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Well, thank you very much, Fiona, and welcome everyone.

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I hope you enjoy the lecture this afternoon. right i'm going to start off by sharing my screen.

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Here we are looking good. sorry. I just need to move there.

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Little ribbon bar down, and just move that out of the way.

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Sorry, cause this is right, Okay? and right? Hopefully, everyone can see that first slide, can they?

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It just says W. ea adult learning within reach that's perfect and excellent All right, that's the first hurdle over.

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Then isn't it. Okay, and so it's get to know the autumn sky. and I think you know coming. I mean it's only we're only just a week away from when the the clocks change and we're.

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Going to have a look at the main constellations on view learn about some what it called simple star hopping techniques, and i'm glad to tell you a bit about the mythology behind these style patterns.

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And I'm going to get tell you how you can spot 3 bright planets in the sky.

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Saturn, Jupiter and mars but the exciting thing is there's a partially clips of the sun next week.

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So let's start with that now this is on Tuesday October.

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The 20 fifth, and just depending on where you are in the Uk.

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It starts just after 10 o'clock and finishes just before 12.

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No, and you can see it from anywhere in the Uk.

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Although, as we'll see, there are some parts of the Uk that will see more of the sun scared others.

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So the moon is going to pass in front of a part of the sun on that morning, and that is what results in a partial solar eclipse. I suspect a lot of people here may well have seen a partial solar

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eclipse before, or maybe you know if you've been lucky, like me, you know, to see a total seller eclipse By the way, if you think that you think well hang on to the next total solar.

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Eclipse in this country. 2,090 i'm afraid, and I certainly well, I know I won't be here then.

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But never mind. Okay, make the most of what we've got a So just to remind you of what goes on in the solar eclipse.

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I've also got the diagram here. for a lunar eclipse. but i'm not going to dwell on that in a solar eclipse.

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Okay, and this diagram is hopelessly not to scale as i'm sure.

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You know we've got the sun there at the moon there, and the earth there, and the moon passes directly between the earth and the sun and lot, just as you and I do when we go out into the the sun the moon costs a

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shadow, and it just so happens that that shadow is is sort of long enough to reach the earth.

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There's the darker shadow part in the center the full shadow, which is called the umbra, and there's the partial shadow which is called the pen umbrella.

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But what we've got to remember is that you know this is a dynamic system.

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Everything is moving. The earth is going around. the sun the moon is going around the earth, so that, in fact, the moon shadow sweeps across the earth And I think that's illustrated on another slide.

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In a minute. Okay, but Both lunar and solar eclipse is involved.

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The earth, sun, and moon, and the said This 3 body alignment is necessary for both types of eclipses involving these bodies.

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Now this 3 body alignment has a special name and if you Place Scrabble, or you do a crossword.

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Then this is some very useful information you're going to take away from this talk.

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You don't remember anything else. you'll remember this because this word is Scissor G.

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Now the can't be too many words in the English language 6 letter words where 3 of them are wise can there.

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But there you go. Okay. So scissor g that is this 3 body alignment that we've we've got Okay, So sun, moon, earth, sun, earth, moon in the case of a lunar eclipse now for

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the a solar eclipse. So eclipses can only occur at New Moon.

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Okay, when it's sun, moon, Earth and the dark side of the or the unaluminated side of the moon facing the Earth.

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Okay, we don't get an eclipse at every new moon, because, in fact, the moons or bit with respect to the earth's orbit around the sun is tilted. it's only when the 2 orbits sort

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of intersect, but we can get an eclipse.

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Okay, so you can see here this the moon and there's the shadow, and there's the dark shadow the umbrella.

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The lighter shadow the pin number and that's going that sweeps across the earth anywhere that falls onto the umbre as that sweeps across the earth and that's quite a narrow path that would see a total

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eclipse, and with this particular it clicks next week, at the geometry of the 3 bodies is such that

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I don't think anywhere sees a total eclipse but some.

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If you fall under the pin number then you'll see a partial eclipse, and that's where we come in.

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I think you can just see it a bit better, and then you can imagine the moon moving, and this tone of shadow sweeping across the earth.

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If you go onto the Internet, you might actually see images that people have taken of this shadow sweeping across the earth.

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Very it's quite amazing actually, anyway. But first of all before we talk about, perhaps, how you can see it a warning.

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You must never look directly at the sun with an aged eye or through binoculars or through a telescope.

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So i'm going to tell you how you can safely view it?

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Those 3 ways really. first of all uses a pinhole and i'm sure everyone remembers the old pinhole cameras from.

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So while that was very useful, if you could make one of those, and you can get instructions off the Internet.

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But you can also use this setup with this lady in the photo is using because she's got 2 pieces of card.

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That one there has got a small hole in it, and this one here is the card onto which the image of the sun is projected.

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You get a very small image, but nevertheless you can clearly see that bite being taken out of the sun, and of course

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Well you know, as we've already. said this eclipse is going to last the best part of 2 h.

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You wouldn't want to be standing there like that for 2 h of course.

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Well, you wouldn't take away but you know you could check it every you know, 1015 min, or so. so that would be one way that you could view this using pinhole projection.

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You can set up a telescope or binoculars on a tripod, and project the image through there onto a screen or a piece of a large piece of card.

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However, if you do have just that they are suitable for solar projection, because you know what it's like.

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If you project or, you know, use a magnifying glass to focus the race of the sun.

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Saying a piece of paper or something. and i'm sure everyone's done that, and it's not something that helps you to advise in these health and safety conscious days.

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But nevertheless, you know the effect it really concentrates.

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The race of the Sun, and you know just some telescopes.

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They're sort of innards if you like aren't suitable for this, because of the material from which they're constructed.

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So just check if you've got a telescope that you can then do that.

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But, in my opinion, by far the safest way for sort of casual observer to do is to get a clicks glasses.

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You can see as a lady there we're probably wearing her eclipse glasses.

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You've got basically a polymeric film that with some metalized polymeric film, and that will cut out harmful uv and infrared.

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And 99.9% of the sun's visible light.

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W. Where do you get these from? Well, places like Amazon?

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Do. Them other providers are, of course, some available

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But make sure that if you would repair tonight that that we delivered by what Monday really just to be on the safe side.

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If you've got a pair of these from a previous eclipse, just make sure that you know the film is still intact.

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There are no tears or or pin pricks in it.

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Okay, and that'll be fine and I said you can just hold it up. You can also get instead of the glasses.

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You can get almost like it's just It's good.

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What if you get, though? just make sure they've got that C. E. M.

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Common, and you'll be away. it's also worth contacting a local astronomical society to find out if they're having an eclipse event. You don't know where your local astronomical society as Well, put it into

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a search engine and I'm sure it will come up here in Lester, and we're holding it in event, in conjunction with the National Space Center.

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In there a car park, so that should be good however, of course there's one provider.

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It's got to be clear and Well, we'll we'll see what happens on Tuesday.

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Okay, So if you want to know a bit more about this.

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You can have a look I recommend this website here time and date, dot com, Because if you go into that website and you tell them where you're going to be viewing from you'll get exact times from your location and also

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it'll give you a nice animation of the eclipse as it takes place. now.

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I'm not going to try an animation today. but i've got other images that show what the eclipse will look like from certain locations in the Uk.

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Well, first of all, this is just a sort of generalized view from, say, central England, what they call first contact.

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When the the the the moon of the disk of the moon first starts to move across the disk of the sun that takes place at just after 10 o'clock.

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So these are the bst times and then the maximum eclipse, because at 1057 bst and last contact when the moon moves off. Is that 1149 bst Now it's not going to go dark

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or anything like that, because it's really only a fairly small you know proportion of the solar disk that's being covered by the moon.

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You know, for it to go dark. then really you require a total eclipse so.

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And I said to the casual observer: You probably might not notice any diminution in the

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The light, but I know I know people have done them you know have sort of solar cells, and they they in the past are partially clips.

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They've been able to detect some decrease but there you go anyway.

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So That's Central England. what about if You're elsewhere, in the Uk.

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Well, this is pen sense Now from Pennsylvania, then, the maximum obscuration is 8%.

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So at some, you know the maximum eclipse 8% of the total surface area of the sun's disk will be covered.

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Okay, that's fine both time it the in London it's 15%.

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So you can see if you're heading north more at maximum eclipse.

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More of the Sun's disk is going to be covered here in Lester.

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It's 16%, and then up in edinburgh it's 19%.

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And the first is Uk that I could find a prediction for was Kirkwall.

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Which is, you know, 24, and a half percent.

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So it does seem that the further north you go then the more of the sun's disk will be covered on this particular website here.

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I think this is the national hydrographic office, but that's giving the times in universal time, which is Greenwich, and that is, of course, 1 h less than Bst But you know I still I think working in

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bst so it's between just after 10 o'clock and and just before 12.

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No and there's a nice picture of an eclipse it was taken that I don't know I got it off the Internet.

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But yeah, I think it would be very interesting to see also.

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Bang up to date if it's clear tonight or early tomorrow morning in particular, and I must admit after a very soggy day, a very gray day here in Lester.

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It is now brightening, and I can actually see some blue sky.

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But then you might see the Ryanid meet your shower.

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If you look southeast like this morning or tomorrow morning before sunrise, and you've got don't just sort of go out there and come in 2 min later.

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You've got to be prepared to commit some time to this I would say, you know, go there for at least half an hour, if it's clear a lot towards the southeast.

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And then over a period of time, you might see some meteors or shooting stars, and what you're looking at, there is debris from Holly's comet.

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So this is some sort of burning up a pricing in the earth's atmosphere.

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And you know It'd be really nice to see that because we've got all the nice winter constellations on view there like, or Ryan and Torus.

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There. Mars is pretty close to tourists at the moment as we'll see later on, and you've got serious the brightest star in the sky.

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So do try and have a look at that if you if you're up early tomorrow morning, and if it's clear, of course.

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So. Yes, it's the debris from holly's comment, and you might see as many as 20 metals per hour, which is one every on average 3 min isn't it.

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But of course there are no guarantees. about that and that would be a sort of maximum value If you're observing from, say, an urban area.

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Then your obviously wouldn't catch some of these fainter meteors, so you'd probably see less than that.

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But some yeah, if it's clear have a go right so that's the stuff that's happening in the near future.

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But let's have a look at the planets now.

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Okay. because there are 3 planets that you can see at the moment.

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If You know various times Jupiter is absolutely stunning at the moment.

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It is the brightest object in the night sky at all.

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The Menin a few weeks time. so what I call A nice time for observing you get up in the early hours of morning.

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You can. it's quite bright at the moment but I know not everyone likes to do that.

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The Saturn is by Father Fainter of the 3.

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Okay, And with Jupiter being the soap, right? Okay.

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What makes it even more obvious is that the surrounding stars It's seen against the fate background of the constellation of Pisces, and they are faint styles.

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Now I've got This is a sort of general view of the sky tonight.

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I'm gonna zoom in on that in a minute but this is about 8 o'clock tonight from the Uk.

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This is looking south. so you can see you've got saturn there, and Jupiter there, so let's just get the close off of that.

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Oh, it's not but saturn is very low down at the moment.

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So it's due south round about eightish and it's some again, that is against the faint styles of the constellation Capra corners.

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So if you're looking sort of 2 south tonight, around about that time, and you just see something fairly faint there.

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That will be Saturn, because certainly from urban locations styles of Capricorners do not show up.

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They're very difficult to see, on 10 pm you can see Everything's moved over a bit of course due to the rotation of the earth.

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So you know Saturn has moved over there and that's cheap, hey?

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But it in the East, but it will still be fairly low down, and there's Jupiter there.

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But, as I said, if you've been out at all recently to look at the night sky, really by object, you're saying, is, Jupiter.

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We have, of course, got neptune there but you do need a telescope to see neptune, so i'm not going to discuss that.

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If you've got binoculars then it's always very interesting to look at.

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Jupiter through binoculars. because on any given night you can see up to 4 moons on either side it 4 dots of light.

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Some nights you might only see 3, because it might mean that one of the moons is either behind Jupiter always in what we call transit across it.

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Sometimes you might only see 2 for the same reasons or one.

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There are very occasions when none of visible but a very rare occasions.

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Okay, so binoculars will show up to 4 moons on either side of the bright disk of Jupiter.

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So if you go out there you know tonight. if it's clear fairly early on, just note the positions of those moons in the early evening, and then you know a bit later, on, if you can go out about midnight one

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o'clock. Note the positions of the moons again because you're likely to see a difference in the relative positions of the moons compared with the planet, because these of course, are in orbit around Jupiter and the first

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person to notice. This was Galileo, back in 1,610, with his really rather crude telescope.

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And these are his observations here. of jupiter thought I'll read most of this.

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But obviously that was Jupiter. There only got 2 little dots there.

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He noticed 2 blocks there, so what we now know the moons, and then

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Another night there were 3 lined up like that 2 on one side, one on the other, and another night there's 3 on that side, and so on.

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And you notice that these move? well. He knew that this was clear evidence for bodies that were orbiting Jupiter, because you know, around that time the late sixteenth early seventeenth century, one of the great debates in

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astronomy, and you know, was what was the sort of nature of the universe itself.

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Did everything that we see around us go around the earth you know we'll see Earth centered cool.

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Did the earth and the other planets go around the sun, and by making these observations Galileo very clearly produced evidence.

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The bodies that weren't orbiting the earth they've orbiting another body.

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So this was a one of the nails in the coffin of the earth centered universe.

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So you know you're looking at those moons you're looking at sort of history.

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If You've, got a small Telescope you might be able to see a band or 2 in the Jovian atmosphere.

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But you know what you see sometimes can very much depend upon.

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Atmospheric conditions down here and again you'd pick up the moons.

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1, 2, 3, 4 nice, you know. Fairly symmetrical arrangement there.

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Okay, so that's that's jupiter but even if you haven't thought of it or 10 scopes. I say, I think it's just so stunningly bright that some as well worth the look as we

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said Saturn, is fainter than Jupiter, not immediately obvious, but it does have the advantage, for it lies against coolness, so be no confusion between Saturn and a star.

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However. in November the moon is going to lie close to Saturn during November on a couple of days, so we can use this as a guide, and the first of November the 20 ninth of

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November. the dates to note, because obviously the moon, being so much closer to us, does move quite rapidly against this sort of background stars.

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Okay, I mean, obviously, if you want to see the rings, you need to telescope.

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And again this might be where your local Astronomical Society comes in handy.

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Now on the first of November about 8 pm we're just going to go into the close up one there.

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You can see the moon is below saturn and it's it'll be a crescent move, so it's not going to be one of these overpowering me.

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Bright you know full moons. So if you can see the moon on the first of September, that object above it would be Saturn. again.

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I might recommend the use of binoculars if you've got them just to you know pick Saturn up because some, you know a moon is the moon is bright I met on the 20 ninth of november i've drawn

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this to 7 Pm. because you can see over the course of the month.

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And

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And getting a bit lost in the sort of merk, if you like.

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This Saturn there, and on that particular evening the moon will be to the lower left. Okay, yeah. it's rising it left.

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So when you know So the first and the 20 ninth of November, if you want to see Saturn, I said, it is a locked fainter than Jupiter.

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Now Malls Mars is currently rising in the East about 8 30.

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I saw it on Monday night myself about 9 o'clock and you could very clearly see the red even though it's so low down rising a few minutes earlier every day, which means you know it's going to be easier

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for us to look at it, and more, you know, gonna be more exposed to it, if you like. But on December the eighth Mars will reach opposition, and what we mean by opposition.

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Position occurs for any planet or that's further from the sun than the earth is, and we get this exact line up again.

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There's the sun there's the where where there's miles.

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But say, Jupiter came to opposition about a month ago.

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I spoke, and Saturn was a opposition in august so it's a common occurrence for planets further from the some than the Yeah, But it's the best time to view a planet like this further from the Earth. Yes, Yeah, sorry further from the sun than the

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Earth, because essentially at all position, the planet is rising as the sunset. it's visible over all hours of darkness, and the planet will set as the sunrises.

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So the Martian opposition occurs, on december the eighth, and in the case of Mars, as you can see here, they co every sort of couple of years. or so.

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So that's going to be a a good one so that's the view we get at the moment.

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Looking east. about. Say that this would be about 9 if I suppose, Mass Miles, and if you know anything about your constellations, then just above it, you've got the plaid is the 7 sisters and how debbran

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i'll debbran is also an orangey star. So Mars is the red planet Al Debron is orange, and give it a few weeks when the 2 are much higher in the sky at a reasonable time for

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observing, I can look quite good together. I think. mouse now.

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The full moon is also going to pass across the disk of Mars.

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On December the eighth

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This. you will need Those are a telescope to see this.

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But you know the the moon being so much closer to us than the Mars moves more quickly against the background stars.

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So on them december the eighth Then Mars is going to dissipate behind the moon at about yeah, and then we'll reappear about an hour later.

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As the moon has passed that. But again, if you were interested in that, in touch with your local astronomical society, or various astronomical websites. But I think that would be difficult to view with the make it, eye, because although mars will be

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bright. The full moon is far brighter, and you know, being so close to the moon, Mars would be lost in the glare of it on that.

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Just another slide there. Okay, close the public But what about mid-december.

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That's going to be a good time to look for mars and again.

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What i've done is i've just zoomed in on the area where Miles will be best malls.

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There there's the constellation of the bull.

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And this Al Deboran there and then there's the constellation of iron, which I guess a lot of people know.

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So and you've got better girls, that lovely red style there. So you've got a red star and orange star and a red planet.

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Okay, But again, I think there may be far more about i'm just alerting you to this because technically it's in winter isn't it even I operate on the astronomical definition of winter not the

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met office, so I have included some events in early December, because that is still autumn.

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As far as I'm concerned. But yeah, Malt you know when you go out there with December, if you look up you will.

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Mars will be, you know, brighter than Al Debran. and

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You know that red color can be like a I remember a couple of years ago round about October.

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You know the opposition. Then it was again. It was like a beacon in the sky.

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So you should be able to see that well what about Venus, I hear you say, Well, it's not this about my moment, but it will be back at the end of December in the evening.

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Sky, and then in the early months of next year it's going to put on a good show.

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Because you can see that in but I zoom in on that one No, I didn't know in late January.

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It's going to be we're gonna have Saturn Venus, Jupiter, and Mouse over there set the chance to spot 4 planets in one.

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Go and Venus will be very bright then it'll be brighter than Jupiter.

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And at the end of February the Jupiter and Venus actually meet together in the sky.

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So let's just zoom. in on that bit there you can see that going to be very close together. Now that's not a particularly uncommon occurrence.

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I mean it certainly doesn't happen every year or anything like that.

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But we could but all in pretty much the same plane. then, you know.

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Occasionally they do. appear to you know, come together and what we call an appulse, or sometimes it's called a conjunction.

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Of course. jupiter's a lot further away than Venus, but that should be very spectacular, and this was one of This was yeah.

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So this was June and Venus a few years back.

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So

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So look out for that. Okay.

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Can people still hear me, Fiona? Can people still hear me?

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Am I still Yes, Oh, good right i'm sorry it's just something strange came up at the top of my screen.

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I don't normally, see that's all right and suddenly again, Yeah, I mean this was a picture that my husband took from our our road.

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Well, I think it's about 10 years ago, of venus and Jupiter, that looks like it's a lovely rural setting.

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It's not all There's a field at the end of our road, but down the side of that field runs the service road down to the Lester forest Day services on the m one and they're actually planning to

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build houses on that field now, and that is the best chance I ever get of seeing.

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Jupiter, and I have protested about it but I'm Not sure not not too sorry, Mercury, and I'm not. I'm not sure if the planning authorities will accept my you know mine Probably never seen

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Mercury again as a valid reason but we'll see so that's the planet.

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Now what about styles then? Now some styles are visible all year from around the Uk.

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And we call them circum polar, but some all seasonal and sorry.

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Sorry. Just excuse me a moment. John could just pass me that stuff over there, please. printer.

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Sorry summer sees. Well, okay, and what we're going to do is we just kind of have a look at a couple of what we call circum polar constellations, and i'm sure some of these will be very familiar to you

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and then we'll have a look at some that are seen at this particular time of year.

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So second, polar styles are visible all year round.

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Okay, they don't set a scene from any particular location and from the Uk.

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Well-known constellations, like Ursa, Major, and Cassiopia, a certain Polar.

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We can see them on any clear night, whatever The time of year or the time of night.

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But some styles ask singers more like Orion.

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This is visible in the evening sky during winter, months but we can't see it during the summer months, cause it's above the horizon during the hours of daylight.

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Now, just before I say something about constellations I just want to use this diagram here to explain why some styles are visible all year round, and some aren't if you don't like diagrams then don't

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worry. that's hopefully not going to stop your enjoyment of trying to find these constellations in the sky.

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But now this point here Ncp. It's not a car Park.

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It's actually something called the north celestial pole and this is where the earth's polar axis.

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The point points to in the sky and that's marked by the star we call Polaris the pole star, or pretty much it's not exact now over the course of a day due to the rotation of the earth then styles in the

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sky appear to rotate around the postal now you can see that if you've got a star that's say here as it goes from, because it's fairly close to the pole style.

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You can see that over the course of a day. it never actually dips below the horizon, so that will be circum polar.

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Look this star here, a bit further away from the Pulse Star and

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You can see there will be times when it does get below the horizon, so that one would not be classed as circumpolar.

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Okay, it would be non-ircompolar.

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So being one of the most seasonal ones and and just want to look at this.

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Then there's the earth there's its polar axis and so there's it's rotating on its axis like that, and where the axis points through the sky is the north celestial poll and of course there's an equivalent one in

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the South, south, Celestial Poll and in the north.

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Then where that points to pretty much is marked by what we call the Pole Star, or polaris, and in the southern hemisphere it's a much faintest style called sigma

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octantis. But we're not gonna worry about that because you can't see it from here.

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And this you may have seen pictures like this in books of style trails, but people point that camera at the Pole Star and then over, You know, you leave the the shutter open or all these days you do lost the there.

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I just that sort of computer to sort of admit them together.

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But you can see the movement of the stars around the pole can't be like that over a period of time, and this is also very good, for bring out the colors of the stars as well you know, just some of blue some of white some

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sort of ready orange installed trails. Now, typical.

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Certain polar constellations are things like Ursa major.

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The great Fair. Probably the best known bit of that are these 7 files that make up the cloud, and we can use the plow to find the poll style.

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Laris, and then on the other side of that you've got Cassie up here and in fact, our word, let me talk about the Arctic Circle.

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Okay, it's it actually comes from if you like these their constellations.

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Okay. because it's from northern latitudes that these bear constellations are some major the great Bear and Ursa minor, the Little Bear.

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They never set, and that's the origin of the term arctic circle circle of the bears.

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Because it comes from the Greek word meaning their arctos.

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So use another useful bit of information along with scissors.

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I think so. we've got some some of the styles there.

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Okay, Now, I guess a lot of people know the cloud, anyway, and that is really good.

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I mean if you don't know it then if you look no for the moment, it's you know on the it it's presenting that some get something like that on the looking looking north and sometimes people wonder

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about distances. how far are these stars from each other in the sky, or your outstretched fist is always a good marker.

