as it established itself as an industry in really utilizing the star power of its film actors.

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And so all already in the silent period we see What female movie stars were like, even if this plate slightly different wrong.

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So Mary Pickford one of the earliest biggest movie stars hugely influential co find universal pictures very often played nice neighborhood innocent girls but on publicity shot like the one here she is posing in a rather appealing post.

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We've got Louise Brooks very family working with WD Paps in Germany playing a sort of vanilla siren, very revealing sort of outfits.

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Clara Bow, another silent female movie star you might not have heard of her, you can see her films in an incredibly revealing highly modern, 19 twenties dress.

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And slightly later on the left as Mae West. Who came late into films based on her Broadway shows which were incredibly daring, most of which were censored, some of them got her arrested and banned and all of that.

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She was a writer, she was a director, she was a very independent woman, very powerful. And yet she was a blonde bombshell and it was very much based on sex appeal and innuendo and men just falling at her feet.

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So from the beginning we see in Hollywood that Female movie stars have something in common. What kind of qualities they have to have, so to speak.

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And we see this here too, and it also illustrates how the movie star image is shaped as I said by varying tastes and times on the left, Katherine Hepburn, one of the biggest stars of the forties, the fortys were full of independent women.

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And Katherine Hepburn epitomises this year she's in trousers we very rarely see her in sexy kind of pose a sexy dresses and generally speaking not having a lot of over sex appeal.

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In the fifties then this changes. And we see Marilyn Monroe again in a typical pose with that with that very very bad sex appeal. She's a platinum blonde.

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So was Grace Kenny, another massive start of the fifties. And both of them epitomized the fiftys.

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Moving away from the sort of independent strong women of the 4 teeth. And film roles. And stars that appeal to a male audience coming out of the wall.

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And continuing the success of Blonde pinups and and Blonde Benjamin's like Betty Grable who were huge in the war years and for the wartime audiences.

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But Grace Kelly of course hasn't got overt sex appear, isn't dumb, she's cool, she's sophisticated, she's unattainable.

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So we have all of these variations. Yet there is an underlying. Understanding of what even at different times and a different focus these female film stars should be like.

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The kind of image they should project.

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Connie Woods in the heyday with its studio system, its vertical integration at the studios doing everything.

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Created a star system, they build stars, they manage stars and they're managed all aspects of it and everything about their a listers the big stars was carefully under their control.

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I have got an illustration here of Judy Garland just 2 very briefly. Either remind ourselves or alert ourselves to the fact that Judy Garland who started almost as a child star of course how carefully her image, her star persona, her work was managed.

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So she is. In adverts of course it's an effort about jelly making it fits in with her personality the kind of innocent lovely girl she's only she's normal she's cooking kind of a thing we see the merchandising that was produced there is a doll there is a collage of her photos that got published, the postcards, the material that you could get that you could order from the

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fan club. There is just one of the Hollywood magazines that told stories about the star's screen romance with her on the cover many many others but again she's homely she's with a tub of tomato, so it's nature, it's small town, it's it's healthy.

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And she is in a kind of wholesome outfit. And of course there is a shot of her at Mickey Rooney, their peanut on screen together, but her studio created stories that they were romantically linked.

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And of course what we now know is that a lot of this control that was exerted on her, the dieting that she was subjected to, the dictating of how she should live, who she should go out with, what functions she should appear at.

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Really took a toll. And lots of romances between stars were manufactured and Hollywood starts a very often last go out with each other to peer in public together to foster their images.

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So it was really, really part of the Hollywood studio system. To not simply promote their big actors with their biggest successes but to have a whole system around it to really create these star designers to make them even bigger.

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To get people even keener on them.

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And there were other icons and other big stars as we've already seen before Marilyn Monroe and I wanted to show clips of 2 of them.

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To sort of contextualize a bit and and remind ourselves of some other big stars. I want to start with Greta Garbo.

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Massive start in the 19 thirties. At the turn of the sound film from Sweden originally of course totally different to Marilyn Monroe she was a dramatic actress a serious actress she played a massive roles tragic figures she was dark but at the same time her remove was that she was mysterious.

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She's a bit like that unattainable female like Helen of Troy kind of a figure perhaps.

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And who famously said, I want to be alone. And even though she played more serious figures, she also is part of the system that as a film star she needs to be alluring.

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She needs to attract. Be attractive. She needs to attract the interest of viewers, particularly male viewers.

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And again, it was a carefully constructive image, the role she was given, how she performed and how her persona around that was constructed.

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Alexander Walker the critic as I've quoted her feminine face, her masculine body, and it was very spiritual and her kind of pessimism all contributed to her persona on screen.

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I want to show a short clip. From her film Matahari where she placed the famous viewers aspires from the very beginning and it's from 1931 so we can compare contrast to the performances that we've seen off Maryland.

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So let me get this up and running for you.

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Hang on. Here we go.

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See, I dance for you tonight, Mr. Bayer, dance and the sake of

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So he's Greta Gallbo, again performing, we see men being utterly. Utterly fascinated.

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We might fear that some of them might throw themselves at her. Very daring even the 19 thirties she's almost naked you know so it's just one example of another female film star.

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In a similar kind of setup I want to say. To Marilyn Monroe.

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Right, I won't be able to show all of the cliffs because this is all taking a bit longer because of the swapping and changing.

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So let's just let me show you by way of illustration. Some other examples at reference points.

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Read to Hebrew. Marilyn Morona, early career was modeled on her. A guild is a very famous performance.

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You can have a look at the clip of you haven't another moment of where female is performing.

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And she epitomizes the 1,900 fortys femme Veronica Lake is another one.

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Again, extremely alluring very often nightclub singers, dancers, etc. Etc. Extremely attractive, lots of blonde bombshells, but also redheads among them.

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It's not just, limited to Hollywood. As I said, it's a little bit less so in Europe perhaps but hot on the heels, I want to say off Marilyn Monroe comes because you, Bardeau, some would say the France's answer to Marilyn Monroe very famously shoots to fame in a Bourgeois.

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And the film and Created Woman from 1,956. You can have a look at her performance and that and it is just like Marilyn, so to speak.

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It's It's just the same sort of thing again. I mentioned Pollywood and even though Bollywood of course is subject to very severe censorship from our point of view.

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Where you can't even show kissing on screen. It has, as I said, a massive star system and Bollywood of course the main genre as the musical so Bollywood stars are performers and dancers and singers and when you look at the biggest female Bollywood stars even they are in extremely what we would say attractive, alluring, daring, sexy, poses for engine sort of standards and this is just one example and

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there are more and even more daring in a way. So even they have to be sort of beautiful and sexy.

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They on and off screen so to speak. Now, so the star persona or the star system, the star's, the stars that contributes to this, but how come?

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Female actors. Are very often have these particular roles to play. Half that sex appeal. Has to be alluring, have to be attractive and all of that.

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And some people would say there's 2 reasons for that they're interconnected in some ways.

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But of course some of that is down to the sheer fact that the industry continues to be dominated by men.

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And so this is the famous Bestel test developed by a Swedish person which looks at what women on screen in films, how are they, how do they appear, how often do they appear.

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And it uses a certain yardstick. It says do fewer than 2 women appear, women don't talk to each other, women only talk about men.

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And as you can see when you look at a representation in movies between the seventys and the 20 tens.

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We still have a system that privileges films about men, men in the lead roles, men driving narratives.

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And being most important, the women sort of being arranged throughout them in terms of the characters and the relationships and the plots and the narratives.

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To illustrate this. Reese with a spoon. Very interesting. She is a modern blonde bombshell, we might want to say.

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Very interesting. Has formed her own production company again very successfully is developing a lot of her own films. There's been a lot of interesting films about powerful women with feminist messages.

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Legally blonde is a great example of that and yet it is about supposedly Marilyn Monroe type character who is a dumb blot who of course goes to Harvard to study law.

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And she in 2,015 when she got a glamour award famously said I dread reading scripts that have no women involved in their creation because inevitably I get to that part where the girl, not the woman, the girl, turns to the guy and she said, what do we do now?

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So there is a dominance of that where women Okay, play a secondary role and their function within films is some people say to be eye catty.

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Now, underlying that some people would say, or coming out of that dominance is, and some of you might have heard of that, it's an enormously influential concept.

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And we still use it today off the male gaze. Developed by Laura Malvey, a legendary.

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Film academic from the UK. And she basically said that the majority of film were made by men for men and for their pleasure.

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And that women were in these films to be looked at through male eyes. To please them to attract them.

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And to sort of be that sexual interest object of desire. In films and said there are many many examples of where this male gaze is at play and interestingly the Barbie film does look at that a little bit and some of you have seen it might have spotted that.

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And it's from an essay called Visual Pleasure and Narrative Cinema from 1,973 and she was one of the first people who psycho analytical context and feminist context to look at film and and to interpret it and she very strongly comes from feminist point of view that says Western cinema has been structured by the unconscious of patriarchal society.

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We could say that there is a male gaze though at play perhaps also in Bollywood and in cinemas from other parts of the world.

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So that's that's an interesting question to pursue. Just to illustrate that before I, oh sorry, that I didn't want to do that.

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Before I have to stop for your questions. The male gaze can be illustrated beautifully in what is probably a very also for you a film franchise as we call it now that you very much enjoy James Bond he is, and the first one, so to speak, in order of things in Dr.

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Now, by Terrence Young, May, the, 1962, and I'm sorry, I would have time to show that clip.

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But this is how we meet. And I'm sorry, I'm out of time to show that clip.

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But this is how we meet. Ursula and some of you might remember it. James Bond sleeping on the beach. He wakes up.

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There is this apparition like a merm It can be argued that her entrance and that we see her singing whilst she's cleaning the seashells.

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It does not necessarily all of it drive the plot forwards. A beautiful illustration of the male gaze.

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She is there for the male. So the female viewer. To be looked at and might. And is it still at play in the male gates?

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Well, let's look at. Die another day from 2,002. Hailberry and in some ways this was intended as an almash.

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To Dr. Noe which in the Order of Things was the first one that was released 50 years earlier.

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Here's a very she's actually a female agent yet we get introduced to her as she comes out of the sea in this alluring bikini and James Bond Spotser.

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He actually is in the bar on the beach and he gets a pair of binoculars to see what's going on and this is the figure.

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Who he sees, that's an introduction. And people, as I said, would say this is perfect illustration that the male gates are still at play and when we think back to the clips that we've seen of Marilyn earlier, they're all there for her to be at mired.

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Even as I said, Greta Gabo in the role of Matahari, the female spy, and very often a much more serious dramatic roles.

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There they are performing for the pleasure of male and presumably sometimes maybe always female viewers. So this is just a very quick look at Marilyn Monroe ask.

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And I come as a female and movie star, one of the biggest female stars ever. What makes her an icon?

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What makes her typical as a female star within the Hollywood system? How do stars contribute to how we understand films?

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How are they constructed? How are they? Constructed within the industry and how do we as audiences read female performers?

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How do they contribute to our pleasure to our understanding of cinema and what we enjoy about it.

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That's all. I've got time for, I am afraid. Thank you very much.

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Thank you very much, Ruth. That was fascinating. And let's go straight to some questions now.

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Let's have a little look here. Question from Jane. Although Marlon Munroe was a persona actor, didn't she have aspirations to be a character actor?

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For example attending Lee Strasburg studio classes for example.

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Absolutely. So Marilyn Rise, I said, was very driven, very ambitious. She kind of understood how the industry worked.

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She was very much involved in the shaping of that persona and then at the same time realized it was limiting her.

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So she was forever trying to overcome it. A good example is the film bus stop. I didn't have time to show a clip from that, but it's the first film that her production company did and she goes against the grain.

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It's also interesting to consider that some of her earlier parts she is in some thrillers and some kind of serious crime films like Asphalt Jungle and she doesn't play the blonde bombshell.

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So one of one of the strategies I want to say for her was to break out of that persona and Just in her life she didn't manage to get there.

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So absolutely that is the tension that she lived with all through her career.

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Okay, thank you. A question here from Judas. Some directors try to show a new narratives led by women, but so many films still have men as the leads.

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Well, Hollywood change before society in general does.

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Oh, that's a very good question. That could be the subject of another session. I think we are making progress.

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Progress is slow and that is I think also illustrated in the discussions around the film Barbie. And when you look at some female directors films and how they challenge the male gaze, it is discussed a lot again.

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So it's I think it's a it's It's kind of Hollywood sometimes running ahead sometimes running behind.

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So yes, we are on a very slow road.

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Okay, thank you. I hope that answer your question, Judith. A question from Sue.

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Is it as much about how these women are treated as much as the cultural images they present? And are we all conditioned by the male gaze approach?

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It was everywhere in my youth. And changing now.

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Yes, I think lots of people totally agree with you. And yes, what we, what we see with M in Monroe and with other female actors.

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Us is that they're often treated worse than they may have counterparts. They find it harder to assert themselves.

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They get paint worse. You know, Marilyn Monroe was not paid very well a long time.

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Even though she was so massive. So they have a harder time in asserting themselves. And being taken seriously as contributors to the films that they make and how they shape them.

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Most definitely. And yes, and this is why I keep saying, you know, when we talk about the male gaze, you know, we might equally enjoy that and we should ask ourselves as women, how do we wreck to Marilyn Monroe?

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You know, how do we talk about her? You know how do we gutter do we judge her you know and do we recognize some of what she presents on screen and what we hear about how she was treated and how she was struggling to assert herself in her career most absolutely.

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And this is also why I think she's such an interesting. Actor and start to look at.

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Okay, thank you, and I hope that answers your question, Sue. And we've got another question here from Carolyn, this is an interesting one.

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And why, although what happens less often, is the female gaze less criticized. Thinking of Levi's adverts, diet co-adverts, that kind of thing.

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Well, that's a very good question, isn't it? I think that, It gets less criticized because it happens less often.

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And I do think and I find this really interesting. I mean, I do think when it happens in films It does very often get discussed in particular way.

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So one of my film classes recently looked at the Clare D. Film of Or Travi, which is about young, a bunch of young men in the Foreign Legion.

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And you see them training a lot in the heat, half naked, I want to say. There's a lot of discussion in the film how we look at them and how they project whether that's okay with their time ever rotten if it's not how is it not.

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So it does get slightly controversial, actually. But we also notice it and I sometimes think we notice that women that we that we are allow the same moment of pleasure.

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That men get and it is very often very challenging and it's interesting when you when you are in films where you have a moment where it's reverted.

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The How audiences react to it and how men react to it and what that causes. So I think it's part of us.

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Recognising the male gaze becoming aware of it, beginning to challenge it and at some point yes we need to ask ourselves whether it's okay to have the female gaze you know to me so it's a very kind of It's a big discussion at the moment and around that.

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You know, and at some point we probably will end up. In the same place whether it's male or female g but we're not there yet.

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Hmm. Okay, thank you. No, we've got another question here which possibly might be our last one because we're starting to run out of time a little bit.

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And obviously Marilyn did pass away in a relatively young age. What happened to her? How did she die?

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I guess the documentary talks a little bit about this.

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Well, Yes, yes, and I mean what I what I'm quite happy to do via Fiona is to send some links.

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A first to the clips that I've shown in the other side I couldn't but also some further reading.

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Yeah.

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The Wikipedia article is excellent, very detailed, but just briefly, Mona was struggling with anxiety and in somenia or her life.

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She became dependent on medication. When she was married to Arthur Miller, they were trying to have children, which didn't work, she had a number of miscarriages and very poor health generally.

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During the last film that she was making and a huge stress. So she died of an overdose of barbiturates and it is believed that it was not accidental.

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Because she had tried to take her life beforehand. And there are conspiracy theories. There are question marks we don't know for certain but the circumstances suggest that she took her own life.

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Hmm. Okay, now let me just have another little look just in case I haven't missed anything.

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And there's actually maybe a couple of comments that might actually be worth. Mentioning. Let me see if I can find them.

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Just kind of talking about, you know, the personas that you were talking about there back in the fiftys.

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And and linking that to more modern times. And There's a comment from Len about they still speak of Clara Bowl lips as a shape.

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Yeah.

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And also, Jill. From Jill, looking at some of these personas from the past that reminds her of Debbie Harry in the pop world, which you think is quite interesting.

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Yeah. Yeah. I mean when you start sitting down it is interesting how many you can see. You know, to me and, and, It's a long, long line.

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You know, yeah, absolutely.

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Yeah. Okay. Right, well, thanks very much for that. That was really, really interesting.

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And I would absolutely recommend to everybody to have a watch of that documentary that's on and the iPlayer. It's in four-part.

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Yeah.

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I watched it a couple of weeks ago and it was absolutely fabulous. Opened my eyes, I have to say.

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Thanks very much.

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Okay, hello everybody. Good to have a big turnout and I think you know I'd like to think some of that's me but most of it's Newton isn't it?

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He's one of those names everybody remembers everyone you know has some mental picture of even if it's just the idea that an apple landed on his head and he had this bright idea, which is of course far more simple than the reality of it.

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But yeah, we all would struggle to understand the physics but at least we know there is something exciting going on there.