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So on This diagram here is what I like about this you've got some someone's outstretched fist just giving you some idea of the distances between styles people talk about the plow and the great there, they're not exactly

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the same, because the 7 stars of the plow form what we call an asterism and a masterism is just a pattern in the sky 10 miles a part of a larger group, and that's the constellation of Us.

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And Major the Great Bear, and I particularly like these these I think these were a nineteenth century constellation cards called Urania's Mirror.

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Again. if you Google, those who get some lovely pictures of how people represented the stars.

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So i've just i'm sorry just go back here.

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Then. Okay, this is 7 styles that make up the plow which i'm sure a lot of people are familiar with.

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But you've also got fainter stars but make up the rest of Ursa Major.

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The Great Bear, and that would be my challenge to you that if you were observing from you know say a fairly rural area. then, you know, just make just see if you can make it out the other styles of the

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The the plow, and i'll tell you Why, later on where you can get some information from that.

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Might help you with this just go through that old i'll miss that bit out.

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Actually The plow, though, is very useful because we can use it as a signed post to the Pole Star like that.

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Okay, and you also use it. I can't see a pair if that we call that the handle of the plow.

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If you take that star there and draw the line through that and the Pole Star, then you come to and Cassie appear.

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The mythology behind the plow is or sm is quite interesting.

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Because, as a major in Greek mythology, was Callisto, she was a beautiful woman, who was an attendant of Artemis, the goddess of hunting and protector of girls, and Callisto took a Vow of

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chastity, and became a favorite hunt hunting companion of Artemis.

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But one day Zeus and king of the gods, he noticed the beautiful young collisto, and tricked her into breaking her vow of chastity.

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As a result she felt pregnant, and was banished into the world by Artemis, and gave birth to a son called Arcas and

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But when excuse his wife and let's face it we need the mythology, she had an awful lot to put up with.

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Once you see his wife heard of her husband's and indiscretion.

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She took vengeance on Callisto by turning her into a a bear.

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But one day List, though you know, comes from that's what the Great Bear comes from but one day after many years of hunting alone. Callisto accidentally encountered her long lost son, who was also a hunter.

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Now, but he of course, didn't recognize his mother being a bear, and Arcus was about to kill Callisto, but when Sue intervened, sent them, or into the heavens

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As the bear and her son as as a minor.

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Okay, So mother and son are now in the heavens as the bear Cassie up here.

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Was the daughter of Andromeda and Oh, sorry, and I'm trying to sorry I got that when we run.

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Andromeda was the daughter of Cassie, appears a very vain queen.

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And her husband's cfus is also in the sky. and she boasted that both she and her daughter was so beautiful that see God what fed up with this and he bound to to he bound the

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daughter to a rock as a prey for sea monster.

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Seat us, and then she was then rescued by her hero.

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Perseus was also in the sky, so you can see a Perseus there, and cassia pair

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So this Cassie up here there's a husband king Cfius this person who rescued and from it.

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And then, and drumida myself and then seat us the sea monster, all the whale you know threatened to eta, so not an ecology in the sky if you're interested in that and there's

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per se coming down there. Hey, Lisa, actual photos!

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If you want to learn sky. A good way of doing it is perhaps to try some simple astro photography, because it will pick out a lot of stars.

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I think it does help you learn them so that's perseus coming down like that, and we've got the planades that I mentioned earlier on the 7 sisters there, which again, perhaps a lot of people know so the

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plow. then we can use it to find other bright styles at this time of year.

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If you go out about 8 o'clock 9 o'clock you can use the handle of the plow that will curved down like that.

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A new come to a sort of bright orangey style called op tourists.

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So that's for now. but in a few weeks time that will have set it's not circular.

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Later on in the evening, and up until the spring. Use this side of the plow to find the constellation of Leo.

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We can use the style we're gonna talk about in a minute.

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We can find Vega from going up what's called the bowl of the plow.

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The left hand side up there. and you can cut across to find Gemini.

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That's more a sort of winter constellation so just bear in mind that although the clouds there all the time and some of the styles that it's used as a sign post for aren't i'll just

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miss that out of particular interest. in the the plow is the second star in the handle.

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There, because from a dark site you can see you've actually got 2 styles there.

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The brought to one is called Mazar, and the fainter one is called alcohol and you can see that with the naked eye.

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Get some binoculars on it and you see it's actually sort of 2 stars.

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So you're getting 2 for the price of one there and This is a picture that my husband took from Cornwall some years ago.

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And again, I think you can just make out the 2 there, so have a look for that.

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Let's just say something about the season of styles now, now, you know, talk forever about these.

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But I'm just going to sort. of pick up on a couple of things once called the summer triangle and the other is the square of Pegasus.

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So there's the great sweat of hegas there and again.

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Say something about summer triangle which you might think Well, autumn.

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No, it's still visible, so the summer triangle is another one of these asterisms. Okay, it's not a

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The consolation as such it's a pattern it's made up of bright styles from 3 different constellations.

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Danieb Baker, and out and and you know if it's clear tonight.

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The next few nights go out and it gets dark you know 8 o'clock, 9 o'clock 10 o'clock, whatever look upwards, and you will see a triangle of bright stars overhead that is the summer triangle and

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it said that patrick moore came up with this name for this, although some people dispute that, and again, just to double check, go back to the plow and use that signpost there, and you'll get to

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vega, which is the brightest star in the summer triangle.

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Okay, So Dennis, and so we're just gonna say something about Then Vega is in the constellation of Lyra the liar, and that's the musical instrument, not someone who's economical with the

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truth. our tech is in the formation of Aquila, the eagle and Sickness.

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Sorry Dennis is in the conservation of sickness.

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The swam, or sometimes people call that the Northern Cross.

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And again. This is an actual photo that my husband took denn the vicer.

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There and out here there, so you can see the the triangle, and you're also starting to see some of the other styles of sickness.

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The Northern Cross on this and if you use a longer exposure, then of course, you bring out more stars.

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So i'm not much of the las vegas and out here, and your also started to see some nebulosity, some cloudiness there that's the the milky way you're looking towards this very central regions of

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our galaxy there. now, just a bit about sickness.

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Well in mythology. He was the friend or lover over Python.

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He was the son of Helios. the sun God and one day Python demanded that he took his father's son chariot for a drive.

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But he lost control, and Zeus was forced to send a thunderbolt to basically destroyed the the chariot, causing it to plummet to earth and causing the death of £5 and

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sickness was struck down with grief, and the gods were so touched by this they turned him into a swan in the sky.

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Okay, so that there we are now dennis is a very interesting star, because of all the styles that you can see easily with the naked eye.

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It's by far the most remote and how far away is it?

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Well, maybe the light takes 1,500 years to get here so it's 1,500 light years away.

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But other people estimate that it might be anywhere between 1,000 203,000 light years.

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I think people are coming down more towards these smaller figures now, but nevertheless it It is very remote, and it's an enormous scar, maybe about 200 times the diameter of the sun.

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So if you put some there, then denied you know just have a little arc of it there, it's a really big star, and the fact that you know it appears to us to be so bright over such an enormous distance is telling you it's

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a real powerhouse of the style. so now there's another very interesting style that we need to just quickly look at.

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And this is the star at the bottom of the cross there that's called Alberio.

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Okay, styles, and if you just look at it, you know your eyes.

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It looks like a single star. But look at it through a telescope, opinopulus.

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Then you can see 2 stars, and in fact, it's one of the loveliest sites in sky.

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Because the 2 different colors now it says here that the telescopes needed to show the color difference.

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Well, i've actually seen the color difference. with large binoculars, but one component is this sort of orangey color and the other goldie color, and the other one is a sort of bluey.

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Green again. Get in touch with your local astronomical society. you don't have a telescope to let them.

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Yeah, let you have a look. Okay, Lyra is so the liar there vager itself.

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The bright star that's easy to see again. these you need somewhere fairly dark, and maybe get some binoculars on them.

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But this is the liar of Orpheus.

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Orpheus paid such sweet music, and he married a nymph called you ridiculous.

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She died when she sort of trod on a snake and

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He followed her into the underworld and played his liar.

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And you know the music his music charmed the people in the underworld, and they said they'd let you ridiculous go back to the land of the living provided office, didn't look back But of course, he did and so

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you ridiculous! went back to the underworld, and Orphia spent the rest of his life wondering about playing, and refused all offers of marriage from other women, and these women got a bit fed up with this and apparently

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they ganged up on him and through spears, and stoned him, and one of the spears hit him and when

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As you heard about this. you know he was killed. The lie was placed in the sky.

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You do read different mythological stories I must admit So there's the constellation there with Vega.

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These much fainter stars. again, get in touch with your local Astro society, because there are some very interesting objects in there which i'm not going to go into tonight, but Vegas much closer to us than denn is

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about 25 or 26 light years So you know the light will have left there in the late 19 nineties to get to your eyeballs tonight, and that's vega comparison with the sun so again.

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It's a bigger star very hot star and i'll head down the bottom here.

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That's the starbucks in the constellation of aquila. The eagle and aquilla represents the eagle that carried them.

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Jupiter's uses thunderbolts and Then Lastly, i'll just say something about the square of a Pegasus.

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Okay, which again, is sort of quite well placed now, any 4 stars in the sky. You can draw a 4 sided figure between them.

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But you know, you've got pegasus if the top right Hand Star has got this sort of little triangle there.

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Okay, and What mention that? Because of the time but what i'd like you to do if you go out and find the square. Nope.

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The differences in colors of form. main stars there's 3 red and sorry sorry for white and one red, so which is the red one and 3 different locations.

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See if you can count the number of styles visible within the sides of the square, because that will give you some indication of light pollution from various re areas.

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And what's interesting about this is that this little star done side here, which is called 51 peasy back in the 19 nineties.

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That was the first sunlike star around which a planet was detected. The stars

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About 40 to 50 light years away. it's only just visible with the naked eye.

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You really do need binoculars. and you can see on little photograph here of Ring Dick round there.

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Okay, that's what rings around the planet and that's you'd be drawn.

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Okay. but it's the planet is called dimidium and the discovery of this planet the discoverers were rewarded.

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Part of the 2019 Nobel Prize in physics.

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So I think it tells you how important that discovery was and this planet is very much like Jupiter.

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It's a sort of gas giant but that's where the similarities end. Because if you look at our solar system, some Mercury, Venus Earth mars in the 51 peasy system, this enormous gas giant

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planet is much closer into its parent star. and because of the we discovered quite a few systems like this.

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Now, and because of that, people have had to revise their ideas about how planetary systems form and devolve.

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So a lot of work going on there exoplanets as we call them, the very hot topic in a strongly at the moment.

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But obviously you can't see the planet itself but you can see the star.

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So this again. just remind you the summer triangle.

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Oh, i'll miss that now. just very briefly the International Space Station is about to start a series of pre-orned passes seen from the Uk.

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But all sorts of various sources of prediction i'm sure some of you your ownYes, we've got some.

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You can get alert. Sent your phone as it's passing over

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I tend to use this website here. Heavens above com because you know, if you can find it useful reading classes, and on that you can get predictions in terms of times magnitudes, altitude. and direction.

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But if you click on the date, you get a star map showing the path of the Iss.

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And remember when you're talking about magnitude brightness the smaller the number, the brighter the object.

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So, and the iss is so bright that it's magnitude is a negative number.

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And remember that if it's magnitude minus 3 that's brighter than my

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1.5 of a reference purpose, just save some idea.

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The current magnitude of Jupiter is approximately minus 3. It's actually a tiny bit faster than that.

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But you know, just working nice whole numbers. and so if you go on to heavens above, eg.

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On the 20 fifth of October. The you can see here.

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It gives you the time. So in the morning and it gives you the track across the sky. it's gonna be quite a bright pass.

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It's going to go through orion and you'll have Mars just above it, and carrying on like that so often find that useful.

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But, as I said, you may very well have your own source that's a picture of the international space station sort of few second exposure on a camera that's my husband taking his pictures just put that into show you can just do things with a

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fairly straightforward slr don't need anything too fancy, and if you want a bit of extra help with constellation, and people

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Or something called a planus fair which is sort of like an eternal star map.

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You can buy them you've got a map printed on a bottom disc, and then at the top disk there's an oval cut, and if you line up the date and time, at which you're observing then what's

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in the oval is what you see in the sky. You can get loads of apps for your phone.

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You can get software for your Pc laptop or phone Eg: stillerium. and we like that because it's free.

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Also said, Get in touch or join your local astronomical society.

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Now i've been through that very quickly. and i'm i'm probably overrun.

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So I I do apologize, but I hope i've given you a flavor, and you know.

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Just go out there and have a look if you don't know your way around I mean there's no way anyone can learn You know all the stars in one night.

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I always say that, you know, trying to find your way around.

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The sky is a bit like going to a strange city.

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You learn where the main points are, where under the railway station is a box and Spencer

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And then, you know, the next time you go you've got those 2 reference points, and then you can hone in on that.

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So if you start off with the pile then I think that's a very good place to start.

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So instead. I know this is sort of a you know quite rush, but it's giving you a flavor. If it's inspired you to go out and look at the sky, because there are some remarkable events coming up then all the

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best, and I wish you clear skies. So thank you very much indeed.

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Thank you so much, and that was absolutely fascinating and we've all learned a new words to boots as well, and one without vowels, which is quite interesting as well.

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So I hope we're all gonna try and get out and have a look at that and partial eclipse next week.

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I've been having a little look at the weather in Edinburgh here that's going to be cloudy old D, which is not very helpful.

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Hopefully. some of you out there will have more more luck also.

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Personally for me really interesting to hear about the origins of the name Arctos for some of our members in Scotland.

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You may you might be aware of this there's a Pooler bear in the highly wildlife center an upper here in Scotland called Arcto.

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So, Julie, and chasing to hear where that name came from.

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So, anyhow, we've got a couple of questions here so i'm just gonna launching.

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So do you have a little bit of time? no! this was a question from Andrew.

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Let me just paint it for you practice kind of 2 questions

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He's asking talking about the the partial solid eclipse.

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How common are they in this country? they're fairly common.

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There was one Oh, was it last summer or the summer before that?

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And again that was cloudy. So a total salary clicks Many location on the earth is fairly rare.

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You know, since the next one from the Uk. anywhere in the Uk.

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What the until 2,019 but some there's over the next few years there are some reasonable partial eclipses coming up, and if you go on to that time and date com website, which I mentioned earlier on then for your

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location. it'll give You a list of eclipses up to 2,199, which I think should keep most people happy.

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Hmm. Yeah. And the second part of andrew's question was talking about the partial eclipse that's coming up on Tuesday.

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Is there anywhere in the globe where they will see a a sort of total eclipse?

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I don't believe there is this time I I don't think there is this time, but more often than not.

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There is right? Okay, interesting. And I know that John was asking about and recommendations for some good astronomical websites.

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What We'll do John is an ann and i'll put our heads together and get, and has already mentioned 2 or 3 websites.

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We'll pull all that information together, and We will post that information up beside the recording of the lecture on

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The the lecture page of the members area of the website in due course, as soon as we can.

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After the lecture so hopefully. that will be helpful to all.

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And I think that is it, unless anyone has any last minute questions

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Okay, good afternoon everybody.

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Let me, let me share my screen and put the slide set up.

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So hopefully you can all see the front of the slides set there which, which gives the title dodgy scales and delivering the male's, the social history of retail and retail sales.

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I'm sticking to what Tim Ferriss today a little bit of of Seth Godin parents but mostly wooden Ferris the older of the two villages and the agenda, just to show you where we are in the country.

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Then where the germ of the idea for all of this came from the objectives methodology and sources of the project about autumn Ferris itself the earliest days maps and movement, the post office, delivering the mail goings on at the for pubs.

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The telephone exchange and finally, a little about a shop called pilgrims and the family that run it.

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So, this is where we are in ethics ethics so if you know to the right of London on that map.

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Now, and you'll see an arrow there for wouldn't wouldn't for us as at the top of the hill.

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And when the railway came.

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The railway didn't want to climb the hill and so it stayed down on the flat land, which was south of what Emperor's. Hence, South Ward and violence, which has since become a new town under about $80,000 live here at the moment.

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Where did this idea come from when I, I volunteer for this record office, and what I, I used to do fairly regularly was upload recordings, and I listened to them catalog them and then upload them onto the Essex, Essex record Office website.

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And one of the recordings fascinates me, Ernest Paul talking in the 1960s listed every shop down the high street in Chelmsford in the 1930s.

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And it made me think how much it's changed. I'm going to play your short extract of earners you'll have to listen carefully because it's not a very loud recording just 1020 seconds of it.

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Then they was password, hence the famous on the couch.

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Next door was drivers drivers printers they were read through arch way there, and they printed words to the bank but they bookshop, and the huge agent, they were no news agent.

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Stop that they're not recording is available for anyone to listen to, by the Essex record Office website and I can put a link for that if you're interested.

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What I wanted to do in this project, which I started with our local history society, three, four years ago was to record, who was at a shop in 1000 Salford and that was by year.

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And today, we have five leverage files stuffed full of information.

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There's a data sheet for each of the premises, hundred 33 often.

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There were 380 supporting hardcopy documents over 1300 index images of buildings and deeds and letters from people, a searchable spreadsheet and the book which has just been published.

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When I get my information from a 94 year old lady Ruth Ralston, who died unfortunately last year.

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She gave me a tremendous amount of information she, She wrote down every shop in order of the road, local historian john Franklin gave me a lot of help, but people whose family owned or managed shops have given me things somebody posted their needs and

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the second class post. To me, and people who wanted to talk about the past, and the British newspaper archive.

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Then someone didn't throw away event programs from the 1950s and 60s which allowed me to see when businesses were advertising. The current owners of the property, and I've seen one of the cofounders of the properties on the list of participants today.

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Ancestry and find my past and of course there are six record office.

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earliest times. And there's a book by Wendy Walker, that talks about sex markets and fairs and you can see the end the year 1234. There was a market in boredom virus.

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And that was interesting because there's no marketplace where was the marketplace, what we think we found the marketplace.

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And then 1580 to a survey of Essex, which is available there's a record office, but you need their translation not the original and said at one time there was six butchers and battling houses at the weekly market.

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Now the market is not happening. And there's only one butcher, and to everything houses there's great decay in the township ship.

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And we think we know where one of those Victorian houses was.

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But again, the marketplace we've identified that to.

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I've drawn maps, and going to a cartographer who's drawing them properly for me.

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This is wooden Ferris is not described or two gaps.

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As you can see from the north and then you come down from big naked, and then you turn left and go into what's called the street.

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And each of the little blobs black blobs with white writing is a property I know quite a lot about.

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And here they are, the butcher's arms the anchor the clapper the eagle Foster's weird rights, Robert Lewin's Forge.

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The general stores, run by Charlotte Headingley much more about her later.

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The grocer's and butchers, and the post office run by Charles borns and the bow. But as you can see at the top right there.

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There are there are businesses I can't identify where they are. john Charlie's probably work from he's from Rome.

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But people didn't use house numbers in the village, we all knew where john Chalice live so you didn't know to have a number.

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And there's a butcher's that goes right for it 4530 1900. I don't know where it was. It's a large property, and it will be good to find out, but that's how it was in 1845, in the village moved to 1921, and the watches arms are still there but the anchor

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has become a butcher's in 1910 or thereabouts, pick up bakeries arrived.

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Robert ah so in a millennial learning are running the wheel right now.

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Eagle stores, was there from 1928, a fascinating story about number 66 there Sydney grub and his family at the telephone exchange.

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And he's talking about the Forge, and Frederick Baker was a plumber and builder, Victor comet, a local rogue was in the shop, and then Richard Simmons had it again more about that later.

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And then on the other side William Wolf, post office george bush and the bell is still there.

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1945, a few less, but some different ones, the ones with white centers are ones I don't know much about, or I haven't been able to find much about.

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So Brett's Reggie Alan, how the garbage, and there's no sign of that guys there now work, who was a builder and his grandson is still working as a plumber.

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Once is an old Kentish and Essex word it means a crossroads and as you can see the road goes North the big naked and then lodge road and clothesline across there.

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My African stores Maurice worker, run them Africans saws.

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African stores Maurice worker, random African stores. Peacock bakery, what became Tanner and wardrobe, but Harvey.

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He had a van, and it had. Keep smiling, I Eagle soars continued until the least correlation.

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And then Vincent's have moved in down their patrons have moved in the bow and Ernest Harper to move that right down into what's known locally as Happy Valley.

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2021. Now we are what a difference. You can't buy groceries in will impress now.

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You can buy plants from the garden center you can have your computer maintained by Adrian at lodge Information Systems sign there's a great plumber, and you can still get a drink at the bar.

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So, it has changed, and as wouldn't tell us when down the place of but south of would impose went up.

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And so we shouldn't see that.

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I'm just going to try and move that I can't move that kind of captured anything away Yes, I can. He's hiding things on my screen.

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So, you can see that the railway came, and the cluster around 1901 of businesses in the railway around the railway.

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And here they are. Let's name them

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my screen icon right sorry my screen froze. I go up and hey you see the, the name so well been pub for 1832.

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I mentioned data sheets I have 28 pages on the well been so much happening there.

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Red House cottage stores are from Scotland Yard. All of these ones here were linked with the well railway newspapers were sold in 1981 on the railway platform.

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You could get a haircut at the crossing keepers hot, and also tomatoes.

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But in 1903, right down and my the way down towards the river.

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Cash doors open it later.

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It was there right until the 70s.

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So things are starting to happen. Now he wouldn't files in 1971.

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You can see that cluster that glut of stores around the railway so notice though also there are some circles with with really big edges.

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Now, these four stores were what you would call open all our stores, if they if they if you haven't got what you wanted, they get it. They were open from seven or eight o'clock in the morning to till the same time night or even 10 o'clock.

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And now what's happened was that this parade of shops was built in 1971 72 and included a supermarket, a small supermarket.

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But, this, this one was compulsory purchase, but the other three closed.

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Really because those shops in the in the parade taken over from them.

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Although I have been told recently that the shopkeepers the two old ladies who ran this one. Couldn't get their minds around decimal currency and so that was why they closed.

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Let's go to 2021.

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And since 1971 over to the right of this nh

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huge new shopping center has been built to cope for the 18,000 people who live here.

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And so, that's not on the plan. And on the image that you see, and there are a few reduced shops but quite a few of them have survived the butcher's for example has become East of England co-operative funeral.

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Number 17 has become dairy court, that was a butcher's.

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18 is empty. At the moment, and the railway station kiosk is still there. This is this continues along here.

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This is another computer shop, a sign of the times.

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This was a lovely little mobile coffee wagon. And there's been a lot of controversy about how the Council of return Did that work and they've lost it.

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Let's move back to autumn Pharaohs back up the hill.

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This is looking up the hill.

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And this is around 1900 ish we're not sure exactly when this pictures is taken.

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Will stores is on the right there. and you can see the blinds are drawn.

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So it's obviously a sunny day when this image is taken.

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Next up we have Wolf's cottages William wolf built cottages for his employees, and the bakery and then the butchering.

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And this is the Smithy run by three generations of Lewin's Robert low in Robert H low in, and let me low in.

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And then we have the eagle which we're going to hear more about later. It's the plain white building not the Capitol building is right of the hell were some more pictures, going.

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They don't have gone this down here. Yeah, some of the gardens have gone but again, this is the bell pub. On the right, this is the rebuilt post office and whoever's taking this picture is very kindly written for us, the date on the, I think the it's

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a glass image that's been colored by hand.

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And again you can see the village in 1910.

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This one. This is a picture that came to me, only about three months ago.

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And it's not unique.

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You've got the bowel you've got the post office you've, you've got the eagle, but Richardson stores on the left is a bit of an enigma. When I started the project everyone said well yeah that was batches from stores they were there, but not been able to

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find anybody alive in the village who actually use with us and stores.

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Victor comic pallets certainly at in the 1921 census, but a little story about that. Mrs Richardson.

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When chasing after us when we've gone away. There was a court case, and the judge said to the two of them. Now Mr. Richardson would you come back.

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And he said not whilst the logic is still there. So, I'll leave you to make your own minds, but this is one of the very, very few pictures of Richardson's.

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Let's think about body scales, which is the name of the presentation and the book.

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We're going back to 1794, when Robert roadies will tells us that he owned the shopping mall in ferrets.

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And before that 10 we lock it agreed to be apprenticed to him. I've seen the original documents here in the deeds.

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Robert left the shop to his daughter Mary Brown, and she split the ownership between her three children. So we had a shop, owned by three people rented out to William Harper, a grocer Robert King was in situ after William Harper, and then falls bones.

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As an under tenant from, from 1820. Now, Charles bones, is the focus, Charles bones, is the is the one who to me gave the name dodgy scales.

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He was corrupt.

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In 1835 is one of the 16 voters in the village. The 1841 census gives him and his wife as the age of 50.

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Some of his finds by weights and measures are listed below.

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I use a British newspaper archive and the chance for newspapers are full of fines for this gentleman. And as you can see, I've called him up because he had a piece of lead weight attached to the scales on your side of the scales so you can't see me holding

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my hands up and down as if they were scales, but if you went in for half pound of butter, your scales will level, but there was a piece of lead weight on the your side so you didn't get half a pound of butter.

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And he was find two pounds two shillings and six months which I believe is about 304 pounds in today's.

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Before that, again, deficiency in 1854 against several incorrect weights man How difficult is it to keep weights correct.

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A pair of scales, out of balance, it goes on and on until he dies in test 18 1864 and his wife sales up.

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I wonder though if he wasn't very well liked in the village, because he was a target for themes, with Nash and Charles Soule. Now remember, Charles Soule he's going to appear again in our story stonewalling the poor poke, and they got six one's hard labor.

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Elijah Ramsey and 1850 and Samuel Tao set were convicted a burglary. Now, the newspaper doesn't tell us what they stole. Oh, wish it did.

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They got 15 years and 10 years transportation.

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Goodness homes what they saw.

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for years penal servitude.

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After Charles bones. William pets.

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From Retton done, which as the crow flies is about three miles away. As the roads go it's probably five miles.

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He buys the business and 1864 and his brother Thomas runs the shop for 38 years until mode you go to these fine once for incorrect scales, and that was after the case of neglect he didn't maintain them.

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So you can run a business for 38 years, and only have one mistake, which Weights and Measures pick up on when Thomas left the village, there was a collection and the local chapel, and it raised a large amounts of money to give to him and his wife.

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This is the building. Before, it was rebuilt in the 1890s I'm finished in 1904.

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And this may be Thomas pits and his family, but as far as I have to trace Thomas pits and William pits, neither of them had any children. So who the little girls are I don't know.

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But my friend Mark Curtis that comes with museum was dated, the close to the 1870s 1880s which would make Thomas Pitts.

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The shopkeeper at the time.

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Now the eagle on lead ones among you will have noticed that the Lady in Black is standing in front of the words, wooden Ferris out the village was known as wooden Ferris and frustratingly when you assert when I was searching the British newspaper archive.

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I had to search for both within various onboarding fellas. Because around 1900 who wanted to change this name, back to what Tim Ferriss, so you will see on some of these images.

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Wouldn't Ferris.

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This is a document, I'm not expecting you to read it, but it's a photograph of the documents, which tells William pits that he's got his mortgage, and this has been part of the joy of this, of this process of finding documents like this.

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The document says this.

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So we been to water, and that the spelling and punctuation is on the document, and look at the property offer by Mr. Pitts a security. It consists of a shop, joining counts outbuildings warehouses stable and garden behind the premises are commodious,

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but in a very bad state of repair.

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Well, we saw that didn't really look at that roof.

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It really does look as it's almost going to fall down.

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But stay to repair it has long been the principal shop in the village. So we don't know really how long it goes back. It could have been that and 5082.

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They stands well for business we are of the opinion, the society can advance 220 pounds.

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Remember the 220 pounds for about three slides forward.

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This is the image of 1904.

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Your Goodman was the postmaster, then he and his wife live there. they have four daughters.

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Let's zoom in a little shop window.

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Now I think there's an animal for sale and the bottom right, I think there may be thermos flasks above there. There's an old oil lamp. There's plenty of crockery.

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And in the left hand window that's a mannequin. Now that looks like an officer but it can't be able to fit or not in 1904.

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And there were other clothes and the drapery for sale there. So again, and the again you can see it it says when Ferris post office in 1904.

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This is the building today, or my been 2020 minutes with the picture, and Andrew lives there, very kindly let me in. shared documents with me.

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And then so yes I've got bunches hooks in the kitchen, so they can see in the kitchen. No one after all these years, as wanted to take down the butchers folks at home the meetup.

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So, in the 1890s William raises a mortgage to rebuild the post office which he sells that you're.

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He sells it for 160.

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Now remember he paid 224, and all that. Hundred and 50 paid off all to leave in 10 pounds for him.

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So I think the things may have gone wrong for William pets, and Thomas pits towards the end.

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Let's look at the government's

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in 1911.

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Georges 46 Mary's 38, they have four children, large building on the right, was the shop on the accommodation was a smaller building on the left.

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And the accommodation was a smaller building on the left. And there was a debate amongst some of the people some of my friends in the villages to which we've made around it was, but in the end with the help of Hollywood birth.

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We managed to to work out all the words out there to people came out the shopkeeper came out with the left hand bit through a door into the main building whether was a counter on the post office there.

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Now, you won't know the next little bullet point how far close lane is away.

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I would guess that across the fields, it's probably two miles.

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The Goodman girls used to do deliveries as far away is called clothesline weather for cottages which have been knocked down.

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And one of the stories there is that a lady always gave them a piece of cake.

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But perhaps was so dirty, but they always do the piece of cake away in the field on the way back.

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George Goodman, again, he was there for 36 years, one prosecution by Weights and Measures. And this is for something not blog because of prejudice of the purchaser.

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I assume it was too much water.

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But as George bought them the Lord from grace cooperative society, they were in court to find 10 shillings your journey four shillings cost.

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He retired in 38 1938. And there's a big sale of antiques.

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At the time, the mural heads with the next people to police the building.

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But tragedy struck flat family twice in 1940 their doctor, and was shot dead by account and john john Curtis. Sorry.

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One morning at the entrance to perform buckets hole.

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I think no one really knows what happened but and john have been walking out together, and had been seen the soldier.

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She may have been going to say to john, she was ending the relationship, but she was shot and then john shot himself. 1956 Waldo died 10 days after he shot himself in the head with a revolver.

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On the day his wife said they seem perfectly normal. It was early closing and he went down to the garden. And when his wife took him a cup of tea. He was down the ground.

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They think the role revolver had a defect.

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One of the mysteries, join my projects has been the fact that I have documents, signed by W in your head in 1958, and 1960.

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So I went back to my friend Colin and said hey you couldn't have died in 1956.

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It turns out the documents were signed by his cousin.

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So, local knowledge proved correct and the time, delivering mail

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The village had a postman Peter right he was postponed for 22 years.

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And again, this is an extract from the Essex Herald, right from great but our daily deliver the mail.

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day delivering the mail was in February 18 at a postal alterations and improvements.

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And it says how and obliging postman he was, he been the post from for 22 years. He holds the highest awards that up on a ship.

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And he moved to a different round, because the post office restructured and did more of the delivery direct, both the wooden barriers and to the emerging area with the South.

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At 96 Peter died. It looks like he had a stroke. He regularly went into a shop, sat down as normal, and then seems to have had a stroke.

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Most of what I've found has been amusing and interesting.

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This on afraid is horrific rose Stevens.

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A girl who left in March, in Cambridge, received parcel in the post, and it was a fully developed female charm, a label for the postmark what I'm first, so it was easy to trace way to come from.

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And it appears that hill that Mr Moxon who was a domestic and the employee of the reference Plumtree and sent the password, and so she was arrested, baby was born, 23rd December and posts on Christmas Day by the gardener hills already had one child.

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There is, acres and acres of coverage of this in newspapers of this hand and give that hearing of what happened what was decided.

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Fortunately, in the end, the court took a lenient view and charges were dropped.

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And it was agreed that hill that would go to a homosexuals looks after

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the reasonable course I mentioned at the Father.

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And we all know it takes to.

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And that's a sad story or a sad story.

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But I've included it.

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But it's a little bit of humor.

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Before pubs in the village then can is now in the house the bell is now the bump the butcher's arms, and the clapper later legal both demolished.

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Superintendent Dobson said there's more beer drunken William Ferris than in any other two parishes in the county.

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It seems that it was like the Wild West.

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A 1417 year old boy here got drunk.

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We didn't look any more than 14, and he was charged with being drunk in the street.

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I think they actually had to handcuff him to his own house stopping going back for more beer.

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This was at the butcher's arms, where john always was the landlord, at the time, or it was later arranged for being legless in his own pub, more about him in a minute.

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You find from the reports and the newspapers when, when the licenses changed and whether there was an objection to the license change angle license being continued.

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And here we have the fact that Frederick Saunders was there and it changed john Chapman. In 1881 the census gifts the name anchor for the first time.

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And it's john Chapman, and it transfers to john Charles on blanks in 1892, but by the 1911 census john Healy, and his wife are shown as meats and provision dealers on its own accounts.

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Building was sold in 1912, and the paper states that Victor comet is actually using the building at that time as a noxious Victor is one of the lovable rogues.

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In the story, but I haven't really got time to include much about him today.

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This is anchor house, Jane who lives there has been extremely helpful

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in providing information for me.

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This is the bell. A bit further down the hill.

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In 1938, remember the white railings.

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Can we have a satisfied customer drinking is and you can see in his right hand he's got the chalk on the left hand has to have a look at these wonderful beard, so satisfied customer

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goings on at the bell, right now, 1849 and there was a newspaper report that the landlord john Headingley took Elizabeth Sydney, David to court. She was a servant, he said.

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And she wouldn't quit about.

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You take these luxury pull these ads you tried to bite him.

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He puts out a window and she came back for the other.

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I was thinking immediately a Brian Rick's when I read that.

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But all is not as it seems, and you might guess, john was some of Charlotte hedging late.

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It was a grocer.

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In 1844 you married Hannah Taylor. How long was the daughter of the landlord about a daughter was born the year after, and the year after that I'm afraid Hannah died in 1849 john Edmund Hey Julie baby was born was baptized, at some memories.

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shown his mother. No father is shown on the certificate, depending on who you believe him or her.

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She was offered marriage or she was offered the job of a servant. But certainly, They had a child together.

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And the other side of the story of hair of kicking and biting him is that he was pulling her down the stairs with the baby in her arms.

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And, and it seems that he just simply wants to get rid of her.

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Later on she took him to court for maintenance and got maintenance from him.

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By 1851, he was back in his mother's shop.

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1853 john died at the age of 32.

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Hmm, some story with that family and the bell, but there's more.

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An 1848 john sister Harriet married. William straight from turning in 1851, William is the landlord of the bell.

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But William dies in 1856.

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And so poor old. Hurry. It is a widow.

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And she lives in 1861 with another Charlotte who at 66 is still a grocer living a little further up from the Val Charlotte died at age 18 1874 internally, which is about 20 miles away from here.

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I presume she was living with her daughter, Eliza because they're on that census record at the time.

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Now the butcher's arms and john Morris This is a picture from around about 1907 I could argue from other information about that date but I won't.

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But, Herbert Broadway is the landlord.

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Now, in 1890 jewelry supplied to have his license when you know that less than the Chief Constable of Essex proposed the renewal oppose the renewal on free grounds, or this was not a fit person.

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He struck his customers he stuck his wife, and he was a drunk.

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The House have not been conducted an orderly manner. Anyway, long before the licensed Columbia houses in the parish. That includes one that's now not in the parish but still there are is of course got a testimonial signed by 50 inhabitants of the district

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to say what a jolly good chap he was also the newspaper records that the police constable from what in Paris spoke on his behalf, at the hearing.

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Now that tells you that the police constable was more afraid of journalists than it was the chief constable.

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Anyway, the license was continued the clapper legal.

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There is a 1944 picture of where the eagle is at the top there.

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And what he was has supplied this image of the building.

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And please note that some are two doors there.

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And again, thanks to john company for the help and supply of documents that felt the project.

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This is the eagle system the deeds of the eagle.

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This is waste ground, always referred to as waste ground.

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This is the most likely site for the marketplace in Berlin Paris, because it was just opened ground telephone exchanges built here. The will rights was here.

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And we know that certain people were here, certain time so Thomas but being Jonathan beard. The frontage is 57 feet.

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So, each time the eagle is sold.

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This list is recited. This is a 1900 document that I've, I've typed up here and see exactly what three sided every time the brick tile dwelling can sustain all the weather boarded tile Bakehouse all of that, just to prove that that's what's being passed

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on from one person to another.

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Again, let's look at this drawing of the eagle.

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That part was the brewery, or it was owned by shelf so brewery that was the pub.

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This part was owned by William foster senior.

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He was a wheel right and he died at 48 and his wife continue to this is with some William.

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They suffer a theft of tools in ninth in 1849 and it's our old friend.

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Charles Soule, and this time he gets nine months of labor.

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By 1851 Records tell us that William is actually in the pub ruling the pub, the clapper be a house with his wife Sarah, and it appears that the yellow part may have been at that stage.

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Because the will rise business is finished.

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This tells us that the man left clapper on Tuesday night went out the back door slipped into a hole, it was 15 foot deep and broke he thought, I can't imagine why there was a 15 foot hole out there, but he wasn't expected to survive a wife and child.

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This is one of the funniest stories landlord of the bell visited the clapper 15 minutes after the 8pm closing, and he took a local PC because he was convinced that they were opening.

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After hours, but the case was dismissed, because no one saw beer be involved or consumed. The band that apparently was in front of the two men have been left by two of them and you just left, but no one could remember their names and the men with a beer

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before them swore, they were waiting for the Bible studies to start.

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It's like a last like an excuse from some of the villains in ron paul of the Old Bailey that no one ever believed Weights and Measures.

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Again came to the eagle, and you can see the figures in brackets and read that.

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The best water, the highest one is Thomas Jocelyn you run a 30 gallons still with all the operators, and he was find 30 pounds, 4000, pounds in today's money.

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But again, look at this short wait on just scales earthenware measures that were two and a half ounces or an ounce deficient.

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But just didn't bother.

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and they got fined, and they got caught.

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This is a different sort of story Henry Stephens the baker there, and successfully bed for providing lows so there were counselors but look at the crisis in 1881 he was a five and a half pencil of a bite in 85 he come down 30% to 23 quarter pens.

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That was the agricultural depression, and the whole country.

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You tried to sell the business late Yeah, you too, but no one will buy.

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Because this to the pikes.

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The license transferred to Samuel Cooper.

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In 1898, the eagle is unlicensed the brewery wanted to open a pub down south in central empowers the licensing arthritis and you have to give another one up.

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So they gave up the eagle.

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And the land is bought from law greatly by the brewery. Some your Cooper then buys the land.

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And then he sells it to Mrs Barlow, but notice that the waste on this excluded.

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So the wasteland is, is fenced, and they build it into other properties.

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Mrs Barlow sells it to the comments, we've met him before.

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And Mrs pipe, then runs the jungle souls, and Bollywood with Mrs pike grandson has been a great help here to.

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This is a photograph of the pikes.

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This is Ernest Pike, who fought in World War One.

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This is slums funny pine is his wife and she was the power in this she signed all the documents to rent the eagle Messer her mother, and this is what he witness.

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Mom, France may pipe.

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Earnest help turn the Goose Club wherever he saved up for those.

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And these words are from Bali with that his grandmother Captain menagerie of goats and hands on rabbits and all sorts.

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He made lots of jams and preserves and listen if it was modeled on the top of the jam you scrape the model throw it away anyway so so the gym.

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She made the Christmas party for next year this December, and left it to soak up they'll call that she took Molly down the bus for meetings with vector.

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Now, a dramatic part of their story is that in.

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In 1945 while his father was a coward. He stepped outside of the count bond to relieve himself behind a pilot done.

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And the v2 landed on the farm and killed his colleague.

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So, there were three or four v2 landed on the two villages and World War Two, telephone exchange.

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Again, it was here. It was built here, and blame your Lillian had a house built in 1912. I'm conscious of the time so I'm going to go.

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This is the building, as it is today you can see the telephone pole spoiling the picture of the building.

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This image from 1921 1922.

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We let recently found the Sydney grub least the building of the state.

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And we traced the adverts in the building now to motor cars and he ran a motor car business.

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Apparently, Postmaster General no less rented and lived apparently.

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In this part which was the telephone exchange.

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Set separate shop area is excluded. This is where the shop was, again there are huge gaps in our knowledge of who had this shop. After the grubs.

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The door was taken away, apparently.

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This is anecdotal evidence.

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No one's confirmed it for definite but it is said that the machine gun was set up in those doors which would take the way to control the hill.

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During the Second World War, and interesting the public green. Alec who lives there at the moment maintains this land although its public land.

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Okay, my last subject is pilgrims. And I said, two or three times one privacy is on a hill.

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This is the shop in 19. So, in 2022 years ago.

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It opened in 1925, and this was Leonard patrons first delivery vehicle.

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Like other businesses. If I didn't have what the customer wanted they get it.

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There's also enough license shop was open from eight to 1830, and then they commenced deliveries.

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This is lenders first motor vehicle.

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And on the right. His son and his wife, Jeanne when they retired in 1997. There was a big party at the bell that even when they retired as a celebration.

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Last year, the sons of Frankenstein let me in.

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And this is the inside of the shop, and as you can see top right, but still assign this and cooked all the was a year ago. cook ham.

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At 3pm quarter and that's been changed at least twice.

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And they've sold the building now.

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And but you can see that shop is still laid out as a shop, it was never actually sort of reclaimed to be a lounge on it.

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You could go down the stairs and down the stairs, they were very proud to show me the slab of slate.

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They put the meat on the slate, to keep it cool in the cell.

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This is my penultimate side.

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No, it's my final slide, sorry.

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I've said several times it's on the hill.

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Mrs.

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Pegram versus the weights and measures inspector he came in rather pompously apparently and said to her, I've come to check your store in the fireworks in a proper locked metal covenant.

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She said, Yes, we are.

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But before you, I tell you to show you them clasp your question, yes by them you can.

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And she's a happy girl in a blue car. He said yes.

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And she said, it's just disappeared down the hill.

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He flew out of the door, I was never seen again.

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So, Thank you for listening to me.

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This slide gives you the information about the book, which I got from the printers this week, I'm very pleased with.

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If you'd like a copy of the book you're most welcome.

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piano I finished you can take back if you want.

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Thank you very much. Nice and quiet eventful, and within fetters through the years I think we can say, I'm a huge amount of fascinating work make, and I'm sure we're all thinking about our own local areas, and maybe there are some parallels and similar

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stories and and it is for if I can just add one thing I did want to say was, I would love to encourage you to do something similar in your villages, because the information you find it absolutely amazing.

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And, um, I have enough for six presentations like this, and the other is so much out there, and your village will be the same as, as our villages one.

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And this was the same things going on nationally, and big things going on in history that have shaped how the social history of of the country has changed, and okay we've got a couple of questions here.

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And we heard the sad story about the baby.

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And in the post.

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Do we know why that happened. was there anything in your research that, that, that sort of highlighted five horrible situation that happened.

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The doctor said that the child, probably only live for an hour so.

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And that's really all I know about that i mean i presume that those inspection of by Dr and but the childhood, have been born and lived an hour and then died.

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Okay.

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And with a question from dawn about what is the healer, and that we actually got the answer for one of our other participants and an itinerant trader especially when dealing and data processing pulsing what they used to do was, was by a rabbit from one

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So, what they used to do was, was by a rabbit from one person, and then gone to an expedition so back lobbies or exchange that rabbit for eggs or, or tomatoes or whatever and go around.

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Being a hickey you have to be licensed to be a healer.

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But it's a funny, funny term but if you look it up in any Wikipedia I think there are definitions of regular, and it's quite interesting.

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And question here from Jackie, and she's asking Have you registered all your hard work as a one please study.

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I don't know what a one place study is a link here in the chat for you so you'll be able to look at that, I'll make sure to get that mic and. Okay, now let's see what else we have got and.

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No, actually, I've got a question for you. If not, it means me asking a question for a little change.

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And what's been your favourite part of actually, you know, undertaking this project so obviously been a huge, huge amount of work, what have you enjoyed most about it.

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I think the redemption of Victor comet. Now, I've mentioned Victor a couple of times and it appears that he was a horrid man.

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He was drunk and disorderly, he drove cars after he was banned.

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He inverted commas liberated army stores in 1945 and went to prison.

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He bought 11 gross of x. 11 doesn't have xR Johnson market illegally sold them, and he couldn't remember we born from couldn't remember who eats all winter.

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So not a nice man you might think.

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But his grandson, a shared a lot of information about him, and it appears to in the First World War. He was in in the in the sonic or in the Dardanelles where the Turks came over and he was in trench warfare with the Turks, and he would wake up in the

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middle of the night.

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And this is in the 1940s 1950s, and he would shout the Turks are coming.

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Now he's his grandson says that's why he drank to get to sleep, that are also stories Where is his son with Glenn his grandson met somebody in the village, and the village, the shops at all, we would never as children have had any sweets, without, Victor.

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And it's a merger of that vector us to give the children a bag.

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And they would fill them with acorns which he could give to his pigs and the deal was, if you feel a bag of acorns you got a penny.

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And this loud said, Well, me and my brother filled the acorns, but my sister and he got four or five, and so did my little sister, they all got the penny.

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Each Victoria, leave rabbits on your doorstep. If you weren't went off. If you weren't when awfully went to his shop he would move the chopper along so you've got more meat.

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So, um, yeah.

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He was not like, perhaps, different bad things but he did have a soft center and so that, I mean, there was so much about Victor, and again that this, the data sheet has 3530 pages about him.