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Now I'm not a physicist by any stretch of the imagination. A lot of it baffles me utterly.

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But how'm interested in the man because he is a very complicated, very peculiar man of his time, which is the late seventeenth century, which is a fascinating time anyway.

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And it's a time when ideas about science and Ideas about sort of superstition are still both in play at the same time.

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And yeah, we'll whizz through. A lot of things about him as a person and some of the areas of interest he had and the fact that basically he hardly got on with anybody ever.

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He was not an easy man to like. And in the end you will be able to think about what your opinion of him as a human being was I think he's an interesting chap but I wouldn't want to necessarily have him around for dinner.

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So he was born in 1643 his father's already dead when he's born and the the only story we have about him from when he's very little is that he apparently later told people that when he was born he was so little, quote, they could put him in a court pot.

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And And so weekly he was forced to have a bolster all round his neck to keep it upon his shoulders and so little likely to live that when 2 women were sent to Lady Packham at North Witham for something for him, they sat down on a style by the way and said there's no occasion for making haste for we're sure the child will be dead before we can get back.

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So a very weak little child then. Don't do anything else about his very early days.

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When he's 3, his mother remarries and marries a local minister called Barnabas Smith.

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And Isaac is sent to live with his grandmother. And if If I were a different kind of psychologist or looked at things in that way I would say some of his many issues in life start right there.

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So he goes to live with his grandmother. He still has plenty of visits back to his mom and his stepdad and his increasing family of other step brothers and sisters.

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But he is sent to, I'll be kind of skipping in and out between pictures and My own face overtime, but he's, he's, this is where he was born, Wolves for the Bat walls.

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There, Wolves thought manner. It's harder to say than you think. And yes, he was still going back regularly there.

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And something that's been found there not that long ago is these pictures. On the wall so these are 2 different images both showing the same sort of shape.

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And then this one has something else that we don't really know what he's actually trying to draw there.

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But it is generally believed that these are pictures by the very young Isaac Newton. We think that because well for one we know he was a wall scribbler as an adult one of his adult friends, as an adult.

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One of his adult friends, later says, the walls and ceilings were full of his adult friends later says the walls and ceilings were full of drawings which he had made with charcoal and ceilings were full of drawings which he had made with charcoal.

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There were birds, beasts, men, ships, plants, they were birds, beasts, men, ships, plants, mathematical figures, plants, mathematical figures, circles and triangles.

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So So, you know, when the idea comes to him, he puts it on a wall. And also we know that when he was young A post mill was built very close to the house and these are pictures of a post mill.

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This is a very young lad trying to understand what is going on with a post mill. Which I think is absolutely marvelous.

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One of them was only discovered quite recently. The angle of the light being spotted. And again, we don't really know anything else until he hits about 12.

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When he's 12, Isaac Newton is sent to live with an apothecary in Grantham called William Clark.

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So we could learn a bit of the trade there, but he's also going to the free grammar school in Grantham so he needs to be staying somewhere close by.

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He does really badly. In school. I think someone with that bigger brain is going to either do really well or really badly.

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He isn't particularly interested in the school lessons. He is far more interested in making his own mechanisms throughout his school days.

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He is making little devices. We know he liked making clocks, for instance. This is a sort of description, contemporary description of the things that he liked to make and I won't try to get you to read all of it but can you see here he likewise made a good wooden clock.

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Went by weight in the usual manner and he's probably about 14 at this point. And the rest of this description is mostly about the clocks that he made.

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But at the top here there is another rather lovely description. To pay a visit to Isaac's.

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Mouse Miller. And the farmers readily supplied him with handfuls of corn. On market days.

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So what's that about? A mouse miller. It appears that he actually made a tiny functioning mill.

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To grind corn that ran on worn mouse power.

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We don't know the mechanism, we don't know, was the mouse going round in circles or was it in a wheel?

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But he had a one mouse power mill. I think that is just beautiful to imagine him creating that.

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I say about 1415 he must have been doing this. We know we had a temper at this kind of time.

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We know that he Put up with people bullying him until he snapped one day and basically pushed the guys, the lads face into the side of the church until he decided not to do that again.

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What he's about 15, his stepfather dies. He has, so he has 3 half siblings.

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Oh, a lot younger and his mother. And his mother calls him back to the family farm.

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No more education for you. You've got to run the farm now, you're the man of the house now.

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So he's, dragged back to Walsall. But he hates it.

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He was, you know, he does not want to be a farmer. He's making devices, not, you know, planning fields.

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He absolutely hates it and I suspect because he hated it he was probably not very good at it either.

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And eventually his schoolteacher persuades his mother. To let him go back to school and just say, you know, he's young Isaac's wasted on this.

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He belongs in education. And that does eventually work.

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At about 16 we start seeing some more of his notebooks coming through. And he writes quite a lot of notebooks and quite a lot of information between sort of 16 and 20 and we get some lovely little insights into him as a human.

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From that era. So we have notebooks like this which are full of instructions and recipes and things like that.

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So we have recipes. For different paints to lay gold on anything. At to melt metal quickly.

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To make a hard glue. And the more fun ones are on this side. You can see here it says to make birds drunk.

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I don't know why he's trying to make birds drunk, but there's an entire page with descriptions about how to make birds drunk.

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Which is not a complicated method, it basically involves putting things with alcohol on the ground for the birds to eat.

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So, putting things with alcohol on the ground for the birds to eat. So to make pigeons, portrait, alcohol on the ground for the birds to eat.

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So to make pigeons, partriages and other birds drunk. Set black wine for them to drink where they come.

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Not complicated. Again. Don't know why he's doing that. It's a bit weird.

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He's also coming up with some awful magic tricks where in order to turn water into wine, what you do is you hide a little bit of logwood, which is a red dye in a pouch in your mouth.

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And you take in the water and around and the dye from the logwood will come out and then you spit it back out again and it's miraculously turned into why you as long as nobody drinks it.

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But you know, this is the sort of thing that a 16 year old lab finds funny. And that's what I love about it.

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He seems to, you know, not be.

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He seems to be fairly well in with society at this point. He has friends, he must do to be doing this kind of thing.

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And then it goes to university. So this starts at 1661 and he is 17.

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And he is studying maths and philosophy. Now, again, this isn't entirely a good match for him.

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Maths? Fine. In philosophy he's supposed to be studying Aristotle mostly.

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He is not interested in Aristotle. He pretty much ignores all of his sessions. On philosophy, gets very low marks for them and he's lucky that he's talent spotted by one of his tutors who realizes that, you know, that's that's clearly just not his thing.

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We need to nurture what he is good at. And again, these these diaries continue to show us some really fascinating things.

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So this is his account book. And it's got a wonderful mix of different things. This is all his his outgoings.

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And some of them are to do with his work. Like here, a magnet compasses glass bubbles.

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My bachelors act as his degree money spent on acquaintances. He seems to lend money out a lot and doesn't necessarily always get it back, but he doesn't seem to mind that.

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He still lends it out to the same people. He's giving cloth to be made into clothes for him.

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He's playing books. The history of the Royal Society, which at that point has a history that's about 10 years long, but someone's still written one.

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To my lawn dress.

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At the right of the bottom there, perhaps my favourite.

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Lost at cards. That's twice.

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So, yeah, he's probably getting on with student life while also randomly buying these, these other things.

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This one on the other side you'll notice you can't make head or tail off because it is written in code.

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And that code wasn't deciphered again until, you know. This century, certainly. And it's written in code because it is the most marvellous thing.

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It is a list of his sins. He writes a list of a confession, if you like. And this is a list, it's so in 1,662, he writes 48 of them and then a few months later he adds another 8 onto that list.

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And you can find the whole of this list online if you look up Newton's list of sins, you will find it.

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It's marvellous, it really does show you the human being. There's a lot of, because he's very religious man of course, he's a very religious lad of at this point, 19.

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But he just keeps getting this urge to do things like Eating an apple, at thy house. Making a feather on my day.

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Did not I made it? There's a lot of lying to people about the other things that he's done.

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Putting a PIN in John Keys hat on by day in order to prick him. Cool jokes.

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Robbing my mother's box of plums and sugar.

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Setting my heart on money, learning and pleasure more than thee. Stealing cherry cobs, denying that I did so.

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It's that sort of thing. And then every now and then it breaks out into severe violence. Every now and then it just gets punching my sister.

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Wishing death and hoping it to some. So yeah, there's a lot going on in there and then it reverts back to, you know, making pies on a Sunday night.

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Missing Chapel, beating Arthur Storer. So yeah, back to the temper again.

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Gluttony. Lying about a louse. So yeah, I really recommend you look up and read the full set of them because It's It can definitely be read for comedy, but it also really gives you an insight into the man.

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So he's gone to. University? He's finished there. Plague hits.

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1,665 6 7. And he's forced from Cambridge by the plague.

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And he spends that time, he's back on his mum's farm, probably should be working on the farm.

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Reading people like Galileo and Kepler. And from that coming up with his own ideas. And he later writes, all this was in the 2 plague gears of 65 and 66.

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For in those days I was in my prime age for invention. Minded mathematics and philosophy more than at any time since.

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I mean, how many 22 year olds would say that? Clearly this is the time that I am most focused on maths.

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The idea that an apple landed on his head at this time comes from a conversation that he had with Voltaire years later.

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And he said to Voltaire, oh yes, I had a breakthrough on gravity when I saw an apple fall from a tree.

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There was never a mention that it fell and landed on his head, but you know, thought about when he saw it fall from a tree.

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It's almost certainly made up. There is a suggestion that he thought that Voltaire was an idiot.

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And therefore the only way he could get Voltaire to understand was to use this metaphor.

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So yeah, probably not true, but it's a nice story. So this is the era that he comes up with.

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A lot of things to do with gravity and the laws of motion. It's also the time that squeamish people look away now.

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He does things like this. Just to see what happens. Sticking a bodkin in behind his own eyeball to kind of mark whether where the colors go and how it gradually heals, what happens when he wiggles it around.

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It's all to do with figuring out how the eye works of course. He also stares into the sun for long enough that he's blind for several days.

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Again, just to see what happens. And to keep track of how his vision comes back. So yeah.

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Not afraid to put himself on the line.

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And then returns back to Cambridge again where he has made a professor of maths. Really not anyone with the talent for teaching.

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Quite the opposite. He wrote a whole lot of lectures on algebra, we still have them.

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But he never checked whether they would be understandable to his students in any way. And one of his Friends later said, few went to hear him and few were yet understood him and off times he did he did this in a manner for want of hearers to read to the walls.

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So, you want to do a lecture, nobody turned up, so we read the lecture anyway. To the walls.

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I mean, I've come close to having. Talks like that.

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The feuds begin. The first one is second longest because it's only 30 years, is with Robert Hooke.

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Now, we don't know what Robert Hooke looks like. We have pictures of all the other early Royal Society members, not Robert Hooke.

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This is almost certainly because Newton when he took over as president of the Royal Society got rid of the picture of Hook because there was a picture of all of the society members in there and that one is just Strangely missing.

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So yeah, a hook. Was actually a really, really clever man who did a lot of things in different areas.

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And he's largely been forgotten probably because he disagreed with Newton. Hookies a bit older and he is I think the problem is he's almost trade.

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He's being paid, he's the first paid scientific researcher in England because he's paid to come up with experiments or Do the experiments that are asked by the other members of the Royal Society.

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So he is very good and he's very good at the hands on bit. But he's being paid, he's just doing the manual bit, not the thinking bit.

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He was actually doing the thinking bit but that was probably Newton's idea. And he thinks light is made of waves.

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Newton thinks light is made of particles. And of course, as we're aware, that's an argument that ran and ran, isn't it?

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And they, they could not agree on this and eventually Newton agreed not to publish and on subject of light until after Hook's death.

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That is many, many years later.

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You does have one friend. In this period. This is a chap called John Wickens.

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And according to Wickens Son gives us some great descriptions. Wick and Son is the one for instance that tells us that his father had told him of Sir Isaac's forgetfulness of food when intent upon his studies and of his rising in a pleasant manner with the satisfaction of having found out some proposition without any concern for a seeming want of his night's sleep.

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He was turning grey, I think, at 30. He sometimes suspected himself to be inclining to consumption and he would make use of balsam so he mixed up his own medicines because he thought he had 2 tuberculosis.

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But didn't notice a lack of sleep. It's also at this era that he comes up with that one famous sentence that if anyone knows, you know, we have the Apple image if you have one sentence in your head, it's probably I saw further because I stood on the shoulders of giants.

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Again, this isn't quite what it looks like and it's actually a dig. This is written in a letter to Hook.

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Hook was a very short man and a bit of a hunchback. So when he sang, I am standing on the shoulders of giants, he's saying, I may be standing on the work of some people.

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But not you.

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Subtle but you know if you hook probably not that subtle yeah. So yes, we're getting a bit more of a rounded picture here, aren't we?

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The second sort of Big battle between Hook and Newton comes in 1684. When Ren Christopher Wren of, of some Paul's fame.

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Hook and Hally of Comet Fame. It's a lot of interesting important people in the Royal Society at this time.

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It's absolutely the brightest and best of the nation. All of whom appeared to have no social skills.

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The 3 of them are meeting in a coffee house Rain has decided to offer a cash prize to anyone who can provide a proof and an explanation of the way planets move.

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Based on the inverse square law of attraction between them. If you have a stationary son, then how does that affect the shape of what's going around it?

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And Hook said, I have proof that all these paths are ellipses, which indeed they are.

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And he'd been working on this for 4 years, but he couldn't quite, he hadn't provided proof of it.

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So Red says, well, okay, give me proof. If you can't give me proof, Hallie, can you give me some proof, you know?

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And I'll pay whoever does. Hallie has not been working on it for 4 years, thinks smarter rather than harder, and just goes to Newton.

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And says, Newton, do you know why? And what the proof is that all planets go round in ellipses.

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And Isaac says, oh yeah, I worked that out years ago. I've got it around here somewhere.

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And starts looking in his papers. Disorganised desk and he couldn't find it.

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And so,ally said, well, okay, could you try and recreate it? Could you do it from scratch?

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When he forgets about it, 18 months later. By a different method. And actually proving the inverse of what he thought he was trying to prove.

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Or the, the inverse of the proposition He does. And that piece of work is what eventually becomes the print Kippia, his greatest work.

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He makes it difficult deliberately because he says I don't want to be pestered by mathematical smatteras So, you know, I'm not going to make this easy on you.

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This is this is a thing which is full of marvelous wigs as we can see here.

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So here is a Red Hook and Halle meeting in the in the coffee house there. So yes, that's how Principia comes to be written.

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And As I say, it proves the inverse. Later he said that he didn't bother writing down the original version of this because well I mean It's very obvious.

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No need, it should be obvious to anyone that can do this sort of thing. In the 80, s he gets a new assistant.

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Who gives us some wonderful, again, sort of personal details about the man. We learn here that, He was very meek, sedate and humble, never seemingly angry of, and, and, and, of it of profound thought.

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He always kept close to his studies, rarely went to visiting and had few visitors except 2 or 3 persons.

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I never knew him to take any recreational pastime, either in riding out to take the air, walking, bowling, any exercise whatsoever.

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Thinking all hours lost that were not spent in his studies. So intent and serious upon his studies he ate very sparingly.

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Nay, oftentimes he has forgotten to eat at all so that by going into his chamber I have found his mess untouched.

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Of which when I reminded him he would reply, oh have I? And then making to the table would eat a bite or 2 standing.

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He very rarely went to bed until 2 or 3 of the clock. Sometimes not till 5 or 6, lying about 4 or 5 h.

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At which time, sorry, and also he says that in spring and fall he would sleep even less because he would have experiments going on in his laboratory.

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That would need to be permanently tended so one or the other of them would have to be there all the time.

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Humphrey says he very well, rarely went to dine in the hall. Except on some public days and then if he has not been minded would go very carelessly with shoes down at heels, stockings untied, surplus on, and his head scarcely combed.

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When he designed to dine in the hall, he would turn to the left hand. And go out into the street.

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When making a stop when he found his mistake, would hastily turn back. And then sometimes instead of going into the hall.

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Would return to his chamber again. Yeah, it shouldn't be going that way. And then. Straight back to his rooms.

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He's obviously not comfortable. In public. William Stuckley said he had heard Newton laugh only once.

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And that was when Newton had loaned an acquaintance a copy of Euclid's element.

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And the acquaintance said, well, what use is this to me? And Sir Isaac burst out laughing.

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Because to him, it was obvious. Of course, why could you possibly not realize why you clear is going to be valuable in your life?

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In the 16, late 16 eighties, starts getting also more into his occult studies. And this is very important to him and another side that often isn't.

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Looked at enough because there's just too much to the mound to give everything enough weight. But he really wanted to uncover lost wisdom as well as doing his sort of new discoveries.

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That included interpreting the book of Revelation. And for instance or looking at the proportions of the Temple of Solomon and trying to apply maths to that to see what the significance was.

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And of course a lot of alchemy. Chemistry is in its infancy, so of course a lot of what he does is actual genuine useful chemical experimentation just explained in very esoteric language.