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That that was that was my favourite but ok now actually we got a lot of comments here from Susie, and she's saying she'll see Woodham Ferrers through very different eyes when she next drives through and hoping they have just had the first meeting to do

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a similar project.

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Well if you want any help, please get in touch via Fiona, and I will share with you the one I did things, and you can copy or not copy I'm happy to share.

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I'm happy to another way or you're living if you're too far away from getting my documents and stuff in shape, I think you all but I mean I'm thinking about the village where I moved to him but a dog sure Westham when we first got my history there really

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should be going into I want people in future generations to be able to see what it was like.

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And get Yeah, I'm sure you could do that, too.

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And just insane that, you know, another question that, that I was gonna ask you actually is.

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What would you say has been the most useful source of information, sort of during during your research in this project what's what's been most useful Do you think all sorts of sources lots of all sorts of sources but, again, people have wanted to help

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people with their deeds.

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One of them who will remain nameless said to me, Well, can I have your phone number if I'm given the dates and the address in case you don't go back with them.

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But somebody else said to me, Well, here's the stuff. I live in Spain, most of the time I'm coming back.

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Coming back in July I've gotten from from you then.

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And it's just been marvellous how people have opened up and wanted to share, because I'm an incomer I've only been here for two years.

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Good evening, everyone. Thank you for that introduction.

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Fiona. I hope you enjoy the lecture tonight.

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Thanks for asking me to give this lecture as well.

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Fiona So i'm gonna share my screen with you now if everything goes okay

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Can everybody show you that. Okay, yes, I think we can, Jack.

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Okay, right. I mean, this is for black history months.

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Obviously i'll i'll crack on Now most people think that black footballers, my their first appearance in English football following the wind rush generation you Can't Britain in the early 1950 s from the

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Caribbean but that isn't the case there's a relatively small number of black footballers, who might an impression on the English kind.

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Not really other than that this isn't working now, oh, there we go!

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This is also in 1,997.

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He became the first black person footballer in England as well as the 100 Yards World record holder.

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He was from Ghana, and you came to Breton in the 1980 S.

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It's seen as a missionary that became a professional sportsman instead applying football for Preston North End and Robin

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But while he was beaten, the best on the tracks and fields of Britain, the people's the continent of his birth, we're being recast as lesser than human beings, the tool garn ion

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irritated white supremacist, because his education and sporting triumph with viewed their theories in the late Victorian era.

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When britain's economic and political power reached its peak, and when the dominant ideas of the age labeled all blacks as inferior, it was perhaps not expedient to proclaim the exploits of an

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Africans sportsman. I explain that because I think this is the why that Won't and other black the fat black footballers were forgotten, because, as his sporting powers, wind so did he find an earning power Walton died a

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penniless coal miner and his grave remained unmarked until 1990.

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7. How do we know about what? and other black footballers around that time?

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In Well, in 1991 Phil Vasily essential historian, had uncovered some old photographs and decided to trace the early history of a relatively small number of black footballers in quit before world war

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2 that had been forgotten, and also have I would discriminate against this encouraged other social historians to do the same.

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And as a consequence, of that ashley's book has become somewhat dating, because, although it was discovered that Bolton was indeed the first black professional report he wasn't the first black footballer current knowledge.

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I guess that this man was Andrew watson Watson was the first British black player we called it, who played for the Edinburgh Club Queens Park in the 18 seventies.

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Although Queens part were then, and until 2,019 actually an Emma to club.

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Nevertheless, he also played for Scotland against England. But probably the most famous of the early black players was this man walk to town?

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Oh, was born in Foxton in *, and grew up in the East end of London towels fold.

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Huh! was the son of a slave. We would come from Barbadius in 1,876. after serving an apprenticeship as a printer, Tau play professional football.

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The Tottenham, Hotspur, and Northampton Town.

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19 is debut for spurs in 99 9 tell me, was often horrified at the racist treatment that you received from football fans, but he also had his defendants, not only amongst supporters, but also in the

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establishment, including in the press, who were also disgusted at the treatment he often received.

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After one game against Bristol City in 19 o 9, the Northampton Echo reported.

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A section of the spectators made a cowardly attack upon him in language lower than Billings Gate.

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Let me tell these Bristol hooligans. There were a few of them in the crowd of 20,000 that tally so clean in mind and method as to be a model for all white men who play, for or whether they be amateur

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or a fashion Toll was about the sign for Glasgow Rangers when the First World War broke out, and he volunteered for the British Army

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So dedicated and popular, was tall. He was quickly promoted to sergeant, and then recommended for officer training.

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Now, despite military regulations forbidding in the inverted commas, any negro or person of color.

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Being an officer commanding white soldiers, he received his commission in 1917, so, besides being the only only the second.

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But professional football in England. He was also the first black officer in the British army.

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He was renowned as a very brave officer who led from the front.

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In 1918 toll was shot in the head on the front line.

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His men risk their own lives to save Tal, giving him first aid, whilst under heavy fire, despite great efforts to save him. So Tel died at the age of just 29, Northampton.

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Who remember he applied for Northampton Town proudly, shall, with a pub named after him.

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Outside the ground on water Towel Y, and a statue of him in the center of the town.

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In the 1920 S. and 19 thirties. there were quite a few other black players, and and one well known black file was the parish.

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I was play for bad food part. I have a new bomb of Luton Town and Northampton town, and he was the first black professional planer.

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Apply for one of the home countries implied for Wales in 1931 a contemporary of Paris.

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Oh, he played both with and against was Jack Leslie.

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Leslie was born in the East End of London.

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The sound of a Jamaican father and a mother from Islam.

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Now, let's see, was a prolific goals score applied first for Barking town in the East End, and then for Plymouth.

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Our guile in the 1,900 twentys and 1930 s.

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He scored so many goals that in 1,925 he was told by his manager that his manager had been informed that license have been picked for England.

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It became the talk of Plymouth. No Plymouth, our goal player had ever been picked for England before.

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Now, at that point pliers were picked for England by an F.

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A committee, not by a manager, and apparently they had picked him on his reputation.

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There were no television cameras in those days and pictures of him Hadn't reached Hafi headquarters, but I went to walk him a few days after that, and when the team was eventually announced, Billy Walker of Aston Villa

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was picked as center forward, involved with them. Jack leslie Jack Leslie Lighter said I didn't ask out why I hadn't been.

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I could see by their faces that it was awkward, and then, speaking in 1978.

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We went on to say, I did hear that Efi had come to have another look at me, not at me football, but at me face.

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They asked and found that made a record found out about me, Daddy, and that was it.

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No one ever told me officially that had to be the reason I must have forgotten.

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I was a colored boy. I found out I was a darky, and I suppose that was like finding out.

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I was following, he added, I used to get a lot of abuse in matches here, Darky, i'm gonna break your leg dead.

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Shout. There was nothing wicked about it. They were just trying to get under my skin.

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References, often derogatory, were frequently made in the media to his race.

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Ethnicity or color. These are some of the less racist comments that he had.

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When When he finished his playing career in 1934, he returned to the East End.

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The workers of boil America and play amateur football for barking again in the 19 sixties.

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The West Hand manager, Ron Greenwood gave him a job as a boot boy over 15 years.

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He claimed the boots of the likes of Bobby Moore, carry rednap, and have a booking until the age of 80, when he retired, and he died in 1819 80.

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8, there will be a statue of him in Pllymouth.

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Actually tomorrow, it's being erected but until a couple of years ago.

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There was nothing up West hand now. fiango already told you that I'm.

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A West hands older. Okay. couple of years ago, me and a couple of my West Hand nights launched a campaign for the club to recognize his contribution to the club in some way or other, and consequently there's now a plaque

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in reception at the club dedicated Yeah, as well as noon council, putting up a blue plaque.

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These former address in the East End, moving on from those times in the post-war era. as I said, with the influx of black people of the Wind rush generation, we started to say more and more black violence.

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In the 19 sixtys and 1,900 seventys black bias started to make a greater impact on Polish football.

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Hi, just like Clyde, best for example now i'm not just signed that this, because on the West Hampshire client best was the mutant, and he was an extremely popular player at last time until the next generation

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of black pliers who came through. He was a role model Pollen, the black player, Paul Links, who like to be kind England cap bye bash simply as the legend.

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There were other black players around in the 19 sixties and 19 seventies.

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Black players, such as Albert Yo hansen for example, Johansson didn't come from the Caribbean, though you came from South Africa to play for lead in 1,961.

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He was on the second black player to play for leads, and he was the first black footballer in the post-war era to make a big impact on the guy.

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Yeah, Handsome was a clever winger applied for ye lead for 9 years, making a 197 appearances, and scoring 67 goals with them.

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Memorable hat tricks in European guines. Unfortunately, after leaving football, Johansson became an alcoholic, and lived much of the rest of his life in squalor.

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In 1,995 at just 53, he was found dead in his flat and a tower blocking lanes. Now, like many black footballers. During his career he had taken a lot of racist abuse from

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opposing pliers and supporters alive. Now, whether this had anything to do with his lights of problems.

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He's very hard to sign Huh! as the same photo shows The problem that black players faced was that as often the only black player in the team they felt and were isolated and often lacked the support a fellow clients who

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didn't know what it was like to be racially abused.

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They were also easy to targets for the races.

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By the late seventies. They were still only about 50 black professional planners.

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In the whole of the 92 link clubs, first team squads that was less than one attain.

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But things were changing.

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Now sure popular misconception that West Bombage, albeit Manager Ron Atkinson, was the first manager to to play in the top flight with 3 black wires in his team.

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Ron Greenwood, manager of West Hand, was the first first when in April, 1972.

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He included these 3 suppliers in his chain.

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I to apply topman potsper, which was a local which was, and he is a local Darby that Atkinson's inclusion, all 3 black clients in his highly successful West Pomager albion team in The 1,900 and

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seventys is probably more remember, dubbed them the 3 degrees, and they were Laurie, counting them still wages, and Brendan Batson.

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Laurie Countingham was a very gifted winger, who later went on to play for real Madrid, but he died in a car crash at a very young age.

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So wages whose brother John went on to become a successful winter

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And so went on to play for England. Brendan Batson, who, when he retired, rose to become the deputy chief executive of the players.

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Union the professional football associate that's for will not Well, what happened to to him ironically Atkinson was later sacked as a Tv commentator for my team races.

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3. Now, when he thought the mic was off he called the former Chelsea and French international player marcel dese and I won't use the term they used, but it included the f word and the n word and what

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The black footballer said that he was stunned.

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After all, the actions are done for black pliers. So even after Atkinson have broke the wrong, it was still not easy for black clients.

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None but I had ever been picked for England, being English, for a lot of people meant being white.

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For example, apply i'm going to talk a little bit more about later on.

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John Bones As a 20 year old John Barnes scored the greatest individual goal ever seen at the spiritual home of the beautiful game.

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The Mac, now now a kind of stadium in Brazil, and actually against Brazil.

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But on the point back to England if you've never seen the go look it up.

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It's a fantastic job on the plane back to England phones was abused by a group of English fans told him that his goal didn't count as a goal for England because he was black not English

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Sounds wasn't the first to be picked for the England squad, West Bond strike a several regions who have already mentioned what he was picked for the squad.

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He later received the letter from the post. Inside was a live bullet, with a note saying that if he ever played for England he would get one of these through his leak cap.

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But in the event we just wasn't the first black part to fly for England.

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It was this man Dv. Anderson. Riva Anderson was a very accomplished fallback, who played for Nottingham Forest under brine cloth, and was picked by Bobby Robson, who was England manager.

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At the time, but to that for the under 21 European championship qualifier against Denmark in 1982 Watson had

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We say you type mile for including black pliers with Anderson, Wiki Hill, John Barnes, still regis all Davis and Chris White in his squad, the first black player to Captain England, which wasn't in significant because there

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was a stereotype at that time always the stereotype was always that black pliers might be very creative fires.

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That they're not really leaders, are the first black wire The Captain England was this man, and Paul Lynn in a match against the United States in 1,994.

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The race is stereotype and legacy of colonial attitudes.

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A previously prevented black fires from captain in England.

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In the late seventies and early eighties there had been an explosion of black talent onto the professional football pitches of England.

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What did this happen? One reason is that pioneers, like the 3 degrees, had become well models for black children who would follow in their footsteps.

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People like you might right started off in Sunday League football, and I played on some of the same pitches that him right did and was picked up by Crystal Palace when he was 22 years of

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age. He is always said that the early pioneers, such as best cunning on Regis and bats, were a great inspiration to him.

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I think this shows the importance of well models, and this is demonstrated by Alice Kashmir in his 1990 studying of black sportsmen.

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And what is known as self-fulfilling prophecies.

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And it goes something like this. The teachers and parents think that black children are not very academic, especially in math.

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But it good at sports, so they encourage them in schools football and other sports, and don't bother too much with them.

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In the classroom, I mean, this is this has changed since the nineties, but this was the the stereotype.

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Then, consequently, black parents encouraged their children by most oops, and encouraged by the positive label in sports, especially as you know the spheres of life.

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They are usually labeled negative bye, reject the academic world.

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But participate enthusiastically in football, at school and elsewhere, as they believe teachers and parents, when they tell them that this is the most likely route to success in life, and that leads to success because a disproportionate

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number of black children make it to the top in football.

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As a result, and so the prophecy is confirmed.

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Teachers and payments. Take this as agitants. Good night.

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People proved right all along. The black kids are good at football.

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This encourages teachers and parents to you know encourage black built children to play for even more.

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If you've noticed on other black children and as minorities, black people are noticed much more by children parents and teachers alike when they do well at such high profile, at least like flying professional football and this leads to emulation.

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and encouragement Children want to emulate their heroes on football as seen as something that they can succeed at parents, see football, something to encourage their children, and teachers believe that black people are naturally good at football.

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I'm. not a mess on the evidence, However, there is a more structural approach to explaining the explosion of black footballers in the 1,900 eightys.

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Now this is provided by Steve Copper, who was next Manchester United Winner.

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Hmm. became Crystal Palace manager, and he has a more structural theory.

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When he was Crystal Palace manager. When I got to the cup final in the early nineteenth he was off.

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Why there were so many black players in his team, and in 1993 Crystal Palace fielded 8 black pliers for the whole game against Lester City, including the now very famous Mark Bryant Don't Sell our colony

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invite, as we apply to that question, was that most of the best pliers that had always come from poor world-class area in Britain.

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These areas, he said, are now mostly black, also structures as of disadvantaged closed doors for young black men.

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In other more confidential attitude to success Now this argument of Steve Couples is expressed academically by James Wellvin, who is author of the People's Game I've met James a few times and You know he's a

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great social historian, and if you never read the people's game you should read it so great.

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And this is what James Welding said. Young blacks in Britain grew up in communities which are often already influenced by the attackments and loyalty to local football teams.

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The oldest idiot in zoom But we're close to those industrial complexes, and they're working class communities which are traditionally give such a little support throughout the century It was then perfectly natural

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that many young blacks should gravitate for supporting their local teams in the major cities.

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It was also predictive. mend you these use would seeking for all the challenges and success which seemed elusive in other walks of life.

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Then this success wasn't easily one yeah there was a long history of stereotyping, of black clients by managers and countries, and research is consistently shown that these stereotypes still existed until until

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relatively recently. and the stereo charts were were like this.

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Well, they've got plenty of flare huh? you know they're all like Peli, Huh!

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You know they're not consistent they're not good in the map.

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They carry chips on their shoulders. they have no stamina or determination.

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They don't like the cold weather. Hi have a natural lack of discipline by lack bottle.

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When the going gets tough they can't stick It However, this kind of led to a self-fulfilling prophecy regarding the positions that most black buyers fighting.

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For a long time, however, a number of black players helped to dispel these none more so than this map.

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Homeograph. Mcguff is the sound of an Irish mother and a Nigerian father.

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It was a tough tackling, no nonsense center back who played for Manchester, United Aston, Villa Darby County, and shuffled, united as well as web, representing

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Ireland. On 83 occasions he won the professional football as association player of the year, award in 1,993.

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But despite players like the graphs stereotyping, continue. Now, a good example of this stereotyping was provided by this man.

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Ronnode. One note was chairman at the Crystal Palace.

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When they were very successful in the early nineties when you've couple, was manager, but unlike is more much more progressive manager, Steve Pop.

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When Black Bios, he and Lights Mark Bright and John Shalakon played in the Crystal Palace team in the early 1990 S.

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One nodes actually said this the black wires at this cloud, then the side a lot of skill and flare.

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But you also need white players to balance things up. Give the take some brains in common sense.

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Thanks. Steve Couple must have had his head in his hands, and once they had got past these barriers in the 1970 S.

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And 19 eighties players had to tolerate torrents of abuse from the terraces, which included chance phones and the boeing of black players.

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Monkey noises when a black player had the bowl assaults on black pliers and supporters, and throwing the known as and peanuts and black players.

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Not of this was orchestrated by the extreme right, but not all of it.

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With regard to the following of bananas are black players.

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Dave, He'll wrote this book about the experiences of the England player, John Bonds, when he became the first blackpire to play for Liverpool.

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Well, well, strictly speaking, I mean Dave Hill describes him as the first black in red.

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But Strictly speaking, he Wasn't the first Black part apply for Liverpool's guy called Howard Gail in 1977, but that was always on the periphery you're not only ever played a

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handful 13 games, as you can see from Dave Hills book.

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Cover regularly. hypnotist from in from the palaces.

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He was subjected terrible abuse week in, week out, not least so everton phones in the low darling, who chanted very loudly, so that it could be heard on match of the time Everton White Bombs also got very little

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support from within the guine. When asked about the significance of signing the first black football off a little pool, his manager said he didn't see a black portfolio just a foot formula and the attitude of all levels

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of the guine was this kind of color blindness, the color blindness, denied the achievements of black pliers against you know what they faced week in, week out, and also it masked an institutional race.

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System. So do you. Despite racism, being endemic in football, nobody in the game ever talked about it publicly.

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Match of the day didn't even mention the terrorist abuse of Barnes, even though it could be very clearly home.

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The attitude of journalists, radio and television, commentators.

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The Football association, and the club Managers was don't dignify with a response.

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Black pliers were encouraged to suffer in silence and off answer the abuse on a plane better.

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In the end some block pliers could take no more, and spoke out very publicly about it.

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You right, was the most high prof profile player to do so.

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Also it was left to decent football fans, of which there were, and are many to do, something about it.

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In the 1990 S. racism was confronted head-on by fans tridunions, anti-fascist organizations, fansings, and the football Support association took action that's the fi and clubs, had in ignored it

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For years years the Fans took the initiative off with the help of organizations like the anti-racist alliance.

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The Anti-nazi League, and so on.

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One of the most successful groups was leads united against racism and fascism, which included supported Scotes; that they each trace council, and they, even the police and some abilities united pliers.

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However, the football authorities were ambivalent, or sometimes even hostile.

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So, for example, the group against the Nazis were threatened with legal action by the club.

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They continued using the Club's logo there had been years of a conspiracy of about the problems.

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And the attitude was, This is our business not yours or we don't have a problem, or if we ignore it might go away.

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This was an attitude adopted by the media as well or we won't, dignify it by talking about it, and give races the oxygen of publicity.

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However, the pressure deep bring about change. Racist chanting, was outlawed.

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The first law was in 1991 and there've been several updating of the law.

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Since then. The Commission for Racial Equality inspired Kick it out.

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Campaign, and this was eventually and only gradually supported by the Professional Footballers Association.

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The Football Association. The Premier league and the Football League, as well as by most of clubs and the Government's football task force.

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Report made recommendations that were taken up with the establishment of of the Let's kick racism out of football organization.

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To sign up to this Clubs had to agree to issue a statement of policy.

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That action will be taken against fans involved in in decent and racist chanting, and this must be printed in the program and displayed permanently and prominently over the ground.

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I must make announcements on match dies. These must condemn races chanting a warm That action will be taken.

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They must make it a condition of getting a season ticket not to take part in basis behavior.

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Clubs have to agree to type action to prevent racist literature.

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That must type discipline, reaction against offending pliers.

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In other words, players who shout racist, abuse, or other players.

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2 times. I must sell visiting clubs with their policy.

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They must have a common strategy for Stewart and police.

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So you know how on how to deal with offenders.

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They must remove racist graffiti at their grounds.

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And they must agree to do this as a matter of urgency, if and when it years, and they must adopt equal opportunities.

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Policies with regard to employment, and this provision there will also be dedicated.

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Kick it out by use. That, for all this is a Blackburn Rovers, as we one was agreed that the situation became much better.

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When I wish we shouldn't have been so complacent it didn't go away because it's scary to where it's ugly head again in 2,012 we had the incident where the

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Chelsea in England. Captain John Terry, with his hand covering his mouth, was aeged to have race alleged to have racially abused. Queensland is defender, and Tom Ferdinand, by calling him a

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black. see? Terry denied this. He said that he actually called in a blind.

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Okay, it ended up. We've the cps unsuccessfully prosecuting Terry.

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But the F. A. finding him £220,000, and bang it, banning him for 4 matches, the using insulting words which included a reference and time.

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Ferdinand power or race how we continued to deny racism. But we tied from international football as a result of the case.

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Now whilst it wasn't proven conclusively. This was followed the following week by Chelsea fans counting Anton third in.

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And you know what you are at a champion so they've done, but not only that also in the same game.

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It was reported. but when Chelsea bought on their substitute backual storage, one fan shouted out, Look!

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They're bringing on the monkeys now it wasn't so much this comment by one neanderthal. you know a racist idiot that was so shocking.

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It was the reaction of the crowd, many of whom thought that it was hilarious.

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But it will be unfair to pick out Chelsea, especially as the club themselves totally condemned.

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The fans involved in both incidents and up the mount. to eliminate racism from their club and form.

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Yeah terrorists. In any case, these attitudes were still to be found throughout football.

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Kick it out, changed its 9 to one game, one community, and it in its annual week of action, highlighted.

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The need for continued vigilance. Indeed, there continued to be numerous incidents of racial abuse on the pitch at the highest level.

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The most scandalous remarks, however, came from the very top set blatant when he was question of faithful the world governing body. Firstly, climbing the racism didn't exist in fall i'm then when he

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was shouted down, said that racial abuse on the pitch could be settled by a handshake between the pliers.

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The end of the guy, faced with a barrier of complaints and condemnations from around the world.

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Latter was forced to apologize, admitting, using unfortunate words that he deeply regretted.

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However, he refused to resign black is flatter's comments on race system use, or a furious reaction from many pliers with David Beckham.

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Only a press press conference to call his remarks appalling I'm.

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Real third demand 22 very strongly worded condemnation.

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But

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But Ferdinand, from then on refused to wear a kick it out on the kick.

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It out, though longed home, and Osley insisted it was ridiculous. applies to not way of t shells.

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It's ridiculous to say that by not wearing a T.

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Share or by not supporting kick it out you're actually going to change things.

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39 response was you know it's token It's a token gesture We need to do something more substantive about racism.

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Over the years. The next few years the resurgence of far white groups like written first.

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The English Defense League, New kept fueled, arising racism in general society, and football in particular.

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You know Rahim Sterling was one that was abused and laughed about it on the pitch.

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He lighter said, regarding what was said at the Chelsea game.

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As you can see by my reaction I just had to laugh because I don't expect no, no back to abandoned yang arsenal was regularly abused.

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Dandy rose the top, who was planning at top them at the time when he played for England, suffered so much abuse that he said he couldn't wait to hang up his boots couldn't wait to retire from

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football and in data international level in the euro, 2220 qualifier between Bulgaria and England.

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It was whole ticket twice because of nicest chanting and racist abuse.

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Nazi Salutes and Monkey Chance directed at England.

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Pliers. I'm garrett's south Guy to his credit confronted the referee and asking what you intend to do about it, and he later said that if he's pliers decided at any time in

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the future to walk off the pitch because of graces.

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He will give them his phone support. back at home we had Rudy go, for example.

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Was had monkey gestures made to him from the spur, so called supporter, and he gestured the referee about the abuse he had received.

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The referee stop the game after being made away with the abuse, and 3 announcements were made in the spading.

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Also in in December, 2,019 at the Manchester Darby Guy.

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This Manchester City so-called. Sir Walter made monkey noises.

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The Black Manchester united by Fred Every time he got the ball.

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However, things were and are changing because the other Manchester City support was around him.

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All reported his behavior to the referee, and he was some subsequently banned for life.

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Decent supporters, who are the vast majority, are now standing up to these vile races.

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Indeed! the checklist player antonio rudiga got a huge number of messages of support from opposition spaghetti.

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I'm coming to the end very shortly on sky sport. Very nephew who is a pandit, and probably 4, is a former Manchester.

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You might apply probably one of the best pundits on television blind.

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The racist rhetoric we were seeing an upset of in football on politicians, and he singled out Boris Johnson for creating an atmosphere where some people think that this behavior is acceptable both in

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society and the football we meant. Boris Johnson had called Black people in Africa.

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Picking in is with Walter Melon, smiles, and that the Queen has come to love the commonwealth, partly because it's the applies her with regular cheering clouds of flight, flag waving waving picking

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in his use the word Nigerian as an insult.

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He said that black people made him feel uncomfortable, and that parts would be anti, race, anti-racism, industry should be dismantled.

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He described the look person with phones in the white of the killing of Stephen Lawrence as Orwellian stuff from the Pc.

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Brigade, so never was Spot, On pointing out the effect that this races rhetoric has on society and internal football when it comes from the Prime Minister himself.

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Following the resurgence of racism and the racist mode of George Floyd in the United States

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Premier League parties through their union. took the collective decision to take the need before every premier link down

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But that it's hard to just suspend that this reason i'm only doing on special occasions, because they say it's having less effect.

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Now and some plus, and some black players were refusing to do it because they said it was just a token gesture, but something more substantial should be done.

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There were other incidents where, when Milwaukee took the that applies to the knee, and Milwaukee fans booed, the players decided not to type the name anymore, because they didn't want to give them

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the opportunity to boom I I I think they're wrong.

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But anyway, So finally you know, I just want to say that racism is endemic in society, and this is reflected throughout the game of football.

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Not just at the elite level. don't run the idea that racism just happened or happens in the hypothesis.

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Professional guide. Thousands of amateur pliers you play week in, week out, just for the love of the game were, and are regularly and systematically used and discriminated against far more than in the professional guide.

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Now things have greatly improved since those stop phases, but we should be have a feature, and and continue to fight against all forms of racial prejudice on discrimination.

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And finally, racism is not just manifested in individual acts of race system.

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Use and discrimination as might be suggested by some of what I've had to say. it's institutionalized in football, as it is in society in general, So, for example, of the 92 premier

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league and football. League clubs only a handful. Have black manages, despite the number of footballers that we've had black.

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Now you know when it comes to managerial roles they're still seems to be institutionalized in football.

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The whole idea that you know Black X players are not intelligent enough to hold top positions in management.

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Thank you very much for listening, and not kind of run over a little bit. but I hope not so.

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Time. Thanks with much for that, Jack, and we've got some questions. I don't know if you want to take your slides down.

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That's great and I shall just move quickly onto some questions, and for everybody.

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Now. We were just talking about ticking the knee there just at the end.

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No, we have a question from Andrew. if I can just find it.

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He's asking? I guess this Will be a personal opinion from you?

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What do you think of the minority of fans who do boot players taking the knee?

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Is it racism put in simply, or Is this some misunderstanding of what Black lives matter is actually about?

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That's a good question because some of the posts that i've seen on Facebook.

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I've suggested that black lives latteries matter is some sort of Marxist organization.

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It was started in a America because some of those who started the Black Lives matter movement in America also declare themselves as Marxists.

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The players are always denied that that doesn't seem to have had an effect on some support is who I suspect.

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You know one fit to be the case but you know it's very difficult to sign, but i'll have to say that games that I've been at since they started taking the name that the overwhelming majority do a pull

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get okay. thank you, Jack, No let's have another question here.

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Yeah, this is a question from Helen actually this came in while the goal.

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Let's have a look do you have a view about by almost no Asian footballers, perhaps with the exception of one or 2 from South Korea and Japan have made any progress whatsoever in the particular game I don't know

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if you have any thoughts around that. Oh, I have a lot of folks about that.

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I used to do a lecture on it so there there's a lot that can be said about it.

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And I i've also written book chapters there's a a book called finishes in football by Dan Bird, c.

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That I have a tractor in in Why, Why, there are very few items at West Hand.

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But there, there's other chapters in that book and there's other books that Dan Bird see is a good song, Denver.

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She is an academic at Brighton University, and Dan has written a number of books about Asian football.

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It was also a series of reports one is called Asians don't play football and the second one in the series, I think, was called Asian still don't play football, and what the what

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the authors are saying is that that there is this kind of belief.

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And it extends to coaches and scouts and so on in the game that well I usually don't like football.

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They play cricket but you know if you if you actually look at

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What's going on you find that asians play football in huge numbers, and just don't make it to the top.

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Now one of the reasons for that. is that When scouts go out looking for pliers, they don't.

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They go to familiar hunting grounds. I don't go to the places where Asians play football.

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So, for example, I used to live in leach for a while and in and around the Leach area there is an Asian football lake. There's an Asian football league in London as well They get very few

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scouts coming to watch the clients and that's one reason

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Another reason is that I shouldn't families although I shouldn't do play football and I mean the the evidence suggests from the service that have been done that the vast you know just to percentage of asians by

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football as those in the White Cup population, and also support for all, as in the white population.

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But you know, in terms of playing they they play for fun.

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And their parents discouraged them for thinking about it as a career in some incertation.

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Groups, not not inalization groups. also there are you know why? Why, there aren't Asians, you know, a large proportion of ages of football crowns, and maybe type my club West hand until recently, I

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mean the the East End of London. At the 9, 2,000 11 census and 59% of the Eastern population came from minority ethnic groups, and something like 33% of Bangladesh of

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the eastern population the band of Bangladeshi origin.

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Yet the number, or at that time the number of supporters of Bangladeshi origin at Upton Park, where West time used to play, was not percent.

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And why is that? and there's a whole host of reasons as they are I'm.

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Sure there are many other clubs. first of all the club didn't do much to encourage I should So, for example, before you know, you you've got your season ticket online.

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They used to send out a phone and on the phone it says 7 9 question 9.

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Of course, you know the the majority of Asians in the East End of London are not Christians at all.

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They're Muslims i'm also offering apply and a point as a prize for getting the

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The questions you want in a quiz and of course I don't think no Muslims don't drink by and large.

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Also there are other reasons like, for example, some clubs like Blackburn Rovers were the first to install a prayer room for Asians Asian fans to come to guns who kind to gang West hat my club

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appointed to both members of staff for for the Faith communities, and both of them are Church of England.

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Vickers so I mean there's there's a whole host of reasons why I don't go as support is.

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The sites which you know the racism that they suffered on the terraces as far as football as a concerned.

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You know as I say there's a whole host of reasons why they don't.

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But it's. Not that they don't like football or they don't play football because they do like football, and they do play football, and I just don't like it to the top.

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Okay, thank you, Jack, No, we've got a question here from Sue?

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Where's our black woman players and when women's football was as popular as men's before it was banned It's it's a question I thought about before I did this lecture and I don't know

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the answer, because all of the black footballers in the early years that I've uncovered I have have been male footballers, and when I look at all of the pictures of women's teens you know in that early part of the

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twentieth century, when women's football was very popular. I can't find a picture of the single black woman player that they probably are.

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Some, and someone might may be able to supply me with some. I hope so.

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But you know the the the most successful ladies teams in that period.

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I can't see that any of them had black plants. Okay, right?

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We're pretty much out of time folks I think but it just wanted to to meet 1 point.

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We had a comment. it's not so much a question but a comment. from Tulsa, which is the credit reports, suggest that racism is not institutionalized.

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So she finds it really interesting that you recognize that point. right?

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Okay, Yep. So So I think that's probably us for today, folks, and thank you very much for Jet for that, Jack.

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That was really really eye-opening, and I hope everybody out there enjoyed that.

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Thank you very much. this is Mike Grundy.

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I'm very glad to see some of the students that I've worked with over the past years, so either but hi to everybody and i'm looking forward to going through today this this talk on the Moscow Metro

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which, like London and the session, I did a few months ago.

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The Russians have covered the walls of the Metro with artwork and decor, which extoles the the greatness of the Russian or Soviet state the the history of it, and the great people within it so without further Ado

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I will try and get some of those visuals to you, but we will have a quick introduction to Moscow itself.

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Before we dive down underground. So I will look to bring up my images, which so what a 1,000 words says, Of course

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That doesn't look like it's on fill screen mike. Actually, if it's a bit odd, I don't know whether that's just on my screen, or everybody else's just I think that might just be mine. i've just changed mine and it seems to be okay, so

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that's okay. i'm just moving things around to make it.

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Easier for me to control the system and so hopefully you now have a full image that i'm presenting

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So I will commence do shout to fear in particular if there's anything I miss.

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So art and decor Moscow metro one can only define it as or classified as sumptuous, as we will see.

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I've gotta still do some maneuvering on this right?

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Okay, So let's look at moscow itself the very center of Moscow.

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This picture shows the approach from the south into Red Square.

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So on the left we have the Kremlin, the towers of the Kremlin, which dot the walls, and then on the in the center we see gum, the spires of gun, the great departmental store.

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Which these days looks like any Western shopping mile, with all so small shops and many international trade months.

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On the right we have some basels. this fairy tale,

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Of Russian vernacular architecture all of those onion domes and the glorious colors.

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You'll only see one example of that in some Petersburg, which is the one time capital developed in the Western style in Moscow. we'll see this kind of architecture in many places looking at a map and this is my

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very simple map of Moscow, just to orient you in terms of finding the metro, how the metro serves the city.

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We have here the very center with the Kremlin, which is a triangular fortified space with not many of the government buildings within it, but also cathedrals and other institutions, and on the right of the Kremlin you see

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the red square, and on the other side of the square gun of the Yellow Arrow is the view that we looked at in that first slide, and various small amounts of green space to to rise to the grandeur and the overall

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scenario of Central Moscow, with the Moscow River and a canal at the bottom of the chart.

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There in blue, and if we look at one or 2 of the major buildings that mark that area central area moscow, we see on the right some basels.

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We've already seen it on the left we see the Cathedral of Russia.

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The Russian authorities Church, which star in blue to pieces, so that he could put a a monumental piece of architecture, lording the state of himself in its place.

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And then in the 99 she's in the recovery from the Communist Era. it was rebuilt exactly as was at the top.

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We have the famous Bullshorey Theater, and at the bottom we see one of those anachronisms that we find in Russia.

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This is a statue of a sailing ship with dials, peach of the Great, the great naval pioneer of where he built the Russian navy.

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Actually the statue was built to commemorate Christopher Columbus, but the spish, and in particular the those people are revealed did not want such a statue, and so it was acquired by the Mayor of

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Moscow, and renamed the statue of Peter the Great.

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Strange. Moscow, in fact, has expanded, like most cities, in a very even manner, and successive city walls to defend the city as it grew,

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Were built from the 3 inner ones are here. The central squares ring, the boulevard ring, the garden ring.

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As in most cities, those walls, areas of the walls have now become ring roads.

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And so the best way to get around Moscow, if you are wanting to get from one side to the other, is no doubt the garden ring or one of the inner rings.

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The garden ring is the most capacious I, and probably the most congestive of all of them.

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Sadly. We shall see that. And this is what this d diagram shows.

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What the metro has to serve from the inside out. So the Russian of Moscow I talked about the garden ring being very congested.

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This is a typical picture in Moscow of one of their major roads.

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Absolutely jammed with traffic fortunately they have recognized this problem of basically gridlock in the city the Moscow Metro is one of the great solutions to that.

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But that's been in place in large for some time what they decided to do as part of the solutions of this problem is to actually narrow the roads and to make the whole place a greener, more environmental space and essentially force

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people onto public transport. But you can see how you feel like breathing the air more now that we've got that that development across Moscow of the urban fabric

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And then we come to the Metro itself, and this is the classical metro map. hey?

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Didn't look like this until recently, but they looked around to find a better way of representing and navigating around a complex network, and, as you can see, they've adopted the London underground Harry Beck designed method of illustrating

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the geography of a metro system all the lines are either vertical or horizontal, or at 45 degree as many straight lines as you can get, and gentle curves where necessary.

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So at least we've talked, to the russians or contributed something to the development of their great network

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So what was Stalin trying to achieve when he set off this grand project in the early 1930 S.

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He basically wanted to use this both clearly as a as an effective city transit system, but also with the art and the decor to get the message across Russia's grandeur.

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Its culture, its sophistication with the very engineering of the metro, even though it was much much of it, was designed by engineers in London underground.

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When it came to us at the end of the day it was all about Russia's prowess in engineering and design.

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The art is very much extolling. the happy healthy peoples of the Soviet Union that's Russia and all the Soviet Republics across the world.

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And

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Okay, And basically talking about Mother Russia and the dependence of all of these countries on the great generosity and support and protection of their country on Russia. a few quotes The Russian name for a station is

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voxel. Well, that's a main line station or whether it's an underground station.

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Why, Voxel? Well, it's much argued what the derivation of that to mean is, I could refer to the whole of the people.

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There is a very large body of opinion, including in Russia, that says it comes from Box All Station in South London, where a deputation of engineers and managers and politicians from Russia came to look at our early royal

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system as to get ideas about the design of their oil system.

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And did they interpret all these signs on this station as meaning station?

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Or did they understand? Voxel was just the name of the local.

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Who knows but it makes an interesting topic. And here help for you. If you get on to the Metro and want to get around in the center, at least there will be these 2 panels above the portals of the rail lines deep down

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underground, and It shut me a little while to work out, being rather thick.

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But the left hand side, 17, 4,600, and one clearly means 546.

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In the evening. The 1 18, you might think, is the time. 1 min 18 s to the next.

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Trains will arrive in fact, it's the time since the last train left.

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Why that should be felt to be useful, although generally certainly on the main lines.

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The should be trains at least every 3 min. But so it seems a strange quirk, but they don't actually give you the information user.

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What you want. How long do I have to wait

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These are the names and the dates of the opening of all of the lines on the Metro.

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So you can see. So 3 lines developed in the 19 thirtys and operating, and then a whole succession every 18 years can continue building.

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Not the occasional development of a new line, as in London, with great gaps of 2050 years.

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But no, this is a continual investment program, continual development of the metro.

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I will usually refer to lines by their number you might prefer.

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I use the names, but I think it'll be a lot quicker if we use line numbers rather than the line names which have referred to parts.

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But the locales being served by the role. So what what was the approach?

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Taken finish in terms of style and design of the Metro itself.

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Well, it all stems from the overarching governance of the Metro, and and the style of government.

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So Joe Stalin definitely wanted to make his metro glossy, functional and modern, and by the time he got post war, Then suddenly he wanted to get really over the top lavish what we call Empire Russian Empire

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style. Nikita khrushchev comes along. He's more concerned about effectiveness for the people that the users and he basically wants to develop deliver as many stations and lines as he can without worrying too

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much about exotic day, or and that was the style through the sixties, through to the eighties, and it was only with the death of the Soviet Union that thinks got a little bit more exciting post

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parasitica. anything goes, and by the time we get to 2,000, and beyond we're into the high tech that we see in most metro systems.

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But now De vladimir putin in his mature. Yes, we're seeing a revived focus on design and decor and a little more exotic decor interesting how people.

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Change. So that was the pattern of development and we'll mainly be looking at these early stages when the core of the central Moscow Metro was built

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So we're going to start at the beginning 1,935 line.

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One opens it goes out to the northeast and here's the end of the line, so called Nicky a very plain station that you might see in any of the Soviet republics, or even in the Central Europe

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It's 30 is modernism, but what I want to point out to something in particular.

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Interest is In the entrance archway to the building you may see a freeze at the top of the wall.

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Let's have a closer look at that we've gone inside that entrance hallway, and we see people seemingly working in the freeze in that dark freeze below that that's all fairly kind of

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somber. But although we see 2 torches in very classical style, very exotic style, these are electric lights, but interesting design.

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The freeze, hey? Ready close up and this is the best picture i've seen of workers digging the metro in the 1930 s there wasn't a lot of heavy plants being used a lot of it is spades and

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wheelbarrows and pick axes, working in mud in the dark underground

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Down below now, and when it opened this was the picture.

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This is so called Nicky, the same station we see the the marble, we see, the tiles.

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We see a coffin ceiling it's rather the plane but it's a lot grander than best more green.

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May I use a typical example of a London station of the period

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Oh, around have it on i've done done a lot of investigation, and just walking around to see what's actually decorating these stations.

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And here a couple of stations down the line, we have this beautiful depiction of a young lady who is a construction worker on the Metro.

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She was part of the youth movement called Kansasimol, and

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She was actually selected to be on the platform with Stalin in Red Square, when he announced the opening of the Metro and pointed at her and asked her to speak as one of the workers, how Everybody was contributing.

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To the bill of this fantastic new Metro this is a view you don't want to see looking back because this is the entrance to the metro for the Lubianca.

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The head of the securities in internal security in Russia. Every station it's different on the Moscow Metro, the on the London underground you can find 50 stations built at the turn of the century, which all have the

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same style are they branded as an underground? Essentially we have different architects, different architectural teams on every individual metro station in Moscow.

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So this is a unique station. It was very much Mars by one of those explosions, no doubt, from a Chechen protester at the time.

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But if you come out of here, your view across the road is the famed, feared Lubianca, where you can see the building here, but it's like an iceberg.

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There are many floors below ground and you don't want to go down there

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We're still in the first second year, of the development of the make make sure the opening of the Metro and here's our but skier, which is very close to the Kremlin leading to it and here, the whole station building has been

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designed as a red star. If you get a drone, or a helicopter and look down on this that's building, it is a red star. so they go through a lot of trouble. add some symbolism and characterization of each of those

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stations.

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Yeah, we have a Greek temple in all but name this.

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Okay, then, this is the Doric freeze. behind the columns is a bit simplified and modernized, but everything else, including the the the columns all around the building.

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And you see that those Greek features right on top of the roof.

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This web, borrowing from the classical era to aggrandize the Moscow metro

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We're modernizing as well and adding a bit of style. So here in 1,938 with 3 years in, we're starting to get a bit stylish and here we have a different structure of a station is created

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by boring 2 channels, and then the royal lines that you can't quite see are I in either channel, and the platform is always an island platform in the center, and these domes between the columns it's all very stylish and

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attractive if a little bit bright. So we see a gradual development in style as we go along. and then in 1938 we're We're only 3 years into the metro, and we see what was still to this day

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the exemplar the primary station, the most well-known station, probably the largest in terms of these particular platforms.

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Michael Skier, named after a famous Russian poet and writer.

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And here this is for the largest stations. Now the standard builds.

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We have a central concourse, and I the sun in one channel tube and either side in 2 separate.

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But Doug tubes. We have the 2 railway lines and the 2 platforms.

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Why is this so famous? Well, this is so large and so central, that Stalin used this space for most of his great more speeches, and he would get thousands of people to come down to this concourse.

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And they would have the pleasure of listening to him droning on for 3, 4, 5 h.

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Well, now, what you can't see all of the riches that are available in the design of this station?

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Let's just have a look at one or 2 other angles. So here, if you look up into the ceiling into these stones, you find mosaics in every one of them different unique existence.

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Mosaics, and these were all created by, and Alexander Danika, who was the most famous the most popular of all of the realist social Realist artists, stalling decree that the artist style in the thirties

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and onwards for the rest of his life, they should actually should all work in the Social Realist style.

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And these are very good examples for proclaiming the wonderful social structure of Russia in these days, and this and various other Russian works.

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One great prizes in the 1,938 World Fair in New York, when Russia was very much a part of the of the of the world of nations.

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Here you have to actually cast some reflection on what does social realism mean?

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And, in fact, so I think a more accurate view would be to say, This is all about Imperial factory. As usual.

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The title of a subject of of anything in this days of autocratic supervision.

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Really country. the title is almost always the opposite of what it really means.

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So. so no doubt you wanted to me to show you a lot of the more detail on these mosaics and interpret them.

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Well, I walked all the way down this concourse, photographing straight above me the images within each dome.

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We have here. A select example was: I ended up with a lot of stiff neck.

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By the end of this exercise. So what we see remember, this is not in the main this is 1938.

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We see the power of Russia. We We see the power in the air and it's flying over one of those towers on the walls of the Kremlin.

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Yeah, we see the same power flying over the beauty, Russia, the beauty of the countryside, and the agriculture

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Yeah, we see the beauty, if you will, of the Navy.

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Here is a navy signal signaling to the fleet, and a flying mode circling above

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Hey? we see an airship on the left above the Kremlin.

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Still, when airships were just about usable way after the Hindenburg here.

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But the Russians were still using airships, and on the right power troopers, very much a modern element of modern world, and stalling at the time was very keen on on promoting the the healthy nation of the

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Russian population. So here, to 2 people having dived off the high boards in an open, and assuming for leaping through the air as if they're flying.

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The beauty of the countryside, the fruitfulness of Russia, and in so many of the pictures of workers it's always female workers doing all of the work. Hi.

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Jason in this great corporate spirit, Communist spirit, with the red flag flying

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More athleticism. It seems difficult not to be sarcastic i'll try and restrain myself, but it seems as though everybody's having a great time in this country

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And on the left we see the industry. They were proud of the degree to which, in the Communist area, they take in Russia, forward into being a modern industrial power. On the right hand side we have to add some re-engineering of one

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or 2 of these mosaics in more modern times.

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If this is a satellite coming back to Earth from the great Russian satellite and space program

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Moving on from my across sky, and if you go to Moscow at any stage you must go to my call.

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Sky, just to appreciate the scale and the beauty of of the decor of that station and the history.

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Can you feel Stalin in your bones? but moving on again in 1938 revolutionary Square, one of the main junctions in central Moscow, and down in the depths of the station we see these wonderful statues of

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50 typical Russian soldiers workers students, pioneers which are decorating each of these passageways going through to the platforms either side of the central concourse which we're standing on.