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He's not actually cutting edge though, Boyle another member of the Royal Society has begun to establish norms of experimental practice in chemistry which Newton completely ignores because that's not what it's about for him.

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For him, it's about hidden truths. We have some records of this but Some of them nobody's been able to figure out.

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There are notebooks of his. Which are in such coded language. Partly because it's all this mystery stuff and partly because some of the things he was doing were illegal.

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That yeah it's it's just not been deciphered but we know he was interested in getting gold we know he was interested in the elixir of life But to him there's no division between the scientific and the alchemical because it's all just about understanding the unseen forces of the universe.

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And demonstrating how the universe is tending towards perfection. Because that is God's plan. And that is visible in maths as it is visible, he would say, in the theoretical existence of the philosopher's stone that will turn other things to the perfect metal I.

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Religiously, he's sort of a Protestant, but some of his ideas are a bit heretical.

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He's technically a non-trinitarian area. Which is a bit of a mouthful.

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And that is a version which makes Jesus the first of God's creations rather than having been inherent from the beginning.

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But then beginning, if it's the very first thing that happens, it's a bit slippery.

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Doesn't seem to have believed in an immortal soul as such, which is very unusual for the time.

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And he thought that the universe had been made in such a way that God would need to occasionally get involved.

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He thought that things like the elliptical orbs of the eccentric orbits of some planets suggested this, that sometimes God was going to need to personally set things on track.

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Libniz, said that He's understanding of Newton was that he said that Newton thought that God Almighty wants to wind up his watch from time to time, otherwise it would cease to move.

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He had not, it seems, sufficient foresight to make it perpetual motion.

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He, he didn't want to be in holy orders because then he would have to have made various oaths.

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And you manage to wriggle out of it. It's very unusual being a fellow of Cambridge and not being in holy orders.

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But he managed it.

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The president of the society in the 16 eighties is Because he gets everywhere. Samuel Peeps.

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Some peeps. He's not a scientist, he's interested in a sort of academic way and he likes having connections with interesting and important people.

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He is not a scientist. He admits that he doesn't really know. He doesn't really understand everything the others are talking about.

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He tells on the other hand have connections and miniature stretch of skills and those are very useful to the Royal Society.

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This does not mean he's always making the right choice. So here is a story about the publication of Principia.

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Edmund Halley finally persuades Newton to publish those theories of motion and gravitation that were the subject of that bet.

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And he says, you know, we can get it published. The Royal Society will publish this for you.

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Sadly, there are society earlier that year had spent its entire publications budget. On this. Francis Willoughby's history of fish.

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Big, huge, lavishly illustrated book, therefore very expensive. They printed loads of them.

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And, yeah, we've, we've got, we've got no money left.

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For any other groundbreaking works of physics. In the end, Halle bankrolled it himself because he felt he'd made this promise to Newton that we will get this published, trust me I'll make sure it all you know nobody messes with your words or anything like that.

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And yet. When you look at this, the first edition of the Principia Mathematica Whose name gets to be on the front?

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In just as big letters as Newton's. It's peeps. Don't know how we manage that because yeah, Halli had to backer all in himself.

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The Royal Society then said, yeah. You know, we've spent all that money on those copies of the natural history of fish.

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Well, they haven't actually sold that well, so that means we can't afford to pay you your salary as our clerk but here have a stack of leftover copies of the book

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I mean, really. Isn't that just staggering? Here, here are a whole load of leftover copies of the book that you don't think should have been done in the first place.

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To pay you at a time when you've bankrolled the good book anyway.

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Hook dies in 1,703, which point Newton is able to publish on optics.

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So object 1704 comes out. And Newton at that point becomes president of the Royal Society, which is why.

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Hook's painting does not exist.

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Backing up and going in a different direction. He also has a massive feud going with a chap called Leibniz.

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And, and, you know, these, these feuds, they overlap. And again, this is lasts over 30 years.

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It basically seems that he feuds with people until they die. That's the pattern. He does not let go of things.

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So Newton is working on calculus, which is how to measure the area underneath a curve on a graph.

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And he's been working on it from the 16 seventys. He doesn't publish it for about Over 20 years, about 20 years.

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So all that time he thinks he's Got it, but he wants it to be perfect. Is working on it at the same time, the same problem.

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And he nearly writes to Leibniz explaining his idea. And then at the last minute, he backs out and writes this.

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Obviously it's Latin, but it says, The foundation of these operations is evident enough. But because I cannot proceed with the explanation of it now, I have preferred to conceal it thus.

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This is a list of how many of each letter of the alphabet the answer would have in it. So there is a phrase which had 6 As, 2 C's, one D and so on.

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In it. This is obviously utterly useless as an anagram and yet he wasn't the only guy to do this in the Royal Society and others at that time.

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That idea that, cause then later he could go back and say, well, obviously I had thought of this all along.

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All you have to do is unscramble that sentence. See? It's my idea really, you can't get any credit for it, cause I wrote you that first.

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And this really backfires because the 2 of them end up fighting over who had what bit of what idea first and who could prove that they had what bit of what idea first.

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And there's a lot of angry letter writing and writings into relevant journals and so on.

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This society decides in the 17 tens that it is going to sort out this dispute. By means of an independent committee.

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Well, I say independent. Newton is the president of the Royal Society. He is able to pick exactly who goes on this committee.

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Which I don't think you will be surprised to hear.

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Found that all of those ideas were actually newtons. This does not make Leibniz happy.

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But he dies soon afterwards, so that's Newton off the hook again.

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A few other adventures in different directions start. It becomes an MP. In one. To 90 and in 1,701 he has another shot at it.

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Why he bothered going back a second time? I really don't know, given that it is very clear he had no interest in actually doing it at all.

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Hansard that records everything said in parliament. Tells us that As far as we know, he only said one thing in his whole parliamentary term.

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And that was close the window I can feel a draft.

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Then he starts having a bit of a bad time of it. In 1693. He's parted company with Nicholas Fatio de Duer who was his closest slash only friend at that time.

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They'd shared lodgings together for a long time. It's the relationship that leads to speculation about his sexuality, although I, I'm certainly never acted on anything, whether you had feelings or not, you can read different things in, but masculine friendship between academics was a very different thing that we don't really understand now anyway so it's hard to know.

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And I think it's actually quite unlikely. But yes, he had parted company. His mother died.

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He may well have been suffering from some sort of chemical poisoning. We know that when he died, because his hair's been tested, His hair has 40 times the normal amount of mercury in it.

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So he may well have mercury poisoning at this time because he's doing even more alchemical experiments then than he does at the end of his life.

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For whatever reason, in 1693, he seems to have some sort of nervous breakdown. He becomes convinced that his friends Well, peeps if you could call peeps a friend but he certainly knows him well by this point peeps and Locke that's John Locke the philosopher are conspiring against him.

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He writes to peeps. I'm extremely troubled at the embroilment I'm in.

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I've neither 8 nor slept well. I never designed to get anything by your interest, but I am now sensible that I must withdraw from your acquaintance and see neither you nor the rest of my friends any more.

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He tries to retreat from society. To Locke he says you endeavored to embroil me with women and by other means and there was a design to sell me an office.

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And because of these things I have wished you dead and I probably shouldn't have. And I'm sorry that I did.

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Cause it only lasts a few days, this particular problem. He later apologizes and blames this state of mind on, sleeping in front of the fire and that being bad for his health and him not getting enough sleep and so on

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But yes, the idea that someone might try to embroil him with women. We have no idea what's meant by that or if it was all just in his head, but it's interesting.

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He's continuing to invent things. He's already come up with different reflecting telescopes, better reflecting telescopes that you can have a smaller telescope that does the job of a bigger one.

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He also comes up with something called the reflecting quadrant or the octant. Which is a navigational instrument.

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And looks like that. So in 1,699 he invents this.

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He describes it to Halle. Hallie doesn't say anything to anyone about it either.

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And nothing is known about this till after he's died So that's yet another 3 years.

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Other 28 years so we invented this thing and then sat on it for 28 years. By which point 2 other people have also invented it.

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And then he says, no, no, he doesn't because he's dead, but Hally saying, no, no, Newton came up with this first.

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And this sort of thing is the story of his life, it would seem.

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He's getting to be quite respectable by this point. He's made the warden of the mint.

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He has and actually oversees a whole change in the coinage comes up with a whole different set of coinage which is difficult to forge compared to previous one.

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This is an example of it. This is the the rarest example of it. This is the one that, you know, is a real collector's piece.

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Because it is tiny. It's a quarter guinea. And that would normally be obviously a larger silver coin because this would be real gold and the amount of gold that goes into a quarter guineas worth of gold for a coin, the coin itself is only a few millimeters across.

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And something that that valuable to be that easily lost. Was never going to be that popular I think. But he gets really stuck in to doing this, he's now what in his fifties?

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Yeah, now in his fiftys and he really takes to coining and trying to stop. Clippers and coiners, counterfeiters out there.

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He has a sort of nemesis in the 16 nineties where there's a sort of cat and mouse game with a chap called William Challoner.

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Who used to be a forger but claims to have swapped sides but really hasn't but how do you prove that?

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And eventually Newton does get the better of him and he gets hungry on and quartered. In 1705 he is, Newton is also knighted.

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And this is his choice of Coach of arms. Now the crust bones is part of the Newton coat of arms going back in time to earlier gentry Newton's

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So it was likely he was going to incorporate that into his design somewhere, but most people at this era would then have, you know, gone big with it.

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Instead, he just says, well, yeah, it's a, 2 cross bones, they'll be white, let's put it on a black background, the end.

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And that is his, his. Coat of arms and this is at the height of the piracy problem in the in these so I don't know if he knew about that.

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Or if it's sheer coincidence, but there you go.

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It gets one final feud in in his sixties and seventies. It's time for just one more feud.

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This is with John Flamsteed who is the astronomer royal. And has got a very nice place to do that and a load of instruments and Newton wants his data.

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He's trying to write a second edition of Principia and he's trying to deal with what astronomers call the 3 body problem which is where the earth and the moon and the sun are all interacting with each other which is very complicated maths.

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And he needs the data. But, Flamsteed? Does not want to show anyone the data until he is absolutely perfect and complete.

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Which is, to be fair, the sort of thing that Newton would do, he wouldn't give out his data to it was perfect.

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In complete either but in this case Newton doesn't care about that just wants to know the things.

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And, FUNCTED is also fed up with being taken for granted. You know, he's doing all of this work and someone else always gets all the credit.

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And he, believes he's overworked and underpaid. He said, you know.

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I get the honour of all the pains to myself. But also if I make a mistake I shall have to answer for it but someone else will get the credit if I've done it right.

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So Flamsteed gives the absolute raw data to Neaton. Knowing that this will take Newton a lot of time to make any sense of.

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They write snarky letters to each other. Newton tries to withhold Money spent on the project.

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When Newton's president of the Royal Society, he tries to get the Royal Ordnance to take away Flamstead's instruments saying they need repair work.

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The Royal Ornament says, we haven't got any money to repair astronomical instruments, that's not our job.

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So that backfires. He talks the Queen into confiscating the entire observatory. Farm Steed at this point starts referring to Sir Isaac Newton as sin in all of his diaries.

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SIN

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Newton eventually grabs that star catalog, publishes a short book. Flamsteed complains bitterly.

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This has cost Newton not a single hour's labor or watching. Nor was he at one penny expense in the making of them, but besides my daily labour and watchings, when he was asleep in his warm bed it has cost me about 2,000 pounds out of my own pocket.

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He refuses to mention howie by name at all. Because FlavseED also has a problem with Halle because Halle is an atheist.

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See, none of these people get on it's it's real hotbed of things So this book that this short book that Newton produces.

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400 copies. Flamsteed is furious. Flamsteed goes to the Lord Chamberlain.

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And the 2 of them together managed to buy The 300 copies that have not yet been sold and, a, a, farm steed then.

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Makes a huge fire, a huge big fire and burns a lot of them. 300 copies of the book that's using his own data.

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Newton goes to his own copy of Principia and takes out every reference to Flamsteed.

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So there's even less proof that anyone else other than himself was involved in this. That's Flamsteed and that's that's the Royal Observatory there by the way.

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I'm flamboyant then flumsy dyes. His wife. Publishes his work after his death.

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The introduction to that work is a diatribe against Newton. So, you know, again.

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The feud keeps on going until the other man dies. And that's possibly what kept Newton going for so long because it certainly wasn't his, you know, healthy eating and sleeping habits or the breathing in of the mercury.

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So it is quite impressive given those things that he lives to be, that's some of the data that was he was working on.

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That he lives to be 84. And this is the last picture that he's made of him.

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So yeah, that is going through his entire life. From a sort of slightly odd angle of him as a human, the feuds and the peculiarities and yeah you can decide for yourself whether you'd actually fancy meeting the man.

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Like I say, interesting, but I'm not sure I'd want to sit and have dinner with him.

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Thanks. For that, Joe. What a fascinating man, so much more to him than, you know, the character that we think, you know.

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That's why I called it the man buying the apple.

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Yeah. Okay, so. Oh, we've got some questions coming in now. So.

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Yeah, everybody's been very quiet. Obviously been listening to very carefully. And what Let me just start with one.

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Yes, I wasn't sure if there was nothing there. And Yes, because I'm, so quickly.

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If we're going right back to the start of the lecture when you were talking about some of the weird, slightly humidest things that Newton did as a teenager.

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Guy is saying a for runner to rule dial, question mark. Hmm.

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I would say not because Roald Dahl's things always have that air of whimsy, whereas I don't think Newton ever did anything that wasn't practical.

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I don't think he used a mouse because he thought it was interesting. I think he used a mouse because it was something he could get hold of.

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And use so I don't think there was any air of whimsy in that. It was I says, the mouse to him was no more or less important or interesting than any of them mechanical bits of his device at that point.

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I can't think of any evidence that he's particularly fond of animals for instance.

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There's there's rumors that he kept a cat. Largely because of a story which says that he invented the cat flap.

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This is, this is not true. But the it's actually a bad joke that some of his colleagues said about him was that oh yeah you know Newton needed a Needed his cats to get in now and he had a cat and a kitten so we built a big door and a small door

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And of course you wouldn't need the small one. Because the small cat could get through the big door.

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So it's, it's somebody laughing at Newton for, you know, he could work out the positions of the stars but he wouldn't be bright enough to realise that the kitten could go through the big capital.

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People have read that story and taken from that that he might have had a cat. But I don't think there's any good evidence of that.

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Not a

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Okay, I hope that answers your question guys. And another question here from Andrew. And did Newton publish his work based on alchemy?

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No, no, hardly anybody did. You did not publish on your alchemy. It was secret. You kept it in your notebooks.

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You shared it with the occasional. Colleague in the business. As I say, some some of it probably involved getting hold of chemicals that were illegal anyway.

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Other bits of it were borderline heretical anyway. So no, you would not go publishing that.

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And as I said, there are notebooks. But we do not understand a lot of them.

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Yeah, they're full of symbols and and talk about the rising of the dragon blood and everything is coded.

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The.

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Okay. Another question from Madeleine. Good Newton have been, or could Newton have had autism.

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So.

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Having done the history medicine, I'm always a bit loath to, retrospectively diagnosed people.

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I think it is it is plain that he was not neurotypical. I think if I had to PIN my money on some diagnosis, I think autism is the one that stands out as most likely.

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He certainly from what we know of him, he would take a lot of the right boxes. So we can never be sure.

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But I think if we were trying to look for something which was a good fit. For his behaviour and looked at in our terms, I think autism would be the best bet, yes.

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Hmm. Okay, I hope that answers your question, Marilyn. Now, here's another question from Ismay.

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This is a good one. How on earth did you get acceptance by university when his school record was so poor?

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Where places bought or given on the back of who won you.

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Oh, a bit of bit of both, bit of both. The schoolmaster at Grantham was a former Cambridge man himself and probably knew the right people to talk to.

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I'm not aware of money exchange hands but generally yes you would be paying for for your time there, regardless there are no university.

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Grants given at this point unless you're very very exceptional and very very poor. So yes, partly I think they would take in anyone who had the money and the That's the way I'm looking for sort of came from the right sort of background.

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And had had at least some grammar school education and partly I suspect his schoolmaster. Who clearly believed in him having persuaded his mother to bring him back for more education.

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In spite of the fact that he'd rather be doing these other things than his lessons. I think he probably put a good word in because he was a Cambridge man himself.

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Why he suggested go and do maths and philosophy. I think possibly they didn't have a choice at that point.

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The subjects that you studied, you had to do a bit of those and then maybe a bit of something else.

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Hmm. Okay, well there you go, And another question from Sue, I guess is more of a point of clarification.

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Yeah.

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You talked about, Newton being religious. So just clarifies Protestant nonconformists.

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Who was yeah?

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Well, he wasn't, he wasn't part of Any of the nonconformist churches and indeed his the direction of his own sort of personal nonconformity was not in the same direction.

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He never left the Church of England which he had been raised in but if anyone had ever pinned him down and said, you know, do you absolutely swear to every single thing that the Church of England believes in.