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So here we have the armed forces. we have the army, the navy, the Air Force, in that order.

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These are just less than life, size, sporting prowess.

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So the footballer on the left hand side, and the disk is thrown on the right hand side

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Again an emphasis on the female contribution to Soviet Russia.

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And here we have 3 of the roles of women in Russia, childbearing, looking after the supply of food on the small holding or farm on the right hand side.

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Yes, study research, knowledge, teaching you name it each of those each of those statues.

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Of were cast about 6 times. to make a total of over.

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Oh, about 70 or 90 of actual statues on the on those platforms moving forward, we come into the heart of the Second World War.

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Remembering in 1943, that the Russians sorry the Germans.

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The Nazis have been at the gates of Russia in December 1941, and they are still an absolute threat.

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Yeah. So so, Moscow. But we are continuing. Darling is continuing to invest time, resources, manpower.

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To continue to develop the Moscow Metro, and we have a new, another different kind of architecture.

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Here we have a drum shape to building for the Metro.

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So a train which was followed or was following, a trained in the Uk.

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Where, for instance, South Gate Station, and yeah, they

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The 3 other examples of round stations in London. How are you, La comes to my mind Inside that station in 1943.

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We still have Alexander Danica contributing mosaics to be enduring symbols of the art and culture of Russia.

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So this is as fresh today as it was many moons ago.

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So here Athleticism? Yeah. and and as usual, I, A lady sent a stage on the top of that drum being held up by those athletes.

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Been just massive tractors tracked vehicles to field to harvest.

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The great nourishment of of Russia

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Looks a bit sci-fi here, with what looks like a mono rail, speeding Ouvon a scale, and above a modern airplane shape of things to come

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Well, now, it's like a post war stalin is getting on in years.

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He wants to leave a legacy. He does so in Moscow, both above ground, as you see here and below, ground in the real taking off as a metro.

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So here this is one of the so-called 7 sisters.

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These exotic palatial buildings on a huge scale.

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This is still the main building of the Moscow State University of Monsoon University, and it looks down for high hills down onto the center of Russia.

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There are 6 other buildings with this exotic style, which it around.

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The the city hotels, ministries

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And that they are mark of moscow? so that's what happens happening above ground below ground at last? They decide Okay, only after about so.

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Who's 15 years to build a Circle line to link all of these other lines, and to make it easy to transit across Moscow without having to go through the center of Moscow itself.

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So in 3 phases, 1951,954.

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This stage, this set of immense stations, all constructed to link together the rest of them network 9, 5,

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And here, if we add to the line, the color of the lines which cross the the the radial lines, then you see, we're getting a pretty good coverage by now.

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If you're anywhere within line. 5 then you're gonna be a walking distance to the Metro station, and here you see some of the names a lot of them take their names from mainline rail stations which bitter the this ring within moscow

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so let's take a look at that

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So here's that metro matt we've seen before, and you can see the brown circle linking everything together line 5. and, unlike the circle line in in London, this circle line is effectively a circle

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And here you see the real geography. If you go away from the rather stylized map, the to is peculiar to the London underground and Moscow, and so forth, and see the real geography, the red line here the

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outside ring that is metro line 5, and that since just usually just outside of the Garden Ring Road, and here the great big red rectangles littered around the the metro line 5 ring.

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They are the main line stations. No station, no railway line, was allowed to intrude into Moscow City Center, beyond the garden Ring, which is exactly the same as our circle line.

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So anybody who comes in to moscow would then if that's traveling around to some other part not the center would get on their line 5 station and then use this 9 5 to get where they want to go

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Let's look at those stations. on this circle line, and first, probably the most celebrated, is the building on the left is right next to a very strange aren't, new though style, main line, station which is the endpoint for the trans

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Siberian express. So people from Vladivostok can arrive in Moscow on on the right, and then enter the Metro system on the left, although the reason underground industry change as well.

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So here you see some of the on the left, the monumental style of those metro stations built by Stalin.

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So we have the the columns, the classical facade.

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We have the Og shape over the central concourse of that dome, with the star shape on that then needle spire, very much a trademark of, or a symbol of Russia.

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The needle spire, with the red star on top

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And you go inside that station, and you find this huge dome with all of that delicate plaster works in typical classical Russian style.

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And at the bottom of that picture, on the left and the right, you see the entrances to the escalators, while sescal age is taking down into the depths below.

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This station actually says 3 main line stations. So you can imagine the football through this station in the morning.

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In the evening, and it is built to code with this i'm Here we see one of our first glimpses the great chandeliers which have illuminate much of the stations of these this line when you get down below

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and even bigger than my cost. Skies station. you see the central concourse here that comes some of sky, and with with enormous mosaics on top of the ceiling on the sides.

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And they basically celebrate russia's fight for independence and Russia's struggle against invaders.

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You look even just over the last, just over 200 years, and the invasions of Napoleon and the French forces, and then hit them and the Nazi forces the Russians are very wary of invaders and their

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need to repuls them. Commissonal sky means the stations of the station of the console, and the comes from all is the Russian youth movement.

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All the Stalin youth movement, and it was mainly the workers.

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The work is one mainly from the youth movement. We dug out this station.

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Absolutely.

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Tag on just going on Here you see a variation on the theme.

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This does not serve one of the main line stations therefore it doesn't have to be so capacious.

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But you can see how much investment has gone in to exotic chandeliers or light fittings and exotic decorations.

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Between the peers or on the peers, but between the tunnels, free to the platforms.

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Either side of this concourse heroes being celebrated heroes of armed conflict.

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Hey? I've Scott, I this is very much sitting below the main line station.

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For the rail line to care in the Ukraine. and along the side of this central concourse.

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All of these concourse is a way down deep at the Royal Line Level, not as we would have on the surface level, and you can catch a glimpse of some of the mosaics on both sides of this concord

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those we talk about the peoples all. In this case the Ukraine and the receipt of Russian soldiers freeing them from the Nazi yoke.

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So here you're Ukrainians waiting with the the dove of peace on the body right hand side, welcoming the Russians, who seems to be liberators from Nazi regime

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This is Belarus sky. This is the stage This is below the station, the main line station to go to Bella Russia.

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And so here again we have pictures of Russian soldiers on the right, and people in native costume on the left hand side, flowers being exchanged, gratitude being applied

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Another line. 5 station. Yeah. Another example of copying the classical tropes in the architecture of this next station.

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What just what would this remind you of if you're a student of Roman classical architecture?

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This is the Pantheon, the oldest one of the oldest buildings in the world, still in productive use.

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The Pantheon in Rome, built in the first century Ad.

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And still there here are exactly the same as his this we have a drum of a building at the rear, and we have that portico at the front, and this all looks very fabulous, except I had a good look around because I couldn't

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quite see how they fitted the needs of a Metro station into this structure, and sure enough, I walked around the back of this drum and to fit the sloping escalator tunnel into the back. of this station.

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They happen to add this rather strange excursions onto the back.

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So. Fortunately, most people don't see that would see it as being a much cleaner design.

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Almost looks like an afterthought of any engineer who suddenly realized you'd miss them

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More again on this same station with the Pantheon design.

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When we at the surface level, we have this peace in the whole world.

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Mosaic, and down below, they stole the the great, more cultural glories and activities of Russia.

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So their expertise and music, and how many great composers come from Russia?

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Clearly it's so something for which they are rightly proud on the right hand side.

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Geography, explorers, researchers, a whole range of their activities, and the cultural and scientific field are celebrated in this style.

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And they all of these all these images are backlit in the con course of the station.

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So it's very much thrust in in front of your eyes.

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Here we come to a rather more standard message yeah we're celebrating the revolutions.

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Some people don't realize there was a revolution on the left by the people in 19 o 5 to try to get alleviated from the harsh conditions and the subjugation of the Russian people and the

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Russian that was successful in getting various concessions from the zars on Nicholas at the time concessions which were made verbalized from promoted, but never really implemented so on the right hand, side.

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We have a rather better arms, better organized revolution. 1917, as depicted here on the station, has many, many based relief images of these 2 stages of the revolutionary process.

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A real history lesson, but clearly following the line that Stalin wanted to promote.

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No, exactly. Yeah. and i'm biased supervisor of these images.

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Yeah, you see a picture I found of our back sky another station built at this time, but not online 5 line.

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3. we're, looking beyond the circle line now and this clearly is a glorious like the icing on a cake, a glorious picture.

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All the design of one of the stuff, one of the more typical designs of the underground realm in the Moscow Metro.

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The truth actually is rather difference of that this is this is my picture.

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So it's not usually as quite as well later, as portrayed, which is the lower concourse and you can see all the elements there.

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And then you can see well, what about i'm showing you the platforms at all.

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But this is typical of the design of the platforms.

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How the concourse design is carried through into the adjoining tunnels for the platform, so no penny pinching here.

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We even have chandeliers above the platforms

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This station we were taken by an insurist guide and given a bit of an insight into these blank panels, or this one in particular, where I have a big question mark it's on the top of the

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escalator shaft. it's the upper level concourse bunch.

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Why was there anything there? I think you can imagine what used to be there? A picture of Stalin, Joseph Stalin's images were all over the Metro together with some of Lenin.

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They were removed in the later If this is after He's done clearly in the era of Krishov.

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We're khrushchev eventually denounced I mean. and so you will not find an image of starring on the metro

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More exotic concourses. Here, with marble, with plaster work, with majority everything to decorate a dawn.

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The central stations. Hey up! This is another line going through Kf sky.

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We've already seen one of the sets of platforms so you can understand, perhaps, just how huge this old network and these stations are.

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Just look at one or 2 others as we get near the end of this exposition.

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We won't just celebrate the picture is in wars and revolutions.

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We're a civilized country check off the great playwright is celebrated in the station checkouts, clients check on sky, with scenes on the tiles from his plans

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Yeah, a station right next to the Kremlin we have on the wall, on the brick of the wall.

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The tree of friendship of Soviet nations. So we see representative people in their stylized national dress or national custom of dress, in all of the various republics.

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In the Empire, and you may realize the overall shape of this this tree or the the leaves of it.

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The overall shape is the shape of Russia on the back.

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Even down to Sakolin, an island bottom right a very slim island, vertical.

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On this projection suckling which is there devil's Island.

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It's where they put used to put the worst of their prisoners, especially political prisoners, at the opposite end of Russia, 5 to 6 time zones, or more away from the heart of Russia.

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The west.

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And then let's take a leap forward into this century 2,003.

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They extended the line under Victory Park aren't comedy.

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They are massive park on a hot, very high rise area, within Moscow, celebrating the great victory, especially in what they call the great patriotic war, right in the Second World War.

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And here's the typical victory. arch within Russia you're always in your horses, and a chariot which we all use to adorn our great victory.

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Arches. The The Russians always have a hexagon, ie.

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6 horses pulling the chariots in paris You'll find similar styles which have 4 horses, as we do at High Park Corner on the Constitution Arch as you walk up the hill from the Victory Arch to the

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top. you pause these amazing examples of major statuary and then we come to the station itself. it's 74 meters down.

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So get into the platforms. It takes single escalations.

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It takes you all the way down, but it takes 3 min, 20 s.

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Take a good book to read. if you want to go to Park poverty and leave or rise by by the Metro, and when you get down to the bottom you can see the heroes of that victory in particular the victory over

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Napoleon. The central figure here is General K. Tooth, the hero of the Russian army, who catch it alive.

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You catch it in tact, even in the defeat of all streets, and then ground Napoleon's army to a standstill.

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But Virginia

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Modern times call for modern treatments here. This, the designs of a new stations can be very lean and mean, but still stylish and exotic, and full of marble.

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So here's a typical example still with the same core design. the 3 channels interlinked Yeah, getting more colorful, all very bright.

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They keep the Metro sparkling clean. This 199 station on the Metro.

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We have 270 for stations on our system.

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But you can see most of those stations are and that is where we need to conclude this session as we're running out of time.

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You can see how much this system is expanding Well, We've been slaving a lot, getting a few news stations with cross rail.

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They've opened 76 new stations between 2010, and 2020, including a new circle line.

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Way way way out further than line 5 I trust that it's giving you a flavor all that we can achieve within this time scale.

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But it's some Metro System much to be admired, although many people would say some of the money could have been better spent on the people's in the Soviet Union.

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So with that I conclude, Thank you for your own. Thank you very much, Mike.

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That was all rather fabulous wasn't it let's go straight into some questions.

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Shall we? and Mike? I don't know if you want to take your your your presentation down, and we'll we'll go into some questions Perfect.

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Okay, No, Let's i'm just gonna start from the top out. So we've got a few questions here.

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So question from Diana, and she's asking is it true that a lot of the workers were slave labor from the camps.

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Yes, that is true. At peak times, I think some 60,000 workers were employed on the on the Metro on digging the metro, especially in the thirties, and I talked about the youth movement being deployed for some

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stations. But yes, there was a lot of forced labor there There's a lot of imprisoned like labor political prisoners in particular.

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So stalin deployed and there was a lot of military deployment there until we came to wartime so I don't know the percentages don't know if they those figures are available but

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Yes, everybody who could be deployed was deployed.

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Okay. Excellent hope that answers your question. and Diana and another question from Sue.

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And you kind of touched on this very slightly at the end.

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There are the stations as clean as they appeared in the photos, because they look absolutely pristine, and she also asks if the trains are electric the the trains are certainly electric always have been at the station

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so Well, i've always found that should be tremendously clean although by the end of the rush hour in the evening.

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There may be some some literature around, but they do seem to have a very intensive program for both, cleaning them up and polishing them up.

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So I think it is exemplary compared to most of the major systems.

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I've been on yeah Okay, No another question here from holiday.

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This is quite an interesting one. he's asking where the names of the station, always the same.

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She has a memory of being confused by different names above and below ground.

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Well, it's it's not so much the name changing Sometimes it's gonna be the type in which it is in which of the notices are set, whether it's Syria Russia and original or whether

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it's a Russian translation of the all the English translation of the Russian

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What is for sure is in many stations where lines intersect, even though we would see him as one coherent station, like, for instance, kings cause some pancreas is one tube station, where whereas they would give

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each element, each line, each couple of platforms, a different name.

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So you think you're in this one station, and you go through a chat a passenger channel to a different platform, and it is a different name.

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So they do divide up into different names. these different lines.

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Right, interesting, So you can see that on the the tube map, on the on the metro map, because it gives you the 3 lanes and 3 names in many cases of the central station complexes.

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Interesting. Okay, No question from teresa and we didn't really see any.

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Is there any posted advertising on the metro Because you Don't you see lots of that in London?

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How's a good question I I haven't seen any no,

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The may well be at the surface level. but even so, I I would.

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We think no i I haven't seen it whether I wasn't looking for it, so I don't know, and I will.

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I would emphasize that we do have a number of stations without adverts in London, not Charing Cross, for example.

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No, I'm not aware of advertising within the Metro Hmm.

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Interesting. Okay. No. Another question from risk. Was there a particular reason?

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We saw lots and lots of music. Was there a particular reason that Mozart was used?

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I think the main reason was longevity really it's you know, the Stalin was definitely building for the long term here, even though he must have known his time was limited.

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And he wanted to build everything as as hard and as rigorously as possible.

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It might be of interest that You always see pictures of Khrushchev in the early stages of the development of the Metro because he was the mayor of Moscow one stage in his

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career development, and he was also given responsibilities in terms of the construction of the Metro.

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But so that's completely irrelevant to the question you just asked and Okay, so we've got a couple of other questions.

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Let's just run through the and then we'll see where we get to

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No, what is more of a comment than a question but i'm sure you'll probably have some thoughts on it. none of the stations.

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See to have any places to sit and rest, probably a reason for that.

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Yes, there was one in particular I should have pointed it out where in this very heavy marbles concourse there were some benches either side, but they are stone benches, so they don't give a an awful lot of

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relief. really. no, they I think the theory was if you're running a frequent enough service.

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Why would anybody want to sit down? So in general?

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And they are meant to cater for vast numbers of people going through them.

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So in general there aren't there isn't any way to sit down.

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Certainly within the underground realm. Okay, And another question from piece.

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Now this is talking about maybe some other cities, and he assumes that there are metro systems and other kind of former Soviet cities.

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Do they use a similar decor, or is it Moscow really?

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Quite unique. Yes, there are. I have a wonderful book with which is the the metro systems of of the

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I guess the Eastern block, the East European countries in particular, all of the Soviet countries, including including Kiev, has its own metro system.

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And they are all a very similar design from an engineering point of view.

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But they in general are very meagre in their decor.

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Very functional. i'm trying to think well I think some of the stones.

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I do have amazing Stay cool but in General it's It's nothing like the level of the Moscow Metro.

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Okay, right. I think that's our Scott through all the questions I think thanks very much for that.

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How impressive was that everybody quite remarkable in pictures, and I'm sure even more fabulous in real life.

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And I hope you all enjoyed that little journey around the the Metro.

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And welcome to the story of writing from hieroglyphs to hypertext.

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This is international literature today, and what are the main components of literacy is writing, and with that comes reading.

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So it's a little bit of extra relevance today. But i'm hoping it's gonna be a really really enjoyable story as well.

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The main aim of today's lecture is just to give a very brief overview of some of the major developments in the history of writing, and, of course, like any overview what I choose to look at which they're quite

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subjective it's broadly speaking, what scholars and linguist agree is some of the major developments in in history of of writing and the initial diagram that I've got on

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the screen there just shows that we have a very what I might call literate world there a lot of different writing scripts all over the world.

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So that just provides a little bit of a little bit of context.

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The first thing we're going to do is just define what writing is and so I've got a couple of definitions which I like for particular reasons.

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The first definition comes from the his, the Encyclopedia Britannica, and it says that writing is a form of human communication by means of a set of visible marks that are related by convention to some

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particular strict structural level of language, and I like this because it tells us that writing relates to language at a particular level, by the level of sound, or such as an alphabet at work on the level of syllables or the level

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of words, all of ideas. the other The definition is that writing is a method of representing language in a visual or tech tactile form.

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So this definition shows us that you know writing can be something like braille that doesn't have to be writing on paper.

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It can be something you feel as well, and that would go to come.

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Have a look at i'll discuss where and when writing started, and there's a lot of debate about this amongst historians and the most linguists.

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But it is a very new practice in the history of human development, because humans have been around to this planet for about 300,000 years.

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But writing on, emerged to our knowledge or writing systems, only emerged about 5,000 P. 500 years ago.

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So it only is 6 times would be No, this planet 6 times longer than we have sort of be writing.

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So most of human history was what we might call preliterate.

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An information was transmitted already all through other needs, as it is today as well.

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There are lots of cultures who are primarily oral, and in which the stories of the cultures important information is transmitted without writing. No.

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When it comes to where right he started. there has been 2 main strands of debate.

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At one time it was thought that writing began in Mesopotamia, in that cradle of civilization between the Tigers and Ufoys, about 5,500 years ago, and then through cultural diffusion through contact

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with other people, and through trade writing spread, all over the world and That's a theory called Modogenesis of one source from origin, but good is there.

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It doesn't explain why writing also started around about the same time, or maybe even as we were in China.

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Throughout the fertile present which is the that sort of present from the Nile Valley right it to the Mediterranean. and for in Missouri, America, with the lion civilizations, and that's a theory of

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poly Genesis. So there were lots of different places where started, and it started in response to the emergence of city states.

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So a lot of people began to gather, and we needed some permanent records.

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Permanent way of recording transactions between the people of writing laws down to keep order in that society.

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I mean that's in that city state and we can go right back to Moses and the tablet of stones.

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You know they They He came out from the Mount Sinai with inscribed by the figure of gold with nose on it.

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So it We needed some system by which we could record things and have permanent rules that nobody could debate. and that's why, like he started. There are also different systems of writing or different types of writing system and of course, here, in

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brackets that the the evolution doesn't be replacement so, as we move from one type of writing system, it doesn't actually replace another.

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But lots of different systems can coexist and just run through a few very quickly.

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Here. there's a pictographic writing system and that is where the character, or a Glyf.

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Represents a thing with a picture. and with that comes Idiographs were, for example, in a pitographic system.

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A picture of a tree represents a tree. it means tree.

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But if you want to represent something like rest, you might have a man a picture of a man leaning on a tree, and that represents rests.

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That's the idea of rest. so that becomes idiographic Then there's a logographic system so that's where symbols are glyphs.

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They use. They used to represent a complete word or unit of meaning.

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Then a syllabic system goes down to the sound.

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So they celebrate. System represents a a character, represents a syllable of the language, and in an alphabetic system the character or letter represents a separate sound, and we can simply make the distinction between objects abigail and

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alphabets and abjuds, a type of alphabet in which Arabic, for example, is Nabjad where the characters the consonants are represented, but not so much the vowels, and Abu

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Ghetto are where the goals are represented by diacritic Max, an alphabet.

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So we're both the constants and the bells are represented by full solar characters.

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The final system is a P. journal system, a picture, a writing system is on which symbols, including letters and called phonological system features.

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So, for example, the difference between the sound cut and some good will be that good is voiced, and in a feature system it that would show when a particular sound or particular a feature of that language is voiced, so those are just

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some some terms that might be be used i've got a timeline here just to put provide some context to some of the things that i'm going to be talking about.

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Because we've got to cover a large large expanse of history, and we need to know what was going on around about the time that the things that we're going to focus on were happening.

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So we'll go to Ncat what happened with proto writing when right?

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What happened before writing actually emerged then, we've got to Take a brief look at some clay tokens that are uses counting systems in the Middle East because before writing came it was counting

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Then we move on to Punya, form or jump in a few 1,000 years.

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Here and onto hypothesis. inscriptions so but there's a lot of other things going on around about the through these thousands of years as well.

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So this is proto writing. No, the proto writing is a form of it, so it's not the picture of the deer here.

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But rather what we're looking at when we look at a proto.

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Right is this little side these little characters or symbols that were found alongside the cave pit paintings or cave pictures.

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And these occur during the ice age. and Paleothropologists have cataloged about 32 to 40 separate singles, and they believe that these signs in this world exhibit rectangular block but there's also

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some little dots and things there beneath these signs that symbols had some meaning to the people who put them there.

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They might have been directions to a place, restrictions to a ritual.

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Or there might have been a naming system. but they didn't occur with such regularity that it was a a system in itself, but they did really mean something to the people who wrote them, but we just don't know what

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It's what what is meant and these are some of the geometric signs that have been found on ice age, cave paintings.

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So we've got asterisk circles cross hatches. There's probably the use of the hashtag all those years ago.

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This one here the petty form i've had really really interesting, because that pitiful little little thing that looks like the leaf of the apple there.

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Is something that occurs again in Mesopotamia.

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Cudia form, and it means sort of grain or plants.

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So maybe it meant the same. Then we we don't know it could have done.

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They're really interesting, and show that people are using signs and characters.

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We attach a meeting a long time before right assistance.

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As such we developed. This is the an example of some clay tokens.

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Now these clay tokens were were found. they the data back to about 8,000 Bc.

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And were found widely over Mesopotamia.

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So modern day, rocky man, or that area. This is an example from SU.S.A. in Iran, from about 3,300 Bc.

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And at first people would these little tokens, and would think nothing of them.

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You know people not in a people they even just told them the way they go that it's a nice nicely shaped piece of stone, but the they didn't really know the value of them.

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And then they began to be found in in these clay envelopes, and it became obvious that these tokens were some sort of accounting system.

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And And so through looking at Cuda form which came later the sort of ricy system cuneiform.

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There's a correspondence between peculiar form and some of these counties systems, and so as I say, archaeologists and English have noted that these disks, these little round disks and represent a sheep or goats

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a flock of animals. Because the ancient Mesopotamians Yeah.

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Use the county system in base 10, and in base 60. They could think that the small disks so small costs represented about 10 of these objects, and the larger ones represented about 60, and the the initial cones represented measures

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of rain, and it. These were used as such, but maybe taps, collection accounting system, some sort of bartering system. and you can imagine that the person who was kinding these tokens might have ended up with a big draw full of

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all different types of tokens all rusty about so there'd be there'd have to be some way of keeping the tokens together and saying who those twokens were from, or who they belonged to what they represented

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So they came up with the idea of putting little sets of tokens into these envelopes, these clay envelopes, and the great thing about clay is that you can impress shapes onto the claim when it drives it

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becomes a permanent South America. And so they impressed the tokens onto the clay.

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They put them inside the clay ball, and they had an empty loop which told you exactly what was inside that envelope, and they might have had them after as well to say who it belonged to, or whatever as well, so that became a very

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good system of keeping things together, and and of accounting, and this believe it or not, but developed into cunning form.

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Now puniform comes from the word cunus, which means wedge in Latin, and you can see from the this illustration a lot of these characters.

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These cute. Your phone characters are like wedges, and but it become very abstract from the picture grams.

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So uniform. it's a system of communication written communication which was developed by the Sumerians of Mesopotamia.

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But the Assyrians, the Babylonians. They they use this as well.

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It was developed in about 3,500 to 3,000. Bc.

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Proto cunia form the system that came before cuneiform, and then early uniform was largely pictographic.

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So the that we used would represent what they represented.

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So assigned that, like a sheep or a king or a temple, but later cuniform represented word concepts, using what we call the rebus principle, which we've got to look at in the next slide and and

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therefore Cuniform was able to represent emotions, abstract concepts.

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Some of the other types of linguistic Phenomena, and there's a huge a great epic you might be familiar with it, called the Epic of gilgamesh which was written about about 2,000 Bc.

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And it tells tale of the hero gilgamesh who goes in search of immortality, and I think he's quite disappointed.

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And he was with a need cuneiform, and that is widely believed to be one of the earliest pieces of literature.

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Because written language now now is not only just the a recording system but it's a system whereby we're telling so and so.

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Storm is used to be transmitted orally, and many of the features that we associate with literary text.

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They'll be sort of right alliteration puns often come from the the oral tradition as ways of memorizing text.

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So. we've got now not only a a more abstract system, but a system that we call stories and fiction and history as well.

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Now the repus principle is it's a linguistic term.

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We should first using a symbol such as a picture ground purely for its sound.

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And I think this is explained best. by By illustration.

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We use the Lebis principle an awful lot today in our text messaging.

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So, for example, when we say I can't believe it We're, using the picture of the B not to represent the B, which represent the sound of the word be and the picture of the deer just is represented that sound of the

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word there. And so, for example, in peculiar form, in the hieroglyphic system of ancient Egypt as well, I started to use the Mebis principle to why didn't the meetings of things so

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for example, this type of bird here, which just bit like a duck was called sa, and that's also the word that means sun.

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So what they've done with this hybrid if is to say, Well, in this context, means sun And so we now have a huge leap forward where pictograms are no longer just representing the thing.

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They look like on the thing they represent but they're representing things for the sound, and representing homophones and

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So they, The use of the written script is wide and enormously now.

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In fact.

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Going to next, we can see ancient Egyptian, we think of.

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It has been a largely pictographic having. this has been a larger picture, graphic sort of writing system.

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But it became incredibly complex, became a combination of pictographs and local graphs which are, you know, size that mean refer to words?

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Well, the just the things and syllabic system.

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So the the little markers to refer to a syllable, and you can express everything.

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So this is a an account of the building of a temple which is written in hieroglyphics.

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It's just transcribed on on the left there so when we were now coming into some really sort of complex sophisticated writing systems.

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Go ahead and let know at how we got from highway Glyphs 2.

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Oh, alphabets! and also good. Have a look at a little piece of propaganda from the battle of Kadesh as well.

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But through these centuries we've got all sorts of things happened.

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So alphabetic cuneiform is happening.

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So that the systems are changing optical bone, and she's considered to be one of the earliest Examples of the Chinese characters has been discovered.

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This sort of thing, and so yes, greek alphabet descriptions beginning about some 30 Pc. But we've got a look at these early hours.

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So this is a story behind what is largely considered to be the earliest example of an alphabet.

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So 19 o 5, Hilda P. Tree and her wonderfully named husband Flinders were. There were Egyptologists, and they were searching around the old turquoise maes, and so a bit of Al

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Karine in the in Sinai I should notice this stone.

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It was actually a statue of a sphinx, and it had what she called a an ugly script on it rather than the ancient hieroglyphics of ancient sort of Egypt.

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And the pieces took this back to England. The new is an important thing, but they couldn't quite grasp what it was and a a linguist called Alan Gardiner deciphered is in 1925

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probably took him all those years to decipher it and It was a script that used an alphabet.

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There's a Semitic Script used by the casual workforce.

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The the Kenanite miners who came to Maine the turquoise for the Egyptians, and it's sometimes called called protocol night.

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And what they did is they took hieroglyph, for example, the ox head head of a knocks which might have been called fee in ancient Egyptian and they use this to represent alf the They ox.

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In in the one language, but it wasn't just a representing Alf.

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It was representing the suffer sound of our life.

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So we then start to get the beginning of an alphabet, and I think the first description was something like in honor of ballet which was one of the gods, that the and at least sort of Kaya Nights

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worshiped at that time, so that's where we got the first alphabet alphabets were appearing, you know the the the context as well at that time. But that was one of the sort of great

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historical moments in the development of writing, and it happened through casual workers who might have been barely literate.

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So the Treaty of Kadesh I apply this one.

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This is quite interesting. it's interesting from the functions of writing rather than writing itself.

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So in 1269, Bc. there was a battle There was a battle between like farewell roses and his Egyptians and King at a series, and the Hittites and i'm not quite sure who who won that should

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they? but according to the 2 scripts, one which was written in a Acadian uniform uniform, and the other which was written in Egyptian high with glyphs.

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They both won each one of them one. So the Hittites claimed great victory for their king, and the Egyptians claimed great victory for fairy Ramies.

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They were written in different scripts, different, and they each had a different claim.

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But they both vowed and pledged to piece so it's the earliest piece of treaty, and also one of the earliest pieces of propaganda, and it shows that there are these different scripts, about at the

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time. But certainly yeah, yeah. an interesting, interesting piece of archaeology

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Lots of other things we're happening. the Cliff Inscriptions are Pierre Mesoamerican force.

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You can look with a look very much about these really interesting main hieroglyphs.

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But if you are interested in them that the there is a lot of information in that they're very, very complex.

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Person. In fact, at one time people thought that the Mayans were a group of astronomers and stargazers and very peaceful people.

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But when they began we began to sort of transliterate and transcribe the Hi.

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With this she found out that that was not so, and they were very much like many people were at that time is still.

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Are you capable of laws of bits and all sorts of things?

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The second century Bc. paper was invented in China. that was also invented But papyrus was used in in in Egypt around about the same time and paper that material gives way to a huge it sort of

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revolutionizes how scripts and how writing can be sort of transmitted.

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We can. We can put things out quickly. And a mobile E on paper in China paper was absolutely fantastic for writing these wonderful Chinese characters.

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You know, on ink with brushes even, and it also invented, gave way to a wonderful Chinese invention of printing impact in ancient Egypt.

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The invention of papyrus, or the way way to use the papers made that the made it possible.

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Probably wonderful Book of the Dead, which was a sort of hieroglyphs which are written round tools and on coffin, something called the Coffin Text, and gave instructions to the soul of the daily department barrel or whoever's been

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buried getting him restrictions in how to get to the underworld safely.

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These could now be written on a book with a pirate book, and you could have it alongside him.

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So yeah, So paper very great invention. So writing materials gave way to

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Must literacy in many ways so we're thinking about we'd be thinking about what's happening Mesopotamia.

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What's happening in Egypt. if You've given a nod to China, and to even to Miss America.

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But what was happening in Northern Europe around you know before that that's interesting.

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If it have a look here at rooms, and they started about the second century.

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Ad: Yeah. basic, roughly based on the old wrote on the Roman alphabet, And you can see that when do this composer in the roughly based on that.

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But they have up 33 rooms rather than 26.

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Oh, this is the alphabet because of what you represent.

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Sounds that are not represented by the Roman alphabet.

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So the performance. But the great thing about the rooms is that they not only have a relationship between the sound and the symbol, but there's a relationship between the the symbol and mystical meanings or symbolic meanings.

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So this is an example of for fog, which is the first 5 letters of the Anglo-saxon.

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So we have a few phone calls rud.

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No, I can. so you can so that we have that's how good word for talk.

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But they also have not only they sound for sounds but they also stand, for they have meanings such as wealth boxing at the phone.

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And and and God, and that sort of thing, and one of the interesting things about rooms is that, if you look at the shape of them, They're all sort of very angular, or most of them are very very angular, because they had

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to be cut into wood or on chiseled on to stone, so that the marks are very easy to do with the with the with a sharp instrument onto a hard surface.

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And incidentally one of the rooms I think it was ashamed in ash tree, which also made strength, was found on the hilt of the salt sword of King.

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I think it's King Ravel who was buried at sisters, and who, in the sixth century Ad.

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Or some sometime around there. and ash, meaning meaning strength, was a good thing to have on the sold.

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This shows the correspondence between rooms and the Roman.

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Nothing alphabet. There there's a straight one to one correspond to some.

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We can see if they turn them up. that this correspondence there.

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One of the interesting things is there's a link between the word spell to put the rooms down and it's certain that sort of order to create a certain charm and spelled to put letters on the certain order to

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create a certain word, and I was really and right who also connected to rooms.

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So we sent to Cavals, and are writing to interpret the rooms.

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So a lot about things to do with literacy, or to, you know.

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Go way way back to to was using this to go way back to rooms.

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There was such a stone is often used as a metaphor for learning languages.

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But it's actually a really good piece of transliteration as well.

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So we we learn how different scripts we can decide to different scripts.

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If we know one of the scripts, and then we can see how it matches to another one that says the same thing.

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So the resistor stone was found by one of Napoleon soldiers in the at the end of the eighteenth century, and the message is written in 3 different scripts in Egyptian hieroglyphs

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the Demotic square, which is another ancient Egyptian script and ancient Greek.

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Now the soldiers saw the people knew ancient Greek, they would taught it as the classics in school, and so they could tell that these were much in script, saying the same thing, but in different different sort of languages, using different

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scripts, and so that was a that's how they found out about how to un code or decipher some of the ancient scripts.

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There was also the the Houston inscription, which was recent by King Darius in Persian, but also included some of the old cuneiform and and languages represented by cuneiform so people

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could then decipher peculiar form by looking at the the history script inscription, and working out from old Persian.

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What cuneiform meant. So there was another example of something similar to the Rosetta Stone which was to do with deciphering.

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Cune your phone

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In the fifties. I do some other things as Well, we've got the handle alphabet.

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We're not looking too much oriental alphabets but they extremely interesting.

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And also alphabets. were invented. you know.

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In the the mind civilizations as Well, So we've now got to have a look at movable type of the influence that had one of the things about movable type.

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Is that it was very, very easy to use the Roman alphabet in type Cust, but very, very difficult to use.

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Things like the Arabic ab jobs in in the text.

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So this is one of the reasons why the Renaissance took off in countries that use the Roman.

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The Latin alphabet when printing came along but that's very simplified.

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So in 1,456 you're not good, and printed the Bible, using the printer bidding press, and then pamphlets arrived.

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After that, and this she began to be printed, and the impact of the printing press was phenomenal.

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So books were mass produced, and so what we could afford. Then public libraries open the world libraries.

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Before that one of the great ones was the library in Alexandria.

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The turn of the first millennia tells us a proprietor schools are still there.

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But now public libraries were there, you know. good, good, open up. In most most major cities literacy rates increase, although not evenly quality.

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Gender in class, and got rapidly in some areas. ideas about science, poetry, philosophy, were also disseminated. so the whole sort of European Renaissance started to, you know.

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Take take motion, and people could make their living from writing no way back in Mesopotamia.

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There were schools for scribes, scribble schools.

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So people have been making that living provider for many, many centuries.

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But now a greater number of people, and how to be also a sort of a standardization of the of the written language.

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So, and people had to decide if it if it was going.

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A lot of people go to read and write things.

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They had to decide how to spell things, and which was meant, which, if it was a an interesting story,

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From William Kxton, who was famous for the printing, being in the printing press to Britain, and he was

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So one of his he went to collecting words and finding out how, if it was reused, and which was, should be used in his books to me which things?

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And what if the fellas who was with Capstan on his trip around England collecting words?

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I think he came from Yorkshire. He was a chat by the name of Sheffield, so he might have done.

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And he went to ask for eggies or eggs from a lady in Kent, and the the lady in case said, Well, no idea what what egg is.

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I don't speak French, and this chat is getting really irritated. but someone said, Well, no, he he means Aaron. we haven't So there was a different word for eggs between yorkshire and kent so they

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had to find out the way of, you know, standardizing the language, and therefore, and what it was in writing it.

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It. it became much more standardized, and people would read that, and that was the that was a standard version.

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Obviously did. She just came after that, and all sorts of things.

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Okay, So we're now going to have a look we've we've come a few 1,000 years, but some of the things here the oracle boom in 1,899 was discovered in 1,999 and it's widely believed to

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be the earliest example of Chinese characters being used.

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So they found some scratchings on the I think it was a cowboy that had survived for many, many, many years, and they looked like the earliest descriptions of of Chinese, and this was was discovered by chapcode

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Evans who identified creating linear A and in your B.

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And it was, and India a was the text that the wasn't wasn't has not yet been sort of deciphered because I don't know the language it was spoken and the in the civilizations were

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discovered, and we haven't looked at some of the great regist systems of Sanskrit and and the in this valley this sort of thing.

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But they are fantastic sort of things to look at. and yes, so.

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And and pinions spelling. Now we were thinking about because obviously, we've got to look at the way.

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That there are politics in script and the sort of in chat that was a little bit of a debate.

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Under Chairman Mal, about whether they should adopt modernize the Chinese writing system and adopt the Dr.

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Roman characters. and they decided in the end not to

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They. They had a few, some runs that they decided not to.

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They also had a sort of go at trying to adopt the semic alphabet as well, and deciding the end not to with opinion.

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Spelling we just use Roman of is is now is sort of in in operation.

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Now, and it's become very really useful for Chinese people when using the the Internet as well, or for people who are using Chinese who are not used to Chinese language on Chinese characters in the 19 nineties.

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A worldwide web was introduced and this revolutionized information retrieval. and I think it's important to think about the the the the Internet as being a huge huge repository for getting lots and lots of information and disseminating

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lots of some information. So we'll just have a quick look at that.

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A brief history of the Internet which showed that you know, way back in the depths of the cold.

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While we were sort of thinking about global communication So 90 50 cm satellite since let's put need them out out there.

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The first Internet service provider was born in 1974, which surprised me a little bit.

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But if you get up to 1,989, Tim burnlessly invents the worldwide web, and this is a first called an Information Super Highway.

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So it was a really great way of getting information. across best areas, really, really quickly, and by 2022 there's been a huge role out of by a broadband.

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Just take a look at the impact of this. Oh, 1,982!

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The American is born, the Smiley and i'm good how to look at that as well.

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Hi hypertext So this talk is called from hieroglyphs to Hypertext.

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So we've reached hypertext Now, hypertext is a text that links to other information.

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So you click on the link and you can jump quickly to another document, or on the website, or usually one that's related.

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It goes way back to the 1960 s and there's a program, I think, called the the Mother of old Communication.

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I think it's on it's still on the on on Youtube which sort of goes through hypertext And even though and software programs that they could use in encyclopedias, and they've used and definitions as

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Well, most people will have Http there to get hypotheses.

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So this is another sort of revolutionary way of retrieving Richard Information

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Under the multi mobile phones, with also with sort of technology, increasing mobile phones.

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Have been really instrumental in making the written text.

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No just mobile, but sort of instant and mobile.

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So in 1994 text messaging was introduced the first mobile phone.

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So that came back in early Seventys. But take messaging.

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Must introduce by 2,003. So in less than 10 years, the number of text messages that were sent in the Uk.

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Pass 20 billion. So so really ready to call. And up until the early 2,000 people were restricted to a bit by short messaging systems.

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Sms. and and so it was emitting the early eighties but it became pop, and it's published in 2,000 and Sms.

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Really I can remember this quite, quite so. quite sort of clearly.

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You. you were restricted in the number of characters you could use, so you could use 167 big characters in the message.

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And so people began to develop ways of making language, making vision language which more condensed.

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So this there would some terms, such as dissem bowling.

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We take the out vowels out of the message, so your text speak, which shortens the cavity.

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She needs to make out to get the bells or using numbers for sound. So M.

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8 is made today plans for that sort of thing I think that's also called lead, and what's called neat language, and it was more often so.

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I see it. I can't. remember place now and then telegraphic language, where all the redundant words taken out, and all the not. We don't know but the their function works and you just left with the content words there like many

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portraits. So we started to do things with with with language, and make it more condensed.

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Because we were restricted in the number of characters that we could use.

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Danny Mojis came up. because people you you when you send a written message It's very easily misinterpreted.

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We need to say No, we didn't really we met that as a Joe call you know that was meant to you know.

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Be sentimental. So we just come from is interesting Japanese, which is a language which is largely pit, graphic in its characters.

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So Emoji is a Japanese loan, word, meaning picture and image.

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We sometimes use a port material word a similar, which which of a multi-conscious in motion and Icon put together.

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They first began. A first came out in about 2,011, but by 2,024% of the online population were using emojis in their written and text messages, and in 2,015 they most popular.

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Emoji! was this no laughing so much?

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I cried emoji and hi it's a yeah it's still very popular, emoji.

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But i've worked with people who find it hard to they send this as meeting.

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I'm sad or that was a self message so They you know if you can't meet the emergent property can be a bit confusing.

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But we've also, and and this is where we can pull circle from the from sort of the picture graphs, and that we use when we started to make signs of cave walls and then hired lifts and that sort of

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thing right it's the modern day so some emojis are picked to ground.

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So symbols that represent objects on a picture and a picture of reference they basis.

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So picture refers to the thing. and there's an idiotograms.

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So the face with with the tears of joy represents an emotion

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And it's used to express the idea that you're sort of uncontrollably happy.

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But it's symbols can be both so this cup kind of coffee or tea, or whatever you can read a cup of beverage.

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Let's go out for a cup, of tea Oh, it can represent the idea of taking a break so just as a man messing on a tree can can represent, you know, is a mountain within the tree.

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Or it can represent a rest, an idiogram. So come back to cup of tea there.

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So we come full circle in many ways from our pictographs to the way we use language on on the Internet.

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We can also emerges, can also be writing systems in, and I know that people have, transliterated many.

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Shakespeare texts into maybe for fun into emojis, and it's quite interesting to see how these come out and become quite a you know.

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Some of the tragedies we could quite comical when you do this, so you can make sudden mushrooms by merging, emerges into each other, all putting different images in in strings as well.

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And Professor believe Evans in the article we got the bathroom ugly.

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Why motives are taken up. World says it, but as aual language, Emoji has already very eclipse hieroglyphics.

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Its ancient Egyptian precursor so she's showing the link there between what we're doing today, and what the Egyptians and others were doing thousands of thousands of years ago.

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And this is Davis Well, says let's Send 2% of Uk systemization between 18 to 25.

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Find it easier to communicate in motions using emerges rather than texts.

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And as a teacher, and I have found that getting people to its, you know, young people to express their emotions using what can be difficult, but whether that's the thing due to use in this period or all.

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To do with the fact that we use it I Don't know.

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Leave it to ponder, so I would just sort of conclude here.

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And leaving a little bit of time for some discussion. So right here systems they may change.

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But the systems are actually big. They are modalities of writing.

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They coexist. For example, picture grams, local grounds.

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Alphabets often exist together and what's more writing systems might be intricately connected to communities. culture.

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Religion language and identity. So you know, like Chinese characters, you know, being Chinese, might be, you know, you intricately connected with using Chinese characters, or and that might be that using thing that like Pinjin might be the opinion might

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be a challenging to that identity. Writing has since earliest development in the in the city states of bold Mesopotamia and Mesoamerica, and China has allowed us to have permanent or long lasting

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records of ideas, of art and history and general life of communities over millennia.

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So a whole idea of of history is really informed through writing systems.

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Otherwise we'd be looking at paintings and artifacts and not knowing what they were like.

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We do with the the cave paintings at a cooling. to neuroscientists our reading brain circuitry is plastic.

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I will adapt to the characteristics we read written words of papers simple.

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Let's see, therefore, having many different modes, of forms, of bit materials for having ideograms, idiograms, and logograms, pictograms, alphabets, etc.

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Allows us to maximize our cognitive potential, So we can, you know, Read something on the screen and that's great

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We can read something on a book that's great but we're using different types about different neuro centers in that way. And that's from the Bbc navigating modern life series.

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What does reading on screen due to your brain? Okay, the I was. Have you?

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Have any any questions at the moment we do we do, Janet. I don't know if you want to stop shaving.

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Stop sharing absolutely stop sharing and we'll go into some questions. Now we've got some here.

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Let me just find the best place to start no one seconds so i've got a few comments I can't guarantee that I can also left now, because there's so much mystery. we'll give it a goal right we had a question from pat and

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i'm trying to find it Oh, it's very strange it was basically around If earlier humans had rating you're talking about, you know, writing having really kind of kicked off from about 5 and a half 1,000 years ago.

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If earlier humans had rating, I guess we would only know.

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If example, survived with I would absolutely agree with this and so we don't know if they wrote on his about, for example, or even tattooed on their skin, and they had a writing, system, but they used materials that were

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perishable Then obviously we wouldn't we wouldn't know and that's one of the mysteries so it's possible they did have a rating system that had a language they could have a rating system always possible

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but they didn't and that this is something developed as the theories go developed with the debate with the rise of city States.

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But yes, it is it's something we we we is prehistoric.

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So it's before the story of each but yeah It's A very interesting question.

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Thank you. Okay, Now we've got a question from 1 s a question from Sue talking about ancient scripts? are they red right to left or left to right? what's the difference this is a really really interesting?

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Question. It came up in a in a tutorial.