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He would have struggled because he didn't. And that's why he wriggled out of actually having to be a churchman.

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Because he didn't want to have to or couldn't make that lie work. So he is.

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Broadly Church of England but very much on the fringe of Church of England in one particular direction which as I say makes him a non Trinitarian A.

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And he wasn't the only one at that point the intellectual circles were definitely more full of more radical thinkers and people who were coming up with their own interpretations.

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So at the Royal Society he would have been rubbing shoulders with agnostics and atheists and nonconformists and all sorts.

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People who put more faith in their mysticism and the cabala than they did in their church.

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You did at this point have to be a member of a proper church. And if you were not a member of certain things, then certain positions would not have been open to you, for instance, if he had been a Catholic, he would not have been able to hold the positions that he had.

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Because you had to swear roads that you weren't a Catholic to get things like a professorship but yes his own And he writes about it a lot, but it's all in private.

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Lots and lots of letters. He actually writes more on if you combine his works on alchemy and religion and mysticism.

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You write a lot more on that than he ever does on science. So he writes about his own perspective on God in great detail, but he never publishes that because that would just get him into trouble.

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Hmm. Okay. There we go, Sue and I hope that answers that for you. Question from Medi.

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Did not Newton actually steal some of Hooke's work?

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If you asked Newton, it'd say you didn't, if you asked her if you'd say you did.

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As I say, it's all down to this Newton would figure things out, then sit on them.

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Meanwhile, someone else would figure them out and then he would, you know, say, oh no, I came up with that first.

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Like the thing about the gravitational effect as I said the hook said oh no I already know I already have that proof But when Wren said, well prove it then.

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It was Halle going to Newton that brought the information back first. So, Hat Hook already done that work already?

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Depends who you ask. I suspect probably yes. I says I don't think Newton was Averse to taking bits of other people's ideas and just he said that oh you you might have inspired me a little but that's as far as it goes.

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But his idea of what constitutes inspiration there. Might have looked like plagiarism from the other end.

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If you see what I mean.

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Hmm, interesting. And then, a question from, David, you were just talking about good appetite there. Did I?

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Just like, and discover gravity.

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Other people had previously come up with something similar. Other people had previously realized that the, you know, Well, you drop something it falls and Yeah, there were other people who had worked on some of the broader aspects of it.

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Newton comes up with I think I could be wrong the idea that the Earth also moves towards the apple and that everything is affected by the gravity.

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I think. And he certainly codifies it into maths more successfully than anybody had previously. But it's not completely new, it's just Isaac Newton is very good at kind of taking ideas which almost exist in the intellectual scene around him and pinning them down properly and adding in the maths.

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So discover is a, is a tricky word, but. Sort of?

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Okay, thank you. And I've got another couple of questions here. I'm going to kind of put these 2 together actually.

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Firstly from Madeline what sort of people would have bought his publications And from Sue, how did these various people know each other's findings?

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Was it through publications? Was it through lectures? How did they actually, you know?

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Well, within England, more or less anyone who was anyone was either in the Royal Society or within scientific fields was either in the Royal Society or would know people who were.

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And Some people might have to travel down from Edinburgh now and then because that's the next biggest, intellectual center in that way or from Oxford or Cambridge.

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But yeah, they they would all be in the know. Now the Royal Society met very regularly. I can't remember if it's monthly or bi-monthly, but it is really quite regularly and on the back of that they publish a proceedings.

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And the proceedings is sent out to members. The entire proceedings going right back to volume one by the way is all available online.

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And so you can go and read their earliest experiments and the earliest things that they are talking about and it's really quite fascinating.

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Back to the back to 1,660. When it begins. So yes, they would also do lectures.

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They're not often bothering with public lectures because they're generally of the opinion that the public won't really understand anyway.

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But they will invite selected other people in. So for instance the first woman to experience the Royal Society is Margaret Cavendish, Duchess of Newcastle who has written several science books of her own.

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But they are all very patronising and snooty towards her. We have a description from peeps and another description from someone else but both of which are sort of oh she was wearing a lovely dress and she seemed to smile and nod a lot which is absolutely doing the woman a disservice.

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She's very clever. But yes, occasionally they would invite somebody in, but generally it is all amongst themselves.

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As the book sails, that would be, well, as I say, only 400 copies were made of one of the books anyway, so it's not a big upset they're going to each other they're going to the university colleges and of course they going to universities around Europe as well.

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Leibniz isn't British. There are a lot of people working in physics in Europe and probably one or 2 in America, not sure, and probably one or 2 in America, not sure.

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Certainly not as many, but yeah, across. North West Europe. There are other centres in Holland and in Denmark and in Germany.

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With top notch physicists in them. And all of these things are also being distributed over there and of course they're all writing in Latin so It's all understandable by everybody Principia is in Latin.

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Fabulous. Okay, well, I think that is probably us. It's just gone 6 0'clock.

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So thanks for all your questions and Jo, thanks very much for a really, really interesting journey through the life of Isaac Newton.

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And good afternoon, everyone. I'm just going to share my screen with you.

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So hopefully everyone can see that rather a boring title slide, I'm afraid. Get to know the summer sky.

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Well, yes, summer and perhaps what's going on in this country at the moment don't really go sort of hand in hand.

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But you never know things should change and there has been a few sort of clear nights. Recently, so fingers crossed, and I'll be able to point out to you this afternoon, some of the things that you might be able to see in the summer sky.

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So I'm going to look at the main constellations on view.

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And you can, you know, see various lie and perhaps a bit of mythology behind these. And we're also, again, this is weather permitting, get some tips on how to observe a good meteor shower.

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So that's what I proposed to do this afternoon. Now the good news is from the astronomy point of view is that the nights are getting longer.

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Because on the first of August, which was what yes, no, Tuesday wasn't hit. Okay.

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These are times from Leicester, but they're not going to vary too much over the, UK.

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Sunrise was at 5 23 sunset, 2057 giving us over 15 and a half hours of daylight.

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But by the end of the month sunrises after 60'clock sunset is just before 80'clock and the amount of daylight has been reduced to about 14 and 3 quarters hours.

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And then of course in September it'll be the solstice round about the third week in September.

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So, said from the astronomy point of view, things are looking up because the nights are getting longer.

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But if you're still after your nice long days of summer, maybe it's not such good news.

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Now let's just start off with the moon. And the moon is always a fascinating object to look at through binoculars or a small telescope.

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And even with the unaided I, you can start to identify some of the features on here. You can get lots of maps.

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This off the internet. Showing the disc of the moon with the dark areas the maria so-called seas which of course you know not seize their lava hate planes in filled impact craters on the moon, but you can start to learn the names of some of these and I suppose the one that people are most interested in is the C of Tranquility, the MAHRE,

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tranquillity artist, and it's that one there. Okay. Now at the moment we've just passed full moon so that's virtually the view you'll get of the moon if you look at it the moment and if you've got some binoculars you should be able to identify at least a couple of the brighter craters on the moon.

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One of them is this one, That's the pole, southern area. And that's a very bright take crater called Tyco.

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And Tyco has got these rays emanating off it that go for hundreds of kilometers across the lunar landscape and these white rays are streaks that were formed when bit of space rock, large piece of space rock impacted on the moon.

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And the material underneath was this much paler color than the outer layers. So that's Tyco.

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And there's also this crater here, Copernicus, which again you should be able to see and you know both of those at the moment but get yourself if you're interested in me get yourself a chat like this sent from the internet or book Only phone even when you go outside and start start to learn some of the C's.

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Now, there's been a lot in the press recently about The

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Because this month August The first of August was a full known. And the 30 first of August at the end of the month is another full move and these are well sort of special formats that what we call Perry G.

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Falms because Perigee is the point in the moon's orbit where it's closest to Earth.

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I'm just going to advance the slide a bit. I'll come back to that slide again in a minute.

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But obviously there's a somewhat exaggerated view of the moon's orbit around the Earth. It's elliptical.

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So the distance varies. So this is sort of perjy when it's at the closest point.

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And the other point is, when it said it's furthest point. And in August the 2 new moons occur when the moons are Not exactly at the perity point, but it's a you know, pretty close to the earth.

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And there's a lot going on about this in the press at the moment. Because we're getting what we called a super moon because, because the means closer to us, it does appear to be somewhat bigger and brighter.

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I must tell you that Super Moon has got no precise astronomical definition. It's the term that just seems to have gone into, everyday English.

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But I mean, if you are interested in these things, and what an astronomer would call this, is a perji, sizzy,y events or a perjury full moment.

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But, anyway, we'll stick with suprem in because everyone knows what we're talking about.

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But the other term you're going to hear a lot about. Towards the end of the month is Blue Moon.

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Now, in everyday English, we talk about, you know, something occurring in a blue, is something that doesn't occur very often.

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And again, I don't think Blue Moon has got a precise astronomical definition. But nowadays it's taken as meaning the second full moon in a calendar month.

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So here, first of all, just. 30 first August. So the moon, full moon on the 30 first of August will be a blue moon.

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So there's the diagram again. Just to show you this difference in size, probably to the casual observer.

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It's probably not too sort of recognizable. This difference when we get a full moon at perj, this close point and apogee when it's furthest away.

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But if you, you know, take photographs under similar conditions, it turns out that the perj, full moon, so the one we're experiencing, this month.

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Is about 14% bigger than an apogee full moon. But remember the full moon is still pretty bright.

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You know, to say a casual observer, it's probably not going to appear too different.

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Now let's just have a look at, this, oh, you know, full sky chart.

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And this is 11 pm at the start of August. And, you can see, well, it's a bit boring really from the planet's point of view.

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Because the only planets that will be on view And, you know, when it gets dark tonight is the planet, which is down there.

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And I mean, Saturn, which is down there. And I mean, Saturn's got a wonderful set of rings, as you know, it's not a particularly bright planet.

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You know, we've been spoiled over the last few months with Venus and Jupiter, but don't worry, they'll be back.

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The only thing I would say is that the area of the sky where Saturn is at the moment.

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It's against these rather faint this fake constellation of Aquarius. And Saturn will be brighter than any of those background stars.

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But I'll say a bit more about Sutton in a minute, okay? Yes, in fact, I'll say it now.

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Because Saturn reaches what we call opposition. On the 20 seventh of August. Now, what do we mean by opposition?

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Well, it's a term that, and ignore these other terms here. This is the one I'm interested in. Opposition.

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There's the sun. There's the Earth. And there is our planet at opposition. And only planets that are further from the sun than the Earth is, can reach opposition.

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So that means that Mercury and Venus can't. Because when a planet like Saturn is at opposition then the sun, the earth and the moon have got this sort of exact you know, 3 body lineup.

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And it means that the sun and the planet are opposite each other in the sky as seen from the earth.

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So what it means is that our planet rises as the sun sets. It's above the, horizon for all the hours of darkness.

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And it means that our planet sets as the sun rises the following morning. So it really is the best time to observe.

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A planet that's further from the earth and the sun because the planet is above the horizon visible but all over all the hours of darkness now that doesn't mean that you're only going to get good views of Saturn on the 20 seventh August, you know, that's not true, but you know in the weeks leading up to opposition and the weeks afterwards, then it will be a good time to look for

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Saturn. And just out of interest, Jupiter is going to be in the same position on the third of November.

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And we'll see in a minute if you wanted to see jupiter now where you could look for it okay So that's some Saturn.

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On the 20 seventh of August. Now, this was a picture. I got off a website called space weather.

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Dot com that was taken 2 or 3 days ago of Saturn. But obviously this is a telescopic view.

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And you do need a telescope to see the rings of Saturn. And, you know, so at the moment getting nice views of the planet itself and, the rings.

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And that's not really going to change month over over the next few months. Now, if you think, well, I want to see, Saturn's rings, but I don't have a telescope.

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Why not get in touch with your local astronomical society? Because I'm sure that they will have them observing sessions whereby and they'd be more than happy to show you, Saturn through their telescopes.

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There's nothing more an amateur astronomer likes. Then, you know, inviting someone to look through that telescope and being wild by the image.

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What about the other planets? Well, Mercury really forget it at the moment, but in late, mid to late September.

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Prepared to get up, and, you can get a good view in the morning before sunrise.

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Venus has been absolutely. In the evening sky, that very bright object that there, but it's effectively disappeared from the evening sky now.

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However, by September, again, in the evening sky now, but it's effectively disappeared from the evening sky now.

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However, by September, again, in the morning sky, look before sunrise and it'll be there bright and Mars has disappeared into the morning sky look before sunrise and it'll be they're bright and.

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However, by September, again, in the morning sky look before sunrise and it'll be there bright and Mars has disappeared into the twilight and you're not really going to get any decent views of miles until next year.

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So we won't say anything else about that. But, this business about September and Mercury and Venus.

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I'm just going to show you a chart. This is about the third week in September.

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About 5 am. Now this is looking over towards the east. So, you know, some. Will be rising fairly soon.

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But there, you will get Mercury and Venus. Venus again will be spectacularly bright.

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Mercury is also bright, but the problem with mercury is it's always sort of fairly low down.

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But I think in this time in September it's going to reach about the highest position in the sky.

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It can get. So again, I think if you know you're interested in looking for this.

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Look on, various websites. Later on if you've got an app on your phone, it'll tell you exactly where to look for it, okay?

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So, but anyway, you know, come, you know, say third week in September. Oh, we've now got the chance to see 3 planets, Mercury, Venus and Jupiter.

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Jupiter will be bright, very bright, Venus will be even brighter, but Mercury is, it is quite bright.

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But, you know, it's, it's always fairly low down. Use binoculars to find it.

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But of course, if the sun has risen, you must not use those binoculars.

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Now, what else is coming up? Well, the, meet your shower. Now, again, I think this going to be quite a bit about this in the press over the next week or so and they will almost certainly mention it on the weather forecast.

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So we're going to have a look at that. Again, to save, you know, watch what part of the sky and when and what time you can look for it.

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And this is a photograph that was taken. Well, I think this was taken from California. I got this off the space weather website, but it's a very bright meteor or shooting star if you like leaving a trail.

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So, no, so with the If you go out and look at the sky, you know, you're out there for any length of time, you're unlucky not to see a shooting star or meteor.

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And of course they're not stars. It's a minute speck of dust. A cosmic material called a meteoroid.

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Which well, say, burns up. That's the term that's often used. It really vaporizing.

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Doing its passage through the Earth's atmosphere and it produces a streak of light that we call a meteor.

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And as I said, you go out on any night. Then you'd be unlocking not to see one if you're out there for some length of time.

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But at certain times of the year, we see more of these. And this is what we call a meteor shower, which is what I'm going to talk about.

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But let's just clarify something, first of all. These terms that astronomers use meteoroid, meteor, meteorite.

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Because often hear people they say to me oh I saw a bright meteorite through the sky last night sorry you didn't But hopefully, after a minute or so, you'll see why that statement is wrong.

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It's the trouble these words, they, you know, look pretty similar but they are.

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They are different to phenomena, but if you like the origin is the same. Now, a meteoroid, it's a small rocky on the metallic body in space.

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You know, can be as small as a, you know, brain of dust up to, you know, they say about a meter wide, something like that.

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But they are bodies that are actually in space, okay? And you can also get micro meteoroids which are really tiny.

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Pieces of space dust and often find that some spacecraft, you know, collide with these.

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The James Webb telescope, and soon after it was, in operation a number of micro meteoroids crashed into the, the mirror.

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And produce tiny little dense so we're well aware of that okay so a meteoroid is one of these.

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Objects when it's still in space. Now, if our meteoroid gets close enough to the Earth, says it enters into the atmosphere, it begins to bake price or burn up, okay, and fall to the ground and the trail it produces, that's the meteor, the shooting style.

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Now, the meteorite. If the meteoroid rock doesn't completely burn up as it falls to Earth.

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Then the rock that's left behind is called a meteorite. So our meteorite would probably have to be you know fairly large.

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For you know the pieces to survive. And you know going to probably any you know museum in this country.

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Then you might find that it's got a collection of meeting rights. In the Leicestershire area that's famous for the bar well meteorite.

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But more recently, I think during lockdown, there was, a meteorite that fell on Winchcombe in Gloucestershire.

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And this is really exciting because it seems to be a very sort of primeval type of meteorite and there's lots of studies going on on that.

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But if you go to the Natural History Museum in London, again, they've got a good meteorite collection there.

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That's the wrong. Okay. The differences between those terms. So we're going to be talking about the person of meteor shower and this reaches the height of its activity in mid August.

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And this year, the Percy of Meteor shower, the peak of it, so when you're likely to see the greatest number of meteors.

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Because in the early hours of the morning of Sunday the thirteenth of August. That's not this coming Sunday.

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So Sunday after. So that means that the nights of the twelfth of the thirteenth, so Saturday 12 to Sunday the thirteenth.

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You know the following Sunday the thirteenth to and the night of that to the early hours of Monday the fourteenth.

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You know, get out there and have a look because, where we've already commented on the weather in this country.

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You know you just have to take your chance. And it also means that you don't get exclusively on those.

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A bit earlier on, you know, the tenth to the eleventh or later on the fifteenth, the sixteenth, get out there and look.

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But because you should be able to see something. Now, the other good news this year is that the moon won't interfere.

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Cause sometimes with the, it's a full moon and that drums out all but the brightest.

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So things are looking good this year. Moonlight won't interfere because there's a last quarter phase on the eighth of August.

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And a new moon on the sixteenth. So what do we mean by last quarter? Well, it's this shape moon.

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Okay, so this is the. Moon that will you know, rise, you know, after, you know, midnight.

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And you know it's only half the moon there so But that's not going to worry us.

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Now what causes a meteor shower? Well, a meet your shower, because when the earth passes through the dust that spread out, from the debris trail that's left by a comet as it orbits the sun.

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And the particular comet that gives rise to the Percy of meteors. Is that, well, 1 9 P.

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Swift Tuttle. P means it's a periodic comet so it's a comment that's been, you know, we've been observing it, being around the sun a number of times.

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And 109 is just 109 on the list. Swift and Tuttle are the 2 people who discovered it.

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And, time it just represents when we're in the densest part of the dust string and I'll have a slide for that in a minute, okay?

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And the actual peak, you know, can vary the time that can vary a bit. But, you know, I think we're gonna be good for the early hours of Sunday thirteenth.

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Now, one of the term that's used is Radiant. Because if you were to sit outside with a style chart and every time you saw a meteor you drew something on your star chart.

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Then you see something like that, okay? You get these trails of the And if you sort of dotted all these lines back.

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You'd find they'd intersect at the same point. And this point is called the radiant.

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So the radiant is the point in space. From which all the, appeared to originate here to emanate.

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And the name of the shower. Takes its name from the constellation in which the radiant appears.

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So we know that the, meteors, that radiant is in the constellation of. Yes, yes.

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And this is perhaps a better chart. So you need to look northeast and you can start looking. As soon as it gets dark, so look northeast.

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And I'm sure most people are familiar with the W shape of the constellation of Cassia Pear.

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Well, look beneath that and then you've got Perseus there.

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Like that, and you'll also see just sort of coming down like that. A very bright star called Capella.

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It'll be low down early on as you start observing. But as the time goes on, capella and in fact all the other styles will rise higher in the sky.

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So that's how you can find it. And then just look down. And then I'll see it again.

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Well, I can't guarantee you're gonna see anything like that, but. Yes. Just going back to this idea about the comet, the parent comment is called Swift Tuttle.

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And the orbital period of this is 133 years and the comic was discovered independently by 2 American astronomers, you see 3 days apart, 1862, July sixteenth and July the nineteenth, Lewis Swift and Horace Parnell Tuttle.

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And Lewis Swift, well he was a busy man. They discovered 13 comets and numerous and he discovered his last comic when he was aged 79.

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And he was one of the few people to see Halle's Comet. At 2 of its appearances, 76 years apart.

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So that means he would have seen it at the 1910 appearance. So that was 3 years before he died.

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And I'll let you work out when the other one was you can take 76 from 19.

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Let's see. Tuttle and he was a US astronomer and we've got quite a distinguished, and we've got quite a distinguished, military and a naval career and he fought in the American, military and naval career and he fought in the American Civil War.

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No, let's just, look at this. Okay, so. This here, well, there's the Earth's orbit around the Sun.

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And this is the dust trail that's left by a comet. Comets have very elliptical orbits like that.

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And you know they pass around the sun numerous times they shed dust material and this spreads out over the orbit.

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So you can see that. You know, well, at moment. Next week. This is where the Earth is.

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With respect to the. Trail left by Swift Tuttle. So it's starting to plough through back to dust trail.

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Now you might think, well, does that mean we're gonna get some more, when the Earth crosses there?

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I think occasionally that can happen, but not with Swift Tuttle. Because, the orbit of Swift Tuttle.

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Only crosses the orbit of the Earth once because Corby's and comets rather got quite different orbits from those of planets.

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They are highly elliptical. And also very inclined. To the plane of the orbits of the other planets in the solar system.

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So here's some Swift title crossing the Earth's all bit. But you can see it didn't cross it over.

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It's not even that's all bit there, is it, but it's not crossing it over there.

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And that's where Swift Tuttle was about 3 years ago. So, you know, it's just moved around a bit.

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So it's probably approaching, you know, the furthest point in it's all bit from the sun over the next few years.

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Okay, so just clarify that bit about the radiant again in Perseus.

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No.

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Why did we get this radiant then? Why do all the meteors appear to come from the same point in the sky?

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Because actually these dust particles when we can regard them as traveling in essentially parallel paths when they hit the earth.

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So why do we see them like this? Well, it's a perspective effect. Why we say this.

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Now if you think, because if you've got parallel lines and you're looking down those parallel lines, then in the distance they appear to converge.

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And this is a railway line. I don't recommend of course that you stand on a railway line but say you were to stand on a motorway bridge.

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Where you've got the, you know, 2 lanes. Oh, sorry, 2 sides of the, the sort of motorway stretching ahead of you.

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You know that they're parallel, but they will converge at a point. So that's why these, meteors, although they're traveling in parallel paths, then as an observer on the earth, because they're so far away.

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They appear to all emanate from this point called the radiant.

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Okay, so how do you see that? Well, I would wrap up well because, even in the summer, you know, even a nice warm summer night, it can get quite chilly.

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Take a, you know, flask out with you as well. Make sure you're sitting somewhere comfortable some sort of reclining chair Look northeast when it gets dark.

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And obviously find a dark location away from stray light. Best to go out of course with other people from you know the safety point of view but also the camaraderie.

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Point of view as well. Because you've sitting there for a while you haven't seen many meteors nice if you can sort of have a chat and encourage each other.

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And the thing is don't just stare at the radiant. So that point in Perseus, don't just look at that.

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Because, let me just, I'll go back here, okay? That's the radiance there.

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Your eyes are fixed on that point. You might miss any material that's there or there or there. Okay.

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So what you need to do is just scan the surrounding area. You know, Perseus and you know just keep on looking around like that.

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So good luck. And to say we are very much so in the lap of the weather gods.

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But, hopefully, hopefully it's going to be a, you know, slightly better by the end of next week.

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Okay. So it's Saturday, sorry, Sunday, thirteenth of August. But go out on the Saturday nights and make yourself comfortable.

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And, if you do take a style chart out with you. Then, make sure you've got a red torch to, illuminate that chart because otherwise you will ruin what we call your dark adaptation.

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And yeah, as soon as you go out, if you go from somewhere really bright and sit down, don't expect to see loads of stars in the sky.

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You've got to give your eyes time to condition themselves to the lower light levels.

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Right. Okay. So there's.

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That's what, yeah, that's where Perseus is at the, beginning of the month, 7 pm, but of course over, you know, to the next morning it's going to rise higher in the sky and that of course will make it a bit easier to see some of the meetings.

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And I'll say a bit more later on about the constellation of Perseus itself. But let's have a look at perhaps one of the well known features of the summer sky.

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And that is something called the summer. Trying. There. Okay.

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It's a bright triangle of stars in the south. That's and it's not actually a constellation.

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It's what we call an asterism, just a pattern in the sky, a bit like the plow is a pattern, not an actual constellation.

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And the 3 styles that make up the, the triangle. Of these Dennett, which is in the constellation of Cygnus.

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The swan? Vega, which is in the constellation of Lyra, the liar.

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And, which is on the in the constellation of aquila. The eagle.

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And, you know, if you go out, But, 110'clock, so you know, when you're out looking at the you know, just look, overhead.

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And you know, perhaps just turn around to the south and Denb and Vega pretty much overhead.

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And Vega is really the brightest star in that particular region of the sky at that time. Okay, so you'll make up this triangle.

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Alta is the faintest of the 3, but it's still, you know, quite easy to find, okay?

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So, and, as it says here, the triangle points south. So look to the sort of south and.

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You should be able to see the summer triangle. And here's a photograph of, it's an actual photograph, if you can see that.

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Of the stalls. There's DENNED there.

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There's Vega. And there's Alter down the bottom. And you know, Denip is part of the Cygnus, the Swan, the Northern Cross.

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So you can see the sort of cross shape there. I'll say a bit more about Cygnus in a minute.

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And there's Vega there with the liar. Yeah. In a quid of the eagle, okay.

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So there's the triangle there. No, it's quite easy to do. Astrophotography, you know, some smartphones are certainly quite a few smartphones these days are certainly, you know, good enough to do that.

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Or you can do it with a, you know, digital, you know, and this was another photo with a longer exposure time Same area of the sky.

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Dennett, Vega, and Alta. But you can see it's bringing out far more of the background stars.

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And also you can see some sort of How do you miss, that's the Milky Way.

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You do need to be in a dark spot really to see that with certainly with the naked eye.

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And what you're looking at there is the sort of concentrated light from many, many millions of.

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You know, towards the most central regions of our galaxy.

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Oh, let's just say a bit about Cygnus, Swan. But let's have a bit of. Swan.

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But let's have a bit of mythology, first of all. Because sickness is, comes from the myth of Zeus.

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And the goddess Nemesis. Now, had been, chasing, nemesis, it got up to an awful lot of things like that, did Zeus, but in order to escape from him, Nemesis decided that she changed herself into different animals.

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And when she changed herself into a goose though. Zeus changed himself into a swamp. And obviously Nemesis didn't realize that the Swan was used.

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But anyway, Swan won the love of Nemesis. Okay. And then, ISIS then laid an egg and abandoned it.

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Unfortunately, a shepherd found the egg. And gave it to leader who was the wife of the king of Sparta.

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And from that egg came Helen of Troy and Helen was so beautiful that Leda claimed her as her own child.

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And in this, myth here, Cygnus the Swan, was formed to sort of celebrate, the Swan that, used to turn himself into.

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You know there's all sorts of different versions of this mythology so you may know something different.

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So now, so this a star map there. Showing the main stars in sickness the northern cross That's not an official name, but.

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It's a good thing for it. And I'm just going to talk about a couple of these.

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About Dennip itself, one of the summer triangle styles. And then this one down here.

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The beta star which is alberio because i think i've mentioned in previous talks that some styles have got if you like proper names but all of these bright stars here have a Greek letter as a designation.

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Now what about Dennett? Well, Dennip is one of the furthest stars that you can see with your naked eye.

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And we don't know exactly how far away it is for reasons that I won't go into.

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But it's very remote, maybe about 1,500 light years. But you know, other sources, between 1,200. 3,000.

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But I think round about the 1,500 mile is. The more accepted value these days.

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And it's an enormous star and it's a very luminous star, you know, for us to see it when it's that distance away, it's got to be a real powerhouse.

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And estimates of the size of Denne again vary but if that represents the sun. Then that represents if you like an arc of the call of Den.

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It's enormous. Maybe 200 times the diameter of the sun. So, have a look at 10 of them.

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When you look at it, look, remember, you're looking at something that's very far away, but also something that's a very large star.

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Okay, so that's DENNI. And the other one I just want to say something about is this one here beta.

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Which is called, And there is down there. Now, Alberio is one of the loveliest sites in the sky.

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When you look at it with your naked eye. And it's the main styles in the cross.

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You just see a single style. But if you put high magnification binoculars on it or a telescope, you'll see it's too styles and those stars are actually different colors.

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One's a sort of goldy, yellow color and the other one is a sort of bluey green.

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People do describe these colors in different ways because of course, you know, color description is quite subjective. But have a look at that.

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And again, if you don't have the equipment yourself, go along to your local astronomical society and tell them, please, you would like to see.

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So there it is. There, okay. Lyra, the, lia, well, in mythology, this was the liar of, And you know, he made such fantastic music.

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But even inanimate objects. You know, we're charmed by it. And he married a nymph called Eurydice, but she was killed when she stepped on a snake.

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And said to try and claim her back, Orpheus entered the underworld, playing his, liar.

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And Hades again was enchanted by his liar playing So he relented and he let Orpheus bring Eurydice back.

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To the upper world. But there was one condition, you mustn't look back. And always going well until basically the last few steps.

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Unfortunately Orpheus did look back. And so you were to see remained in the underworld.

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And office was, you know, scrapped by grief. And despite the fact he had many marriage proposals, he never accepted them.

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So it's rather a sad story that isn't it? So, but anyway, there's the liar.

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And there's Vega there. I think I've got a better slide of this in it.

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Yeah, here we are. Let's Vega there. And you know, it is one of the brightest stars in the sky.

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And this little quadrilateral that seems to be hanging off it there. They are much fainter stars.

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But you know from a dark site you should be able to see them. And if you've got binoculars, get vagu in your binoculars and just sort of scan over that way.

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And you will see them and other objects. Now, Vake is full of, interest, sorry, not Vegas, Lyra, the constellation is full of interesting objects, but I'm just going to say something about Vega.

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It's the second brightest star that's visible in the northern hemisphere and it's pretty close to us.

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It's about 26 or 2526 light years away. So, you know, when you look at Vega tonight, the light left there.

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Just before the turn of the century to get to your eyes tonight. But it's a very hot star.

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It's a young blue star, but it's bigger than the sun. And you can see an estimate here of the different sizes of the 2 stars.

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So that's Vega. I'll leave that bit out. That the,

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Well, sorry, A, the eagle. And you can make sure that it's out there because there are 2 site, 2 styles on either side of it's outer because there are 2 side, 2 styles on either side of it and an outer is in the middle.

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I look at one of the actual photographs in in a middle in the minute, but, this is based on a giant golden eagle.

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Which served as uses personal messenger and companion. but according to before he became an evil this was a mortal king named Perifas.

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Who was so virtuous that he came to be, it's you know honored by all of his subjects really as a god and Seuss got a bit upset about this.

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And he was about to sort of You know, striking. The intervened and transformed the king into the eagle which we see today.

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So, there we are. So, Aquila is based on a very good person.

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Yeah, so, there we are. There's Alta there in the middle there. And there's the 2 stars on either side.

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Again, if you find out here, just depending on where you're observing from, you might want to just use binoculars too.

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Find those, okay?

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Okay, and again, I'll take it very close to us. It's about 1617 light years away.

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Bye, very bright blue star. And it's spinning rapidly. Okay, they actually, to be quite flattened.

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So have a look for those 3 stars in the triangle. Just one other little constellation I want to tell you about before we look at Perseus.

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And this is a constellation called Delphinus. The, the dolphin.

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Now, it's actually sort of quite faint stars, but they do make quite a distinctive pattern.

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And your eye is extremely good at sort of making patterns. Because if you look at this picture here, okay.

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There's Alter. And so it's the same song as we had before. So, and you've got Deb and Vega off the top of the screen.

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Now, when you find If you're somewhere dark. You better see this with your naked eye.

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Did it? Just scan slightly over in that direction and up a bit. And there's Delphinus, the dolphin.

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And I always think it looks like a flag on a flagpole, to the flag bit is find the opposite way around, okay, but it's quite distinctive.

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There's no mistaking it if you get it in your binoculars or in your naked eye, okay?

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So, that's, you know, Delphi and, Delphinus was based upon a dolphin.

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That Poseidon sent to find, a nymph. And ask her to marry, Poseidon.

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And because of these surfaces, services, he placed the dolphin in the sky, which is fair enough, isn't it?

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Now, to the stars in, Delphinus, interesting how they got their names.

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Because you've got the, alpha star here, okay. And the beta star there okay and The alpha star is called Sue, okay.

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Fair enough. And the beta star. Okay, it's called They seem strange names for stars. It's not based on any Arabic name like a lot of stars.

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So where did this come from? Well, this is an astronomer playing a practical joke. Because this man, and he worked at the Palermo Observatory in Sicily.

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And the names of these styles first appear in a catalog in 1814, these names here.

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Where did they come from? Well, it turns out that, Okay. Kaka kind of the same, Kaki Kiura's name.

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And the English person of that is Nicholas Hunter. And then if you, Latinize it, it's Nicholas Veneto.

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And what Kaki Tori did was he reversed the letters of his Latinized name. To give you the 2 star names.

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Okay, so there's the rotten of. And there's the So, quite a clever thing there and the names of stock. Okay.

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But do look for Delphi. This is a lovely little constellation. Right, on to the constellation of Perseus itself.

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You're going to be looking for the person meet yours. Let's have a look. And this is the, uranium's mirror constellation part, representation of Perseus and the head of the Medusa.

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And I'm not sure I've mentioned these before, but Uranus Mirror, it was a set of constellation cards.

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First published in 1,824. And the whole is punched in the cards whereby you could hold the cards up to say a candle indoors and it would show you the shape of the constellation.

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So you'd be able to recognize it when you went out. You can buy sort of fax similes of these now.

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Yes, we'll take care, right? He slayed the, he rescued the princess Andromeda from the sea monster Cetus and Andromeda was the daughter of Queen Cassipia and King Cepheus and it's quite nice but all of these were not the, but, Andromeda and Cetus and Cassiopeia and

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Cepheus are all in the sky together, like a little sort of family group almost. Anyway, there he is coming in trying to rescue Andromeda.