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I was given yesterday, and you know so obviously with and then from left to right and summation Greek scripts they left went from, I think, left to right and then right to left, and that and to me that seems like a wonderful practical way

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of doing things. Some do columns and it's been suggested that, for example, Chinese columns are because you had a strict the So paper I put them down here strips like that?

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So why we? Why, some coaches read from left to right, and others from right to left.

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Another thing, columns and others, maybe even from down to up, is really to do with the conventions that love that culture. Sometimes it's got a practical base, such as stricts.

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We put down together. others other times it's just the way things have started to be got done, and have continued to be done.

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But if anybody has any more ideas, if anybody knows a bit more about that than me, it bad be really, really interested to to, you know.

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Talk about. Okay? Great. Thank you. no, we have a question for Philip.

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No, he's asking no forgive me a fact to know system. and correctly talking about You talked about North European rating systems, you know.

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Happening in in mesopotamia and and all of these kinds of places he's asking, Where does all come fit into the North European writing system.

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This is somebody else mentioned this as well it's an island isn't it I mean in some of the Celtic countries, and it's it's amazing to do with a sort of the cracks certainly

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on on rocks and things in the writings on on there and it's.

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It is a really ancient system that is not is very and not looked at at all.

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In fact, we don't know much about the ancient celtic writing systems, all the systems that came before them as well.

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But yes, it does. It would pit in as a separate sort of system, and I'm not sure how old it is whether it predates Rooms probably does what it probably does.

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But incidentally the Irish were writing long before the English as well.

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So it's a th this interesting interesting sort of question there but yes, yes, it's it. my asset that would be. I don't know I know a little, bit but I don't know a lot about that.

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One right. what we got now now, we've got a question from June.

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No, she's saying the thorn character no I think that was in ruins wasn't It it was during character, seems to have disappeared from a from Arab alphabet about the time that printing started where

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the 2 connected a lot of things happened when printing started.

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For example, let us start it to appear like that that got her in it appeared, and forgotten ghost, you know, and perhaps it represented how the word was pronounced like sort of sound.

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There. or perhaps it was Flemish printers. that put an extra letter in because they were paid per letter.

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We we don't really know the phone thing There is a link, I think, between when we say ye old the old starring that that yeah was really some sort of deviation of phone.

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It was really the sound but yes, I would say that it had.

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It would be, it would be difficult to represent on on the because it part.

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It wasn't. really part of the room in alphabet and that's the alpha that's used in in sort of printing.

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Yeah, interesting, though. Yeah, Okay, we've got another question and from Helen.

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Now this is quite a long question. So bear with me.

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Given the all elements of Lexus within any language evolve.

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How does this reflect your view that grammatical correctness is, unless there is a confusion about the meaning, a meaningless concept?

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We might thrown on John and me went to the park.

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But is that disapproval? Not absurd here. we come to prescriptive this a a descriptive approach just to language. And the natural first, you know, you guess it's a Germanic language basically basically means it's got a lot of influences from roma

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languages, but, you see, and so, if I was saying that I put my coat on.

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That's absolutely correct. But some prescriptivists might say no.

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You if you have any with preposition. I put on my coat that's how you should say it.

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But it doesn't come naturally so yes, yet grammatically.

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Correct correctness. there is a prescriptive sort of approach to grammar.

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It came with standardization. People were saying, No, this is the correct way to do it.

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The way you say things in your your your dialect or your grammar is not the right way, or not the way that we're going to standardize.

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So. Yes, there's a whole whole whole bunch of social linguistics devoted to grammar and ideas about what he's right?

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What is wrong with stigma and all this sort of thing?

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I'll hope that on a partly on to share your question, Helen.

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No, we've got a question here. no it is interesting how we kind of you know.

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That full circle that you've talked about What a constant Emojis!

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Now we've got a question here from christine and we've had some comments from other people as to what they think of it. this.

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But what do you think? do you think in more? Gs are a bit of a regressive step?

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My own opinion is, no, I left them. I absolutely love them.

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Many in a ambiguous sentence one that could could maybe be misunderstood, because I haven't you know.

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It seems a bit curt when you read it but I haven't meant it.

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The way has been diffused by a Smiley, but I also think that we can, as as I said, sort of implied in the at the end of the lecture, that we can.

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We we do need to use words as well. We do need to be able to express our feelings without drawing a smiley face.

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And i've worked with people with with autism, and who find it difficult sometimes to both express them emotions.

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I'm talking very general terms here. everyone's different and also maybe to misinterpret facial expressions, and that's emotion with the Ts coming down.

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But one person, you know. He had a message saying, you know, his friend said, Oh, my cats just died.

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And so he said that say no i'm i'm really really unhappy and crying.

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But it was like lucky. so much i'm you know crying. And so, yeah, they can be misunderstood, just like language can be misunderstood.

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I love emojis, but i'm aware that be dependent on one mode or one system.

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Too too much can be about thing, and another strong feelings about him, which is this sort of thing in the articles and text language to build that sort of thing.

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I see It's been medically creative the Sippy with that so tired of it which people get back to writing normally. Okay, right? we've got practical question here.

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I'm Caroline how does a computer keyboard deal with languages that use pictograms for example Chinese.

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I wish that I had the more time to discuss that, because that was something that has done for one of my other courses, and it was a huge barrier.

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That you know the the Internet was invented by people who met in in America, and when i'm great by people who use the Roman alphabet and English is a dominant very very dominant on the

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Internet And So there are things like I think it's called our faculty, which is a an arabic script that's got users Roman alphabet for the Arabic words and pione is

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a a Chinese outfit which uses Romanova for Chinese words.

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But there are software programs now that are really, really good at.

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So you could have a keyboard in Chinese, and it could.

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You could type it. you could either in Chinese or it could go in the Roman alphabet using Indian.

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So it's not nowadays we it's transliteration is quite it?

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It can be done, but it is. It is quite a dominance of The Roman script and English language on the Internet.

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Well, thank you for that. I think that is I think we've got through all the questions.

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That was absolutely fascinating and certainly a subject that I didn't know an awful lot about I have to say, and that whole full circle thing fascinates me.

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So. Thank you very much for that, Janet.

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I hope everybody out there enjoyed that.

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Thanks and yeah it's awfully lovely to see so many people here today.

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The story of the unknown warrior. Well, I guess a lot of you will have seen the tomb of the unknown warrior in Westminster Abbey.

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It said to be the most frequently visited War Grave.

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Now I can't prove i'll disprove that but that is often the quote that's given and the story of the unknown warrior, and how an unknown warrior from the first world war came to be buried in

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Westminster Abbey. amongst the famous, the Great and the Good, is a very interesting story, and it begins in a garden in a volunteers in France, in 1,916.

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But perhaps more of that. a little bit lifetime I will be showing slides, and because i'll be doing a lot of talking as well, i'll try and remember to tell you when i'm about to change slides, because just

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so you don't think i've got stuck on one particular slide.

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So I'm going to share my screen now with everyone hopefully

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And I hope I hope that everyone is going to be able to see this right Second, try

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Okay, So that's the title of our talk every mother's son. The story of the unknown warrior Well, the expression every month the sound comes from one of the newspapers off the time 1920 being the time when the body

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of the unknown warrior was actually rebied, having been consumed in France, was re buried in Westminster Abbey, and this was

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From a story in the Daily Express. Lots of newspapers obviously took up the story and in the dilemma.

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First it was mentioned that this burial was symbolic of F.

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For every mother who had lost a son fighting in the military during the First World War.

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Of course we know it's more much more than just somebody's son.

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We we know that it wasn't only sons that were killed in the First World War.

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It was father, it was husbands, it was brothers, it was sweethearts.

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And but of course, every month of some was just a phrase that called Tom at the time.

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So. I'm now going to change my side the guy I hope

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Right. picture of the First World War. If we are asked what we know about the First World War, I guess this sly in encapsulates some of the conditions.

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The men fault in impossible virtually impossible conditions. you can see they're practically up to their knees in mud, and this picture was taken on the Western front.

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It was taken in France, and I shall see it's a group of soldiers bringing back a wounded comrade, probably initially to a military dressing station.

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So some fact. Some figures often bandage around about the First World War, 6 point, 5 million British servicemen in the First World War, 2.5 million servicemen full on the Allies side from the British dominions.

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abroad. The average age of a soldier was 24, and the chances of that soldier being killed during the conflict was one in 10.

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It was avoa very much more sophisticated as far as armaments on weapons than any war that had happened before. And of course it was on a worldwide scale.

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So Yeah, this is a sad story, but I think it's also an inspiring story.

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In so many ways, because the story of the barrier of the unknown warrior was a victory for public opinion, and the white of public opinion.

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I'm people power, if you like so yeah it said but that's that's also positive sides to it as well.

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But first, before we go to that garden in arm and tears in France come back with me to 19 twenties.

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Britain. 1920 is Britain resonated with grief.

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A morning. it's estimated that there was hardly a family throughout the length and breadth of Britain that was untouched by bereavement of a servicemen in the first world.

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War, and i've already mentioned sons husbands fathers sweethearts.

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Other relatives people have experienced regular instances of hearing of someone's death, even if it was your next door, neighbor son, rather than your son.

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Death was closer than it had been in any previous war.

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How First World War. So 1,920 Oh, for a 1 million.

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So now we're dead service personnel were dead i'm going to change my slide.

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Now, could I just interrupt for that quick seconds, Margaret: Yeah.

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For some reason we're seeing your toolbar across the top of the screen.

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I'm not quite sure why

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Hmm. Hmm! You just check that you're certain fill screen Yeah, it should pay.

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Need should be. I don't know why that is showing

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Of the sides actually appearing. Okay, yes, they all but I this toolbar.

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I don't know why it's doing it I can't seem to get rid of it.

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So post World war one over 1 million service people service month are dead.

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500,000 Service personnel have no known brave 8 it's death, as I mentioned, on an unknown scale.

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A most dead buried close to where they fell. Very early in the war the British Government made the decision that no bodies would be routinely repatriated, so so they would be buried where they felt and that was the decision so they

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were either buried very close to the battlefield or in the nearest war cemetery.

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Also 225,000 people had died in the early years of the post war, and that was due to an outbreak of a pandemic.

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In this case Spanish flow that had killed 225,000 people in Great Britain alone, and links there with our own times, with the Covid pandemic.

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Of course, I think how just to bear was father's husband sons, brothers, and sweethearts.

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Oh, had no known Brave! they have just disappeared. The nature of this war with the power of the armaments, the power of the weapons that were available meant that often bodies just simply disappeared, or where bodies were discovered by what they could

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not be identified, they were unable to identify them.

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So the wall was quite horrifying, and it sheer intensity, and obviously I don't need to dwell on that.

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And Obviously, if no 9 was given to a body, then that body had to be buried anonymously, killing a soft cell on an industrial scale, it would take an army chat claim serving on the Western front by name the

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Reverend David Rilton, and on this side, hopefully, you can see him on the right hand side.

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On the left hand side is a very high ranking officer.

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During the First World War Brigadier General Louis John Wyatt, and he was G.

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Oc. in France and Florida Gioc.

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General officer commanding. So he was top military brass, really.

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Yeah, and Davey Rile 10 it was who came up with the idea of a focal point for those back home in Britain who had been bereaved, and not only a focal point for those who had been

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breathed but a focal point for the grief and the morning of the whole British nation.

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Let me tell you a little bit about rilton I won't go into a long biography of him because we haven't got time.

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He was the son of a Salvation Army commissioner only in 1884 in 1911 he became Chaplin to the British forces.

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He served as a coachman in lots of places in England.

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He served in folks then in Margate, in Westminster.

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Oh! so in Yorkshire he eventually settled in Scotland, in in Venezuela and In 1911 he becomes Chaplin to the army, and

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He would be to play involved on the Western Front. He was actually out there with the troops.

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He was conducting services. he was burying, taking barrier services and

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He did this throughout most of the First World War. Unfortunately he died in 2, 95 in a full, an accidental fall from a trying for William railway station.

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He left behind him a widow, one son, and 4 daughters; and if you move in the world of music, you will be know that one of his daughters was Ruth Rilton founded the national youth, Orchestra.

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So what happened in this garden in Armand tears France in 1916.

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Well, there is an official account, the National Army Music, and the account was written with obviously first time testimony from Rilton himself, and it tells how, in August, of 1,916, Ralton was on the western front in

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connection with his normal military duties, and he was on his way back to a billet.

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He just participated in the burial of one of the soldiers, who had fallen in a race and battle and arm and tears.

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In this garden he's walking along and he passes a front garden of an un normal, everyday house, belonging presumably to a French family.

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And he sees in the front garden a very roughly made wooden cross, just tied together, as often happened in in the First World War, with a piece of string or binder something of that ilk to make a cross

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so 2 long narrow pacy support, bound together to make a wooden cross, and it marks a brave, and it's in the front garden of this house and scrolled in rough pencil on the wooden cross is an unknown

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British soldier of the Black Watch. So we have an unidentified, anonymous British soldier, like so many of them in the First World War, and we know that he was identified as being from the Black Watch regiment Scottish

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regimen. The soldier, had been buried in someone's frontal So Ralton stops from a moment.

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And he it really does set him thinking. Hey realizes that this drive of this soldier of the Black Watch symbolizes all the other unknowns who are buried all over France.

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But although the idea type shannon while 10 doesn't tell anybody, he tapes it very quiet, and like on people, would say, Well, that was his first mistake.

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He should have told somebody. he's idea the top shape was that one of these unknown soldiers should perhaps be selected to be consumed from amongst the many of our other.

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No, they mostly buried men. i'm return to England to be buried with you.

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Ceremony and Westminster, abbe amongst the Bright, the and the famous a humble soldier in a setting like what's the now?

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It's almost at the same time as this idea opposed to Ralton. The it's set to have a code to afraid to a Frenchman, a Frenchman called Fraswell Simon, and he was the President back in France of a

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remembrance society and This plan was completely different in that it was publicized throughout the length, the breadth of France.

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So frustrated. Simone was. Simon was not a tall, frightened of publicity.

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Royalton kept the idea to himself, and this would light fuel.

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A very first debate who thought of the idea first. Was it a Frenchman?

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Was it Rile? 10 I can't give you the answer to that fried right?

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I'm going to change slides again

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This is Ralton's own words this is him describing what was going through his mind.

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How that grave calls me to think what's hey? were they and he's talking about the soldiers family.

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He spoke back home. Was he just a lucky? Well, we all know how young some of these soldiers were.

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We all know that some of them joined up below the age they should have joined up anyway.

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18 was the age. Now, if you've done any family history and i'm guessing a lot of you have like me.

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You're probably identified people in your family that served in the First World War.

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Was I 18 and over, or was they younger? I know in my case my great uncle was 17.

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That was no answer to these questions, he went on, nor have there ever been yet.

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So I felt and thought i'm wrestled in thought what can I do to ease the pain?

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A father, mother, brother, sister, sweetheart, wife, and friend.

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Quietly, and gradually they came out of the mist of full answer, clear and strong.

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Let this body, this symbol of him, be courage reverently over the sea to his native land.

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And I was happy for about 5 min. Well, I tell the thing I need to.

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I have sad that last sentences in the midst of this carnage, this total worldfare, this horror of explosions, a mad and filth and dead bodies.

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He was happy for 5 min, so brouton's idea is beginning to take me.

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We come now to the end of the war, and the dialing express newspaper gets to hear of this idea.

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How how did I hear of it? was it was it for Rilton?

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I don't know I can't give you an answer to that.

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But the public seized on this idea of a newspapers.

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Take it up. I like. a little campaign begins, and public opinion is overwhelmingly for it.

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Out comrades associations overwhelmingly for it.

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The top brass of the military. well. Most of them were for it, and the top brass of the military.

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During the First World War. Well, we all know their filings.

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But apparently they were very much keen on the idea, and and very key that it should go ahead as was Lloyd George, David Lloyd George, the Prime Minister, hey?

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We're told embraced the idea so what's that I need one who, Dick think it was a good idea?

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The answer is, Yes, Memphis of the Government. There were certain members of the government, not all of them by any means certain members of the government, for this was a bad idea.

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King chose the fifth, so it was a bad idea, and he has had a very bad price from some biographers before, because of it.

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But like to be fair to George the fifth we know from the letters that he wrote at the time.

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He's failing was that 1919 1920 The first waves of terrible brief were beginning to abide.

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The parade was beginning. they they would obviously never get over the agreements.

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But it was beginning to subside, and George the Fifth likened it to ripping.

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A plaster of a half healed wound he said no It's not a good idea, however, to give Joseph that his cricket he will change his mind, and he will throw his white when behind the campaign When he saw that the

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public were very much in favor. home in England back in folks done working as a clergyman, Wilson, that if you'd rather write the letter to Herbert Riley, who was the Dean of Westminster

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Abbey, and this is Hey, Herbert Riley!

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Now Wilson outlines his idea. He tells Royal the circumstances in which the idea came to him, and he believes that this can only be a positive thing if an ordinary soldier is brought back from France, and Re buried in

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Westminster Abbey, with Jude Pump and 2 ceremony to acknowledge the enormous step.

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The the British nation owes to their military. did rile steel appropriate hijack?

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Whatever is expression we like to use. ralton's suggestion well, there are people out there who say Yes, he did.

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There are people who say no, he didn't Most people described Rilton as a changeful, kindly honorable man, and they say, Oh, no, Ralton would

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Roy would never have done that. However, it's interesting that a clergyman by name reference, say Chi Griffiths was moved to right to the Government rather scathingly about how Ralton had been

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sidelined, and the only thing he says that honored Rilton for coming up with the idea in the first place, was a ticket to go to Westminster Abbey on the day of the re burial i'll have

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to say that The Ross, scathing let up, was sent back to Ck.

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Griffiths from Lord Woodbrum really glossing over his concerns.

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And poeing it basically i'm just changing of just changed my side.

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So here we are, George the Fifth. Now, when it became clear that the majority were overwhelmingly in support of the idea, the Government sets up a committee to oversee the planning off the rearial ceremony back

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in England, and the decision gets approval from the highest level.

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And I put a pro on here from King Joe. Jim set himself from his November 1919 message to all my people.

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I might add up this point. 1919 was the year the Senate off was unviled.

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Initially attempts to talk was built for a victory parade through London. In 1919.

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It was built by Edwin Lutherans, or he was the architect, and it was built from canvas, wood, and plaster.

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However, almost as soon as it was unveiled. On the eighteenth of July, 1919 huge public timer for a permanent send his child. So a permanent Santa staff is planned. Edward Lutherans was the

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architect an architect much admired by the government, much admired by King George the Fifth, and a permanent senate off in Portland.

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Stone was erected in White Hole, and that, of course, is the monument monument we see today.

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Santa Fe of post translates from the great to empty tone. At the eleventh hour in the on the eleventh day, in the eleventh month, there should be 2 min suspension.

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Of all activities, all work sound and low. commotion should cease.

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So the king is determined, it will be the the sacrifice of these men will be commemorated, and indeed, ever since.

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Of course it has been commemorated on the eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month, and also celebrated on the Sunday closest to that day with

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The ceremony, attended by the royal family, that we all know at the Senate half, and this gentleman, Frank Owens, so Spray would be the painter who would be tasked with not only painting the

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unveiling of the Senate staff but also the permanent center staff, which was used to be unviled on the eleventh of November the nineteenth, 20 on the same day as the unknown Warrior was due

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to be re buried in Westminster Abbey, but he also, as well as capturing the opening up the sun itself.

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He also captured the what happened in Westminster Abbey at the rebuild and interesting quote there in the 1,900 fortys.

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He was described as looking like a holy street doubt specialist i'm going to say at this point, surrounding the story of the unknown warrior is much guesswork, much mystery, many many conspiracy.

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Theories. i'm very few to fitz Oh, an official account was written in 90 39, and that was issued by the costume.

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And We're done with the help of brigadier General Wyatt, who actually selected they body that was re buried in Westminster Abbey.

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People still don't really believe the official account there are still conspiracy conspiracy.

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Theories talked off, and people mentioned that somewhere this government paperwork about out the barroom Do we know?

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Hello! The unknown Gloria was well. sounds like a complete contradiction in terms, but many people are convinced that someone know exactly who this person was.

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I don't think we go but there is a theory that there are various pipe work somewhere, but the public have never seen.

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There's a file of secrecy over so much connected with this story and a I i'll just outline a few of the things that people question he's the identity i've mentioned was he a regular soldier an

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old contemptible as they were known I a soldier who was already in the army at the outbreak of the First World War, and the first wife is to go over when we're always declared on the fourth of

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August 19 full team contemptible from

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A withering statement made by case of Wilhelm the second of Germany, who referred to Britain's contemptible little army; and if post the army, having a sense of humor, let me know themselves, the old

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contemptible. Oh, what's the Bulky a construct now? could you come in in January 1916, because they just want enough men coming forward to enlist in the army, and a numbers will falling so men between 18

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and 40. The age was later raised to 51 years men, 18 to 40 initially, were liable to be called up into the military.

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In initially single men. Only later that was altered the age is increased to 51, and it's also broadened to include married Mento.

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They were exception, of course, for certain occupations what's the body that of a dominion or was he a British soldier?

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What's the idea of the vaccination of rebuilding?

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Oh, we'll see from Swiss symbol or teach trial hub at Royal the deal of Westminster appropriate the idea for himself.

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How many bodies were exhumed, so that a choice could be made?

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Was it free? Was it 5? Was it 6? with it more?

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The official reversion, says 4, and those 4 were selected from the 4 main battlefields in France.

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On the Western front, namely, Iin Ras and the song.

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So they they are. There are mysteries I can't give you answers to any of them.

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All you can do is read as much. as you can on the subject and make your own mind up which you know I I have done, and that's my viewpoint.

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I'm. sure there are people out there with completely different ones.

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It was a great at the beginning by wire Brick Itier.

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General White, who was in charge of the exhumation. in France the the whole thing should be conducted with as much secrecy as possible.

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He felt this was the only way to add validity to the whole thing, and that the body should be randomly selected for the honor of rebuild.

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What then happened to the bodies that were not selected?

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Well, yeah, it's another mystery were they re-buried close spire along a road called the Backpom Road.

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Back Home Road was where burial parties were currently working.

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Host World War, First World War in 1920. They were still recovering bodies along that road.

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So were the bodies simply rebuild, to wait for discovery by the burial parties?

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Or were the bodies taken to the nearest cemetery?

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Well, I give you for what it's worth the opinion of most historians today is I the idea for the we Barry left down the warrior.

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What royal tons nobody else's and that his He thought of the idea first, and secondly, that the bodies of those not selective were rearrange, not in a cemetery, but along the backong road to a

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white. The burial party's discovery so the official 1939 version says there were 4 bodies of unknown allied soldiers, and they were exhausted from the far main battle areas that I've mentioned in aras on the

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phone. I will take him to who are us to in the north of France.

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So a chapel and an armed guard was put on the chapel outside.

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The soldiers who brought the bodies on gun carriages were dismissed back to their regiments at midnight.

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Brick it here. Channel. What enters the chapel with another officer