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And I'll just show you on this chart here. This is a bit later on in the autumn, but there's Perseus.

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Okay, There's Andromeda. And there's And the, I'll see Monster's not on that one, but he's in Sky, I promise you, okay.

00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:08.000
So, it's nice that they're all in there together. Okay. Anyway, so we've already seen that Perseus is going to be.

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You know, since it gets stuck, it's fairly low down in the northeast at the moment, but let as the night progresses and the weeks progress.

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It'll ride.

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There's Persis there. Okay. And I will think that Percyus looks like a chair. Sorry to me. He's not a superhero. He's a chair.

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Is this the seat of the chair? And there are the legs. I think it's only me that sees it like that.

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But I don't think that's any less fanciful than some of these other shapes that, some of the ancient astronomers got out of the stars.

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Now, we're going to look at the brightest star in Perseus, which is called And again, this is an actual photograph of Perseus coming down like that.

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There's the. Seat of the chair and there are the legs coming down and that's myth there.

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So you'd be able to see that. No problem, okay. It's about 600 like years away the best part of and again it's the giant style.

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Over 40 times the diameter of the sun. It's about 5,000 times as luminous.

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So real powerhouse. Okay. But what I'd like you to do when you're out there looking for the meet yours, locate Mayor FAC.

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And then if you got Binoculars with you, have a look at that particular region of the sky around because you should be able to see them something that's called the Alpha Percyi cluster.

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So there's Mia Fact and underneath it is this little sort of semicircle of stars.

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And that is the called the Alpha Percyi cluster. The young stars are say you need binoculars and it sort this several 100 stars in that cluster, but using binoculars, of course, you can only see the, the brighter ones.

00:46:58.000 --> 00:47:02.000
So have a look for that. And again, if you look on the photo, hopefully you can see this.

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There's mere fact there. You see that just little semicircle there. That makes up the alpha.

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Per CI cluster. So look for that.

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Now, the other style that we're going to look at. It's a very famous star.

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Called, and this is beta in the constellation, but it's also called the Demon Star.

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Because the Arab astronomers thought this star was winking at them and they thought it was a bit unlucky.

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Because all Cool. So there it is there, okay? You purchase all the chairs like that, it's the top leg there.

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Now, a variable starts to start the changes brightness over time. And it might be something due to what's going on in the star.

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Or there might be there's something outside the star that's altering the amount of light that we see from Earth.

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And alcohol is of this latter type. What we called an extrinsic variable. And it's what we call an eclipsing binary.

00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:21.000
The 2 styles in the, the system. In fact, there's a third one, but we'll forget about that now.

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As now as seen from the earth. It turns out that as these 2 stars . And they pass that they're aligned as such that they pass.

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Directly in front of one another So if we got this system here, okay. When we've got this position, when the red stars at position one, we're seeing the yellow star is staying fixed.

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Okay. Then you can see that we're getting the combined light of the 2 stars. But then when this star passes in front of back one, there's a dip in brightness.

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Okay. And. You can see it's covering up quite a bit of that style there.

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And then when it moves across to that position there, well, normal service is resumed. We've got the combined lines of both styles again.

00:49:11.000 --> 00:49:19.000
But then, this star passes behind that one. And again, we get another dip in brightness, but a smaller one.

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This time because of the different brightnesses of the 2 components. And then back to position one again.

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So, brightness. And astronomers can plot what we call a light curve. And this is the light curve for Algol. So this is the light curve for, so this is magnitude.

00:49:43.000 --> 00:49:48.000
And again, when I've said in previous talks that with magnitude, it's the light curve for, so this is magnitude.

00:49:48.000 --> 00:49:52.000
And again, when I've said in previous talks that with magnitude, it's a numerical scale and smaller the number, the brighter the object.

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So 2.2 one. It's brighter than 3.4, okay? So, we're getting a dip.

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And then as the was getting the combined light again, then there's the second little dip there.

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And this is for alcohol itself. And then we've got the big dip again. And the time it takes, is 2 days, 20 h and 49 min.

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Okay, so it's quite some. You know consistent okay so that would be called the period of that that variable and you know just depending on the binary system involved the you'd see different size dips and different periods.

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Okay, but this is for Algol itself. And it's really interesting that a man who did a lot of the early work on this was this man, John Goodrey.

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Who live between 1764 and 1786 and you'll see that he was very young when he died he was you know see that he was very young when he died he was you know 2122 and good drink.

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Chile. And, when he was 7, he, well, I think they've moved back to this country by then but they'd it was a diplomat.

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And when he was 7 he well I think they moved back to this country by then but they he became he caught an illness and it left him you know profoundly deaf and you know rather than you know just his parents not taking any interest in his education there was someone called Thomas Braidwood in Edinburgh.

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Who'd set up an academy for deaf children and it's the first such school in the British Isles and in fact children came from all over the country and as far as the Americas to be educated there.

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So Goodric's parents, I mean they were wealthy, but they were able to send him here.

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And he was able to develop his mathematical skills. Thank you. And it was him, you know, he was very interested in astronomy and it was his observations of Algol that really determined with any great accuracy the the period because he wrote in his journal that he'd looked at alcohol as much am I amazed to find its brightness altered.

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It now appears to be fourth magnitude and he observed it hardly believing that it changed its brightness because he'd never heard of any star bearing so quick.

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He thought it might perhaps be some optical illusion. But the SQL show that this change is true and that it was not mistaken.

00:52:21.000 --> 00:52:29.000
So he was clearly recognizing this variability here. And in fact, you say he was working in York when he did this.

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There is this, you know, commemorative pluck in in York and it's interesting and I work, But he also observed another extreme important variable star, Delta Sifi, CFI, which astronomers can use to measure distances to other styles.

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So, you know, if you're in your, try and find that. But, you know, do look up and read about, to John Goodric.

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And put himself on a stamping Nicaragua as well. Aquitations of the style.

00:53:01.000 --> 00:53:18.000
And that's someone Nicholas Copernicus. Actually, this, I know the the publicity of the talk, it mentioned about these not to loose and clouds, but they seem to have died so far this season but I'll just quickly very quickly say what they are.

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Astronomers don't normally like clouds, but they don't mind these because these are called electric blue clouds and they can be seen in the sort of earliest summer months you might still catch some now.

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And in fact, they're different from the ordinary weather clouds, which I can see as I'm looking out of the window here.

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But these are formed in much higher in the atmosphere. And weather clouds are formed about this sort of up to about this sort of level.

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But these are formed in the sort of Mesasphere. And the very tenuous cloud was but they are beautiful if you manage to see them.

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And the reason why we can see them at night is that because of their high altitude because there's our observer there although the sun is now below the horizon okay and all the weather clouds are in shadow because these are so high they're still catching the rays of the sun and then our observer can see them.

00:54:23.000 --> 00:54:38.000
And, that's a picture that I got off a website called space weather. That was taken in Norway, about, you know, 3 days ago, but do look for that quite different weather clouds and you will know what they are when you've seen them.

00:54:38.000 --> 00:54:49.000
But some yeah they are a lovely site but i haven't seen too many this year and It's been, well, I don't think our normal weather has helped, but, that's it.

00:54:49.000 --> 00:54:56.000
I just missed that. And then, Will it be clear that's the question we always ask.

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Well, if you go onto this website. Fair outside. And you put your location, it will give you information, or predictions as to whether it's going to be clear.

00:55:04.000 --> 00:55:09.000
Or predictions as to whether it's going to be clear. You know, if you think put in for the, now, then you know, really can't do it.

00:55:09.000 --> 00:55:22.000
But, you know, generally a day, few hours beforehand, it's can be pretty accurate, tell you whether it's going to be, good for observing.

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So it is specifically for astronomy. So I will leave that. With you. So have a look for the summer triangle and the Percy of Meet Yours.

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You can investigate some of the mythology behind yourself. And perhaps remember some information about the bright styles that I've spoken to you about.

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So just get out there and have a look. Fingers crossed that it's clear and get in touch with your local astronomical society as well.

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The possible meteor watches that they're doing. So thank you very much.

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Thank you very much for that and let's go straight to some questions. We've got a few here.

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I can. Yes, sorry about that. Yes.

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We have run on a little bit. So let's see if we can get through these, get through these, a little bit quickly.

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So now, first of all, Jane was asking just for a bit of clarification about why the per se, is called per seat.

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Now I'm kind of thinking from what you've said, it's because that's the area of the sky where the constellation of Pesius is and that is where we're going to see them coming from.

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That's fine. Yeah, that's exactly, yes, the radiance, this point where they're here.

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Yeah.

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Or repair to come from licensed in the consolation of purse. Yes. And you get other meet your showers throughout the year, they've got different names, the, aquiries.

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The Orion, the Geminids, they appear to originate from different constellations because we see them at different times of the year and they are a result of different comic shower us passing 3 to different comments.

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Okay. And another quick question about, you mentioned, why is it called that? Do we know?

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Oh yes, yeah. Well again, it's not a strict astronomical term. And, I think it's, I mean, I think the expression once in a blue moon, that must have been around for a very long time.

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I don't really know actually. But it is if you actually, you know, look up some data of when, you know, full names occur roughly every sort of 29 days apart.

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So in fact the chances of getting 2 of 2 full moves within the same calendar month is actually quite rare.

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So it's happening this August. I'm not quite sure when the next one going to be.

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It's certainly not going to be in September. So it's probably not for another sort of year or so, something like that.

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Okay.

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I don't know exactly but I think that's it because it's quite a rare.

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You know, someone had the bright idea of calling it that or someone's put 2037 in the the chat is that when the next blue moon is?

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Wow.

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Wow. I didn't realize it was that long away. Right. So yeah, thank you.

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I'll remember that. Thanks.

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Okay. And Catalans asking, are there any, factors. I mean Clouds will be one of them that we know about but any factors like weather or geography where you are that might affect seeing the perceived meteors.

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Next weekend.

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Yeah, well again, you know the weather but also sort of light pollution if you can get yourself away, you know, somewhere dark.

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But. You know, so if you can go to sort of more rural location. But I often find that You know, if you're in your back garden, you know, if that's fairly enclosed, that's all right.

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And if you're somewhere, you know, that looks reasonably dark, but perhaps there's a street lap there, put your elbow up because an elbow carefully positioned elbow against.

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You know, street lights can, help that. And then lots of people putting sort of locations like in there and someone said Northumberland yes it's very dark up there.

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And, oh, and you know, but the earliest recorded English uses of the term blue moon.

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And, oh, that's interesting. And, oh, and you know, about the earliest recorded English uses of the term blue moon in, oh, that's Okay, yes, please.

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Yes, thanks.

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Yeah, I'll make sure you get all these comments. Okay, so. And another question.

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Now this is quite an interesting one actually from Madeline. More of a general question, but is what we see in the August sky.

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No. Gonna be different to what we might see in the August sky next year.

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Right. The stars. Yeah, it is. No, that is a good question.

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Like an interesting one.

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Yeah, the stars will be in the sort of same. Position. But you know, if you're observing on a particular date and time, the planets will be in different places and the moon, the faces of the moon will be different because, you know, the moon, a lunar, month is about 2829 days and we don't get an exact number of

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lunar months in our year. So, you know, the faces of the moon. I mean, I was looking at some website the other day about the Percy its last year the moon did interfere then so when it was a bright moon then but it's not this year so essentially the styles would be the same but would be different planets on view.

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But so you'll still be looking in the northeast for those.

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Yeah, okay, but hope that answers your question, and, now Media was asking about recommendations for apps and websites.

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I was asking about recommendations for apps and websites. Now I think we put together a list last time and didn't wait about various places we could go.

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Yes.

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So we'll make sure that information gets posted up again. Beside this particular lecture recording. So I hope that helps you in Maria.

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And And Jilly was asking, you talked about finding your local astronomical society, you know, if you want to be able to look at things more clearly and have access to equipment and telescopes and things.

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Is there some way where all the astronomical societies in the country, are listed or is it just a case of getting on Google and Same person.

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What we're getting on Google is a good way to do, but there is a body called the Federation of Astronomical Societies, but there is a body called the Federation of Astronomical Societies to which by a large number of astronomical societies in this sort of country.

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Belong. And you know you get in touch with them the FAS, the Federation of Astronomical Societies.

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But it said just Google where you are or your county. And, that would, that should point you in the right direction.

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No, excellent. I hope that helps you, Julie. Now we've got one more question, and I think, and then we'll wrap up.

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This is from Stuart. This is an interesting question. How far back in human history is there evidence of civilizations being familiar with star patterns.

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And why were they interested? Awesome. Good question, isn't it?

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Well that is a very interesting question. I mean, every so often, you know, so often, you know, so often, you know, some of an archaeologist produces a bit of a bone on which they think, you know, someone, an archaeologist produces a bit of a bone on which they think a star map has been carved there's something called

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the neighbor style disc, which was found in Germany some years ago. And that dates back to the sort of Bronze Age and that's meant to sort of have representations of the moon.

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The sun and you know, little 7 sisters, the, but it was important for people to know about, you know, the stars and the, and the planets and the sun.

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The moon because of, you know, it's a way of measuring time, the passage of time, and, you know, planting crops.

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For instance, I know in ancient Egypt when they saw the bright star serious rising in the morning sky just before the sun came up then they knew that that was time to sort of plant you know crops because of the flooding of the Nile.

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And you know lots of in ancient civilizations have got some you know, use various markers like the plaid, 7 sisters that was very important to the Maori in you know, people in Polynesia in general put them in in New Zealand.

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So, you know, it's a way of measuring the passage of time. But, you know, going back to.

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You know, the sort of more classical civilizations perhaps like, I mean, the Babylonians.

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You know, many thousands of years ago, they, you know, kept records of the, you know, the movements of the stars and the planets and it was the Babylonians that first, were able to make predictions about eclipses because they recognized it as a definite period of time.

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Between, you know, interval, if you like, between eclipses. That's all done really by observation.

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So, it's very difficult to say an exact date if you like, but, I think that, you know, every so often someone comes up with something else and you know, some of these, old cave paintings as well.

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Cave paintings at last, in France and some people have put in interpretation that that shows some of the styles.

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But some people haven't put that interpretation on it as well. I think it's fair to say.

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Hmm. So it's a difficult question, isn't it?

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And then. Yes, yes, very, yeah, there's no short answer to that one, I'm afraid, but I hope it has helped.

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Okay, well I think that's, I think we've wrapped up all the questions, I think.

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So thanks again for that and and here is hoping that the weather clears up a little bit.

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Okay.

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And it's a little bit clear here and later on this evening it has to be said and so that everyone can try and have a look at what we've been looking at today on screen.

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And see it in real life

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Thank you very much. Thank you for that nice introduction. I am busy. It's nice to song recognizes that. Yeah.

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Lovely to see you all. Thanks for having me back again. What we're gonna what I'm gonna speak to you about this afternoon.

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Is it afternoon or evening? It feels like afternoon. What I'm going to speech about this afternoon is about color and film, specifically looking at the the quests to bring color to film to bring a sense of natural color to film.

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So we're not going to come very close to the present day. We're going to come sort of chronologically up to the point of a technicolor being affected.

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And we are going to leave the present day for another, for another time I guess. But the real story is about how do we get to that point?

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How do we get from from very early film. To the all singing or dancing kind of technicolor of the forties and fifties.

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So it's really, it's really a quest. There's there's there's a bit of science in it and there's a bit of and there's a bit of art and I like it when those 2 things where those 2 things sort of meshed together is kind of where where I am

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happiest and stuff I am most interested in. So I hope you will be too. Because we're only coming up to the sort of forties by the end of our story.

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We can start very early and it might it might surprise some of you. So have a look at something a film I'm gonna say a color film.

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It's a film that can contains color. For which we're gonna go back to 1894 so This idea of colour film of capturing colour on film or reproducing color on film somehow It really predates sound film.

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Sound film doesn't come along. Until the 19 twenties until 1,927.

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Really that's the sort of the threshold year. But experiments being made with colour film way, way before that and with capturing things, capturing color or somehow faking or reproducing color on screen.

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That's that's artificial. Cinema has always been spectacle. It's always been about spectacle.

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It's always been about capturing people's attention and capturing people's imaginations. So

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This early movie that we're gonna have a brief look at a little bit of is no different. It's 2, 2 movies spliced together.

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One's called Annabel's Butterfly Dance and one's called Annabel Serpentine Dance.

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These are both directed by William Kennedy Dixon. They come out of the States. They're both from 1,894 you would have viewed these in a kinetoscope you wouldn't have viewed these on a big screen.

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You would have, you would have paired into a wooden box to see these played and they would have at that point these would have been more like fairground amusements more like kind of travelling amusements than they were.

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Cinema as we as we know it. So I know what I mean when I say kinetoscope I can show you a picture of it.

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Of a kinetoscope if you were bear with me a second. I've got one here.

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It's not a very big picture but if I share this you should all see kinetoscope such as and you can see it's Can everyone see that?

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It's it's essentially a long long roles of film on sort of pulleys and you peer in through the top the door isn't always open the doors just opening that image to show you how it works.

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And this is how early loops of film and early and early films would have been would have been shown.

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We're going right back to 1,894 for this. How on earth is a bit of film from 1894 gonna be color?

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Well, I'll show you and I think When you see the clip, think you'll realise immediately.

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How this film can have colour in it. So, bear with me a second and I'll queue up an interesting bit of of Annabel's.

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It won't start in color but then you'll see what happens. Let me share this with you.

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I think this has if I have a call right and says no music on it so don't be dismayed you can't hear anything or perhaps it does have a horrible stop we'll see in a second

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This is not about possible planets.

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Oh The The The The The The

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I think what you've probably figured out watching that is that Annabel didn't really have a magically color changing dress.

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She's filmed in black and white. And the prints have been have been hand painted they've been hand-coloured in.

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In order to make the film more attractive in order to make it more of a more of a look It's not real colour in that sense, but it is a way of viewing a colored, a kind of bit of film.

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It's it's it speaks to us it tells us how How important this idea was really early at the very birth of cinema before cinema was really cinema before it was even shown on a screen.

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Don't make us were already thinking. I like this but how can I make it a little bit more?

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Literally colourful how can I get some some color in this otherwise quite dull looking black and white black on my image so it's quite dull looking black and white black and white image.

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So it's something that's occupying even the very earliest cinema minds.

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It was so popular. Annabel's Butterfly Dance, Annabel, Serpentine Dance, the 2 films that they, first of all, the prints that were sent round to the various Kelescope owners to put in their kelescope owners to put in their

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kelescope. They wore out and had to be replaced. And then the original negative wore out and then poor Annabel had to refill it.

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Once the negative wears out, the only choice you've got is make the film again. So she had to, that's why we put the 2 films.

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She had to. Just go make the film again. The other thing that's interesting about it of course is there's no attempt to make the color look natural, in fact quite the opposite.

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The what the film maker is going for is an attempt to make the color look completely unnatural. This isn't color you can see in the world.

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This is color you can't see in the world. And that's really, that's really important.

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So it's done in quite a simple way. Black and white film exists. You know, it's a it's a long strip of 35 millimetre film it would have been made of cellulose nitrate film it would have been made of cellulose nitrate back then so dangerous dangerous chemical

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stuff. And someone literally takes a tiny brush and a pot of paint and I see each individual frame. We use, we paint, we We run film at 24 frames a second now but earlier film is 1820 it's not it's not quite standardized.

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But someone has to paint. Painting the color on 18 or 20 little pictures to represent 1 s in the film so it's quite painstaking work.

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That's take us right back to 1894. It's amazing how rapidly things change and it's amazing how amazing how rapidly cinema sort of matures.

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And and and develops in the states and in Britain to some degree, but especially in France. So I think it'd be quite nice to have a look at something that comes out of France in 1,902.

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And this is definitely worth looking at as a piece of color film. So I want to show you a little bit of a trip to the moon.

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From 900, and 2. This is, er, George Mayier film. Was a huge innovator, a huge inventor, was doing things at this time that filmmakers in in in what Hollywood didn't exist at the time filmmakers in New York and and filmmakers in Britain just simply weren't

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doing. He was putting together series of shots into long long narrative stories and he was using a variety of special effects, painted backgrounds, models, pyrotechnics.

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It's all done with a certain sort of a certain sort of whimsy and a certain sort of humor.

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They're all, they're all, you know, they're hugely charming at the Maya's films, but it's in amongst to appreciating for that charm I think we forget how technically groundbreaking they were.

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He knew. As early as 19 or 2, he knew. Of what his films needed were, color.

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The technology did not exist in any way to film anything that he did in color at that point. Film is simply light sensitive plastic.

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It's plastic with silver on it and the silver goes light or dark depending on when you expose light to it and that's it.

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It doesn't care what color lights it just cares that it's light. George Melier in answer to the question.

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We should have saved that one for the end, but someone put that in the chat.

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So there's no real way at this point to to capture. Color but he knows he wants colour for his films so he's gonna fake it And he's, and he's gonna, he's gonna fake it in exactly the same way.

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That. That's that's done in Annabel's response. He's gonna paint the film.

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But he takes it a step further. It's not just It's not just random bits of color to make things attractive.

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There's a there's a method to it. There's a method and a and a strategy to yes that's exactly the right spelling Stuart Miller.

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Thank you very much.

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I'll show you a clip and and you'll and you'll get the idea before we talk about it a little bit more.

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Now, a trip to the moon only existed in its black and white form until the until the late. The late 19 eighties only a black and white print existed and then some scraps of a color print turned up.

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And so the print that exists now that we see contains the scraps of the of the of the original hand colored bits and then a modern black-and-white print.

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That's been sort of digitally recolored to match the bits. There's enough exists in its original.

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Okay, so you'll see the transition between the 2. But it's, done in a, it's done in a really in a really neat way.

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Why don't we jump in? Why don't we jump in about here? So it's a you're gonna see you're gonna see a whole bunch of, sort of Victorian era.

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They're about to they're about to go off to the moon or go from about here because they're very colorful.

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Bye. They don't have any sort of, spacesuits or anything. They're gonna go.

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They're gonna have any sort of spacesuits or anything. They're gonna go. They're gonna go in in in what they came in.

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So, have a look at this.

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The The

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It's really the only way to get to the moon, I think, being fired in a large projector.

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It's, yeah, it's a very colourful little moment that.

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Everything is hand colored. Every print has to be hand-colored. You can't hand color the negative because when you copy it you just get a black and white copy again there's no way to store the color so every print every real every print that goes out to every cinema gets painted.

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Why do we see the Spanish flag in the second half of that clip? George Melier was from France.

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They would paint in that sequence they'd paint the flag based on where that real was going where that copy of the film was going.

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So that copy of the film was destined to be shown in Spain. So everybody that watches the film goes, yay!

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Our country for the first for the first men in space. So it's a it's a brilliant way of localizing.

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They just wave a blank flag and someone has to paint on. Well I say someone we know who did the painting.

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It was done as a sort of factory operation. And if I show you a picture of the Got a couple of images here that I think are really worth seeing.

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This is the the second share images. This is the path a color machine printing room.

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So this is the one that pathway would have used. There's not it's not exactly the one that Melee would have used but it's essentially the same thing.

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This is a There's some more interesting image preparing the path a color films. So essentially a gigantic greenhouse.

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Filled with ladies and smocks What happens is the prints get passed along. Everybody gets given one part of color.

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And told to do one person. So. You do, you do that guy's purple coat. So you have a pot of purple paint and the copy of the film comes down to you, you go through it, you do all the purple coats.

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And he passed it on and the person next you might do all the yellow hats and they do all the yellow hats and they passed it on and so it becomes like a sort of piecework thing that gets passed around and you can get through, well with a team like that you can get through quite a lot in a day.

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This is the pathway lab. All the Media's films were colored in a lab that was owned and run by a mother and daughter.

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Team, the Tulias, Elizabeth Tullier and her daughter, they had their lab in Paris and they owned it.

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And they employed, 200 and it was ladies, 200 ladies and they would, and they would paint with dye on the films.

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But she's a, she's a really important figure in the early the early Maya's films and he would always, whenever he spoke about his films and whatever, there were sort of retrospectives and things he always pointed out.

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Power, her work and the work of the colorists was in making his films looked, looked how they looked.

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And it is crucial. When you see them in black and white, they look they don't look half as engaging.

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The colour is such an important part of how those films look. Now, it's still not real color, is it?

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It's color, but it's not the color that was there on the day. You can color those, you can color that in, you can give anyone any color coat, any colored hat, you can color the background however you want.

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And that's all well and good but it's not the color it was on the day we're still not We've we've realized the importance of coloring film, we realize the importance of it as a as a spectacular thing.

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We're still not quite at the point of actually capturing color. That won't be a while along for a while yet.

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But that's hand coloring. That's how hand-colouring worked. During the silent era or more properly as well as the black and white era you did have another option if you wanted to if you wanted to have your film.

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In a form of rudimentary color and you didn't want to hand color it. I mentioned earlier on that film is essentially a bit of clear plastic.

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With a bunch of silver embedded in it and the silver goes dark or lights and there's your image and plastic is clear.

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Well, what if the plastic didn't have to be clear? What if we what if we use tinted film?

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But then we could tent the film whatever color we wanted and we could change it for different scenes.

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And what if instead of silver We used a different color metal that might go a different color instead of going dark or light it might go it might go purple or red when it gets exposed to light.

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Those 2, those 2 technologies are called tinting and toning. So you could use a tinted film base which would essentially change the white in your image.

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And you could use a different metal instead of silver oxide. By it quite quite scientifically complicated to do it but you could essentially change the black in your image as well so instead of black and white.

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You might have red and yellow or you could have blue and purple. And it sounds a bit random when you say like that, but actually a whole industry, a whole industry within an industry grew up.

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About about how what particular types of color we might use to symbolize different things because there's no reason you need to stick with one throughout your whole film if your editor can chop it up and put certain scenes in and and you could so maybe a certain color a certain color combination might mean night or might mean war or might mean

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underwater. And this gets sort of codified in the sign area. It's a bit more expensive to do this film-wise, but it is possible.

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So we've got some images from. Let me just, open this up and share them.

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These are all quite interesting. What's the best way to look at it? If I show you this image here this is from a, as a book.

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This is a sample plate as it says the bottom of tinted film stock from Eastman's Sonicrome positive film text.

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So Son of Chrome was the was the the brand name of the of the tinted film base that you could buy that came out of Kodak and I don't know if you can see that in detail but they've got they've got names.

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So you could, you might decide that you want your film to be. Shot in in instead of a clear background you might have flurred a lead or Amaranth or Caprice or Inferno and they're all given wonderfully one of his sort of descriptive names and and the idea

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is that you will use them you will use them for different for different scenarios you'll use them for different for different things.

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Let me show you a page. Let me UN share that and show your age inside the book. Both more at once.

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That's probably the the best way to do it. 1 s. Let me share this for you and you see what I mean.

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So this is the very colorful Eastman son of Chrome. Book which which describes as we go through what what you might use each one for So, we might use Afterglow for low.

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Low radiant we get warm and stimulating, counter flame. You know, there's all of these have different descriptions, aqual green, emotionally cool, soothing.

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And so on and so forth. So we might pick any one of it, a complete gamut of colors they claim.

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We might use any of these. There's, there's, Inferno intensely stirring so they yeah they have they have sort of creative creative applications and, and we can use them.

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To shoot them. This is just for the film basis. The replacing the self with difficulties a little bit more complicated But it does happen.

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So a few things come out. And not necessarily, early movies, but some, some later movies, still used this for quite a while.

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And let's look at a little bit of. Movie called, the second the Sea Hawk.

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The Sea Hawk is as late as 1,940. hair that's all takes place in Panama.

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So, So for the Panama sequences in the in the Seahawk they're all they're all tinted and it's quite subtle.

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But they're all, they're all tinted. So as to achieve, to make it feel slightly more exotic and slightly warmer.

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Have a look at this. You'll see what I mean.

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It's hard news to carry back. They'll be wondered to see only the one boat coming.

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Some of them might get through yet. Might be the captain. That's miracle any of us here, Can't see the lookout I didn't expect her so soon.

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It's funny they haven't posted a lookout. Maybe there's one beyond the charters.

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Feels warm doesn't it? It's a it's only one sort of gradation of color away from from black and white But some of the colours and some of the some of the tented film bases have a lovely sort of lustrous quality to them.

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We'll see one later on that's in that's not black and white. It's pearl and it's very similar to black and white but it just looks a little bit little bit more iridescent and shiny.

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So it's a way of introducing. A subtle effect like that. Or maybe you want.

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Maybe you want something a little bit more. A little bit blunter how about this little clip here from the from the film mighty joe young which is as late as 1,949 in which a giant a giant ape is going to rescue someone from a burning house.

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How might we suggest the heat of a burning house using just sensing and toning. Well, have a look at this.

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I mean in filmmaking terms this is the kind of clip that leaves you with more questions and answers I think in some ways as to what's what's going on and how it's all put together.

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But certainly Yeah, the idea of this is a dark, red-brown and and the and the yellow tent is immediately suggestive of fire and heat, isn't it?

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It's a very, it's a very neat way to get that across, but not much more.

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Cost then than just laying out some black and white film. So that's quite neat. That's just a tinted film base.

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One of the most interesting tinted yeah of course of course joe saves the job of course joe saves everyone yeah it's that it's that sort of movie you don't need to worry about that

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An interesting one from much earlier uses tinting and toning. I think you're, I think you'll probably like this.

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So like I say, timing is about. Removing the silver and replacing it with a metal that might go a different color for the scientists.

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Any scientist that might be might be out there you might use Hey, you might use iron pharaoh cyanide, Prussian blue for blue, copper pharaoh cyanide for red or brown.

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Silver silver sulphate to sepia or uranium pharaoh cyanide for reddish brown.

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I wouldn't want to mess around with uranium perezana but some of these guys were just you know they were just they were going for it.

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And so you sort of wash away the silver on the film and you replace it with that and you've got then you've got a different, then you've got a 2 color image already just with the base and the replaced metal.

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And a really nice moment where we see this is in the 1,927 Napoleon Able Dances Napoleon is like 5 and a half hours long this movie.

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It's fantastic. It's a real, it's a real epic. There's a moment here that I think is really worth us.

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Having a look at it's a very short one actually. Well, I'll show it to you and then I'll talk about it afterwards.

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And it almost every scene is in one a new combination of colors. It's really ambitious.

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I mean it looks beautiful doesn't it? That's a that sort of purple and blue combination.

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It looks really lovely. It really adds something to that moment. It's lovely photography. The interesting thing about Napoleon, the movie, is that that's all had to be digitally digitally restored but but did digitally put back together again but hand died so when they when they came to restore

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the film and the film gets scanned and put into the into the public into into the digital domain. For modern for modern presentation rather than rather than recolor those scenes digitally they did them they didn't buy hand before they before they went into the before they got scanned which is why it looks exactly like it would have

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looked back in 1,927. It's got a, if we had longer I'd show you the ending of Napoleon.

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It has a absolutely fantastic ending that a real psychedelic use of color. It's worth seeking out.

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We'll get carried away and we'll run out of time if we look at it now but if you can get through the the 5 and a half hour version of Able Dances Napoleon.

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It reads that incredibly color offending and it's all you know you have to splice those colour bits in.

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And, and sort of construct the print which is why they were they were quite fragile.

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So we've looked at tinting, tinting and toning. We've looked at, sort of faking the color by painting it on.

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There was work going on at the same time. To actually capture the real colour. Around us. How are we going to do that on one role of black and white film?

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Amazingly it was 2 guys both from the UK that that first hit on the idea. It was the fledgling British filmmakers.

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There are a couple of technologies. One called, kinema color, which was developed by George Albert Smith down in Brighton.

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And another method are called biocolor which is developed by William Free-screen. And essentially what they are is, we, we call them mimetic color systems.

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What he realized is and it must have come to quite some realisation. The way The way it works is a black and white film passes through a camera.

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At a wheel spins round in front of the camera with alternately red and green lenses. So every alternate frame.

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Is taken through either red the red lens or the green lens. So if you're filming a red object and you film it through the red lens and those frames it looks black.

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And then through the green through the green lens it doesn't look black. The light adds to the light and the thing so you end up with a negative.

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That that sort of the shades sort of color that sort of go alternately one frame to another if the wheel is sort of go alternately one frame to another if the wheel has synchronized that properly.

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What you then do is you project your negative back. Through a projector that has the same wheel spinning in front of it.

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So those images then projected back through the red and green wheel. And they and that would but you but you but you then set the red and green the other way around instead of red and green.

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It's green and red. And then so now things that are that were filmed as red and dark are being projected back through the green wheel and things that were light are coming back through the red wheel so they come out as red.

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Do you see what it's the science is complicated but it's based on the on the principle of If you look through red and green glasses.

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Things that are red looked dark through one and light through the other. And if we play that film back fast enough with alternate red and green frames.

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We get a sort of approximation of the colour. Again, scientists among you will know that with that color it's basically can be most colors can be made for red, green and blue lights shining together.

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Why don't we have 3? Why don't we have a blue filter as well? Too complicated.

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So to keep it simple they use an orangey red. And a bluey green and between those 2 you can saw the fudge colors you can't get true blue and you can't get true yellow.

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But by blurring those 2 together you can get a sort of approximation of real-life color.

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The only problem is because you're not taking the frames at the same time. That's the red and green registers are slightly out of sync with each other.

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So you get sort of a red and green fringing on moving objects. But it's definitely a step in the right direction.

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It's a it's a it's scientific progress in terms of in terms of capturing the real color around us.

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And William Free Screen goes around Britain and he makes a little film called The Open Road in 1,926 using this technology.

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So have a look at a little brief bit from the end here. It's It's amazing to look at this now.

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And to realize and to think well this is it looks fake but it is the, but it is the real, the real, the real color that was, that was there.

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Even if the way it's captured makes it look a little bit artificial So here's a bit of the open road.

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The idea. It's very poetic. The whole film is very poetic. It's a real sort of love letter to to Edwardian Britain.

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And that's the real color as the camera saw it. It's not faked. It's just we're only capturing the red and the green.

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And it's so it does slow with an object it's enough I don't know if you notice when there's when the bus moves there a boy runs across the road and his legs sort of fringe red and green as he moves because the the frame rate can't keep up with him so he's read in some frames

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of green in other. In others but it's for sort of slower moving things whether the difference in frame rate.

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That isn't, perceptible. It's a it's the it's the first sort of form of natural color caught on film.

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Now, it's a bit cumbersome as you can imagine this spinning wheel of red and green glass and the projector with spinning word of bread and green glasses.

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It's and it's the version we see now is a bit cleaned up and it it has it's a bit it's a bit How do you inducing to watch it in its raw form?

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So some clever boffins from MIT. In 1,941. They come up with.

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Not 84, 1, 90, 14, and everything that I probably around. They come up with a system that they call Technicolor.

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How about Calmary, Daniel Frost Comstock and W. Burton Westcott.

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From the first 2 of those studied and later taught at MIT. And they build on this idea that maybe we can just capture the red and the green but their idea is that they'll build a special prism that can split light into red and green.

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And capture both frames at once on the film. And then so then there's no time delay between the 2 frames that and that's that's really important and then to play it back you just play it back through that through the special prism again so it's a prism instead of a spinning wheel.

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And that's the prism is an important a technicolor development all technical relies on prisms to split light So the spinning wheel is out.

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The static prism is in. Much the same as as free screens methodology though you still need the film to be whizzing through the camera because you need to be capturing 2 frames where previously you would only catch one because you're capturing the red and the green now at the same time.

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So you get through a lot of film and the and the camera is is being used incredibly fast this version, system technical system one that uses the prism is not very long lived and not a lot survives.

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From that's actually shot definitively in in system one Very first film shot in it is a film called The Gulf Between from 1,914, which exists only as pictures actually.

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The film is lost, but there's a frame of, so you can see a frame here of technicolor system one.

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You can see it's the same color palette that's in a turquoise and rust.

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Calla Palla and you can see how it's the images that have broken up and bled into the area where where the sprocket holes are but it's it's a similar effect to to free screens thing you won't you won't get the the fringing this is only their first

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try. At, at, at, at, at, and they very quickly come up with technical assistance too.

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Now, Tender Comey system too is a bit more. It expands on that technology a bit.

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So we still use the prism and we still capture both at once. But what if we then took that film?

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And did a process called step printing. So we print all the odd all the odd frames on one roll of film and then all the even frames on the other roll of film.

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And then we dye that one red and we dye that one green. And then we stick them together and it should have the same effect as playing back through the prison because the odd ones have gone through the old ones to the reds.

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And they and they even ones to the green or vice versa. I can never be sure which way around it is.

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So you make the subtractive color print by step, step printing. They make it on special half thickness film by way for thin film.

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And then the idea is that those 2 films get glued together. The red and the green and then that gets put through the through the projector.

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You can imagine everything that can go wrong with that. The glue comes undone, the half thickness, on breaks and splits and the red and green get out of sync.

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So it's it's not a perfect solution. But it's a better one. And some movies get made in this period so there's a film that comes out that's that's a good technical assistant to is Movical the toll of the sea this is from 1922 I can

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share. I'll have a look at this from the from the top the toll of the sea.

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It starts out like.

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So you can see the color palette is still very much this 2 strip color palette which still only really got turquoise blue and rusty red and the colors that you can make by mixing those together which aren't very much.

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We're really missing that third real. But there's no color fringing. The red and the green are quite neat.

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Technologically in terms of captain that feel it feels better it feels less wobbly in the free screen stuff.

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And a few of these, a few of things that shot like this survive. A whole bunch turned up in the BFI a few years ago.

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You can see them on YouTube. Briony Dixon talks about them and they're They they've been chopped up and used as leader film for other for other films and so it's it's a it's about 20 films but only about 2 s of each film and they're amazing but

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they're couldn't change you now there's so many of them but they've been chopped and the reason she recognized him is because she could she spotted that they were too strict because 1 one image comes upside down and anyway.

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So they all turned up at the BFI but in terms of in terms of whole films the title of the C is definitely the first.

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So you've got these problems though. You're shooting your with their being that the image is on This way for thin film that has to be glued together.

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So. We need a new system. So we get technical assistance 3. So then they think well instead of Once we've got the red instead of making the red and green on these thin films sticking them together What if we used a method called Diamond Bibing, which is basically like potato printing?

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So imagine your role of film is like a potato. Okay, if you can. The silver, the or the metal sticks out.

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So once you've got all the reds on one role and all the queens on another You can cover that in green ink.

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And then stamp it onto a clean bit of film. And then you get the reds and cover those in Reading and stamp that onto the same bit of clean film.

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And it's like, so like you like kids at primary school, chop up a potato and use it to make prints.

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It's exactly the same method. And so that way you don't need to have the 2 2 strips of thin film that can card and break and crack.

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And that's Technicolor system 3. And off the off the 2 strip We call it 2 step of the 2 color technic other methods.

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It's the most advanced because the the prints it makes are really nice and really and really stable.

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So, a movie. That uses that that I think we work a look at is a film called King of Jazz.

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King of Jazz is fantastic. It's from 1,930. It's a it's a musical.

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It's like a it's just it's just wall to war musical numbers really it's like a review.

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It's the Paul Whiteman band. And they really make a big fuss over having this, almost natural looking kind of red and green and now and the technologies love them to make a much sharper much cleaner image.

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So we just have a little bit of a King of John so you've seen it.

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Everything of course still has to be green. This this song is called Rapseody in Blue. Of course they can't do blue.

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So it's Ramsi and green really.

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Some kind of practical effects going on as well. It's really it's really very neat. It's a it's a lovely movie it's just like going and watching a really silly stage show it's just wall to wall numbers.

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Bing Crosby makes his first appearance in this film with the rhythm Boys his first appearance in this film with the rhythm boys they do it they to a number it's it's great fun and the sisters G who were a German dance act pair of sisters who are a German dance act pair of sisters who dance in a lot of musicals one of

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their sisters who dance in a lot of musicals one of their one of their rare surviving films is one of their one of their rare surviving films is lovely King of Jazz.

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But it looks nice, doesn't it? It looks. The color the color capture is is it's very clean We're still only 2 colours, we're still missing the blue.

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But it's it's it feels refined. It feels like this is the sort of culmination of the 2 strip technique color.

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So we've got to bring our story up to the before we before we stop for questions. We've got to bring our story up.

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I promise we'd end up with with the with the full as we know it What they do is as nice as this looks in in in 1,930 that it's it's still too stylized to really capture the world as it is.

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So they go away and they develop. Technical assistance for and they finally bite the bullet and go do you know what We're going to need we're going to need blue.

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We're going to need 3 reels. So the way a technicolor system for works is we keep the prism.

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So the light comes in the camera lens. And the prism splits the light into its red, green and blue.

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Separations and then 3 rolls of black and white film. Capture the Reds, the Greens and the Blues.

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And then you get the site that you develop that black and white film and you die. You die each role in the corresponding color and then when you squish them together and project them together the full colour is restored but it's a certain type of color it's a certain type of very colorful technicolor color.

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And technically I had a consultant. Who would come on your film if you made a film and you wanted to have the technicolor logo at the beginning the consultant was for a long time it was Natalie Kalmu the ex-wife of the guy who invented it and he basically sent her around

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the world to film sets and she would come on your set and she'd go that guy's hat needs to be more red or that wall needs to be green or that piano needs to be blue.

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To show off the glories of the glories of Technicolor as as as on as as as as on as as as as on as as as on as as as on as as as as on as as as as on as as So a technical film in storage exists as 3 roles of black and white film.

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So if you want to restore it to any kind of film, all you need is it doesn't fade because it's not colour.

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It's 3 rolls of black and white film. If you know what color to die those 3.

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The red, green and blue. You can always bring the color back. It doesn't fade like beta color film.

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So one of what I think the very first or one of the right first, not the very first, and to shame I've got a better quality of this.

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Things shot in 3 strip is Becky Sharp in 1,935.

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What's notable it's it's Becky's top it's it's the vanity fair story.

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What's notable about it is although this print of it it really needs restoration this principle doesn't really show It's everybody's suddenly got blonde hair and blue dresses and it's like the film is going to great lengths to show.

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We can show it all now we can do all these colours. So have a quick look at Becky Sharp and then we'll finish with something.

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It's something else.

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Elizabeth. Okay. Lines to Amelia upon leaving Miss Pinkerton's academy.

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Okay. Farewell, farewell. Sweet friend of childhood years.

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So although this print is a bit faded and a bit wonky, you can suddenly, that's colors we haven't been able to see up to now isn't it the blue the yellow of their hair it's all it's all suddenly available that that palette with with the three-strip technicolor

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it's the most important so we've arrived. I want to end with something that that shows this three-strip technical area in all its glory.

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And it's probably the most famous. The most famous technicolor movie and plays a little trick on us.

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And that's the Wizard of Oz. So, 1,900, and 39, the was a, so the technology had a few years to, bed in.

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Famously of course the ruby slippers in the Wizard of Oz are silver slippers in the book but Noel Langley the screenwriter said no for filming this in Technicolor.

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The steppers are going to be a colour. Silver's not a colour so we'll have ruby steppers.

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It's the most colourful film ever. You've got, and color plays a big role in it.

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Ruby slippers, Yellow Brick Road. It's it's an amazingly sort of You look at it now and it almost it almost gives you a toothache.

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It's so it's so kind of it's so bright but it's really like a gauntlet thrown down it's like we've done it we're here we can reproduce pretty much any color now and technical has sort of fully arrived.

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But it has this very neat little, it plays a gag on us in the first sort of almost 20 min.

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Oh, I filmed in CPI. I said I'd show you something that was filmed in Pearl.

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I think I think that the the farm scenes are formed in Pearl and then we have this transition to full technical art as a duty-armed exits that the house.

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So have a look at this and enjoy a little colourful bit of the wizard of Oz to finish up.

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Oh. It's almost like a cinematic in joke really. The opening of the door onto a tactic, the opening of the door onto a technic other world.

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It is the opening of the door onto a technical world. It is very much saying we have arrived and we can do this now.

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And technical, you know, it sticks around for many, many years until it gets replaced by cheaper, less good.

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Sort of film that can Does it comp it all in one film role? That's not to the sixtys or seventies.

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That's maybe a story for another day. I promised I'd wrap up in time for questions so what a lovely place to end this journey to technical run.

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And, yeah, I'm, for some questions. So let me come out of that.

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And thank you all very much.

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Thanks very much, Christopher. I didn't know we were gonna end on that. That's one of my favorite films I have to say.

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Nice for you.

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So yeah, so okay, we've got a couple of questions here. If anyone's got any other questions, put them in the chat and we'll have a look at them.

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We're going to go right back to the start when we were looking at, I think it was Annabel's butterfly dance was it?

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And Brian's asking and Annabel almost seems to even. We could be more likely that sections of the film predict and die rather than painted.

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I think there are some bits where I ended it at the bit where it's where the whole frame goes purple.

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And bits are that is where where the whole frame has died. But 35 film is quite big.

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It's big enough for it to be very little palette for you to paint on if you've got a little magnifying glass.

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So II believe it's all hand done. It would be very hard to get those transitions from one color to another.

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They would be very hard to get those transitions from one color to another. They just sort of. Do it frame by frame and just sort of change colors in it and it fades through so I think that that shows that it's done by hand.

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Okay, there you go, Brian. And also we had a question for Sue.

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Now I think Sue asked this when we were looking at the George and Flip and and she's asking what kind of paint dye did they use?

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Is it anything like the recent coloring of World War One films.

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That's a really interesting question. Because I mean, I think all the recent stuff is done digitally.

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I don't think very much is done by hand anymore. They must be painting using. It must be a transparent medium.

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So they can't make the film opaque by painting on it because then because then that bit of the image would turn black.

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Light has to pass through film to make it work. So I don't know for sure. I've always imagined they're painting with some kind of watery acrylic or something on the and the film is plastic so something that sits comfortably on the plastic and can curl.

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So it's a really good question. I one I don't know the answer to completely but it would have to like I say it has to be paint that's transparent and it can curl because the film film through a projector takes a very How early, so if it was a film like an enamel that was

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that wants to be flat it would just crap an all flake off so it's more of a sort of stain than a paint it's more of a kind of a paint. It's more of a kind of dye.

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So I guess they're using maybe like analogies or something to do it. That's an interesting question though and I wish I knew the answer to that but I wonder if I can find that out now.

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But the moment stuff like the facial not-ro-old, all that kind of stuff is done, is done digitally I think now.

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I can't imagine anyone really gets there. Although, you know, the trip to the moon we looked at.

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That was done to the park. That's partially digital and

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Okay. Right. Actually question here from David.

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This is quite an interesting one actually. Can black and white films actually be better than color.

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Yeah.

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I mean, any answer I give you is gonna be, it's gonna be subject and and your mileage may vary as they say but I do think there's definitely scope for either being better.

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I can see why early filmmakers wanted colour. And because It I mean it's it's hard to overstate how much very early film is about spectacle.

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Yeah, come and see this and they. That the Melbourne's in particular grow out of magic lantern slides which would have all been color so to see those in black and white would have felt like a downgrade.

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But if you look at For example, Warner Brothers films of the fortys, that great run of Warner Brothers films, things like Morties Fork and Casablanca.

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All those movies they did all shot black and white and they just they look gorgeous on screen those would be those would wouldn't look at all right if they were in color.

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There's something about those films that the black and white is so evocative and Cinematographers that worked in black and white.

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Got incredibly good at lighting for black and white. And light in black and white is very different to lighting for colour.

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So if you've got a good cinematographer and a good cameraman that's trained in in how to really light for black and white and you use black and white as an artistic choice.

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I think it can absolutely be. Be better. It's horses for courses. And then you know you look at things that are done kind of cheaply in color when the cheaper color films come along in the sixtys and seventys you get lots of stuff filmed in color that just looks a bit garish and a bit horrible.

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And you think well yeah there's no that's not as valuable as a really well-lit and well-made black and white film so yeah it's it's program dependent.

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It depends on what you're filming and depends on the skill of who's doing it. But absolutely the

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The films that David was thinking about were Manhattan and Raging Bill.

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Yeah. Of course. I mean, Raging Bullets is, it's a, in some ways it's visually a sort of homage to, early cinema and it's interesting that you know both those films come from that era of the instead of so-called New Hollywood.

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In the seventies you get all those filmmakers coming through who have been to film school. And they've started film and they're the first generation that's been able to do that.

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If you were a filmmaker in the thirties and fortys. You would have learned on the job, you would have gone in as a as a teaboy and then someone would have let you play with the camera and then 10 years time you're making films.

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But this generation that made the generation you have your Buddy Alan's in your mom's class says they went to film school they were able to study film so they were able to think, there may be a creative reason for using black and white.

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It wasn't just, it wasn't just a mandated thing that we have to use the best available technology.

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So that's a real hallmark I think of films from that era that you may choose to use technology that you don't have to use.

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For creative reasons and certainly some of the photography and raging Bolt is glorious in black and white and would not work in color at all.

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Some of it would be too bloody in that in color. The fight at the end, gets knocked down.

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It'd be it'd be horrible. It'd be really gruesome. In black and white it looks So yeah, I agree on those on both those fronts.

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Okay.

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I agree.

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Yeah, and Amanda's saying, and she's another comment more than that question. I suppose Amanda's saying the film Ivan the Terrible is in black and white but with a burst of colour to great effect.

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Hmm.

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Yes. And I mean, this's a bit of a lovely thing to talk about another time because once you've got access to color there are loads there are loads of movies that use that use splashes of colour to really interesting.

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Creative effect and they are it's amazingly You still jump out of your seat sometimes. There's a fantastic.

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In the 19 forties picture of Dorian Gray does that the herd atfield Dorian Gray which is all black and white about from the painting of Dorian Gray which is in color.

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And so the film has these little colour ins and it's a it's a really clever creative thing to do it makes you feel like the painting is that is the true reality and the black and white is the film's reality in it.

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It off-kilters you a little bit. There are loads and loads of examples. It's a great film from 1,969 70 butney swope about an advertising detectives in New York.

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And the film is black and white, but the adverts they make are in colour. Do you see the adverts in color and then you see real life in black and white.

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Loads of things like that. Schindler's List. I mean, is the ultimate example of that.

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It's all black and white with those flashes of red on the little girl's dress and later a candle.

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Close in color. I want to anymore in case I come back and talk about the one day but yeah absolutely there's a whole tranche of films that that once the color is established they do that and run with it.

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Yeah, okay. Well, that was great. Really interesting and great to learn a little bit of that science actually, you know, behind the movies and I certainly didn't know it all started quite so early.

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I have to say. Quite amazing.

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Yeah, and in Britain, you know, these 2, the 2 very early guys were part of the, you know, the sort of emergent British film industry.

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They were really going for it.

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Okay, well thanks very much for that Chris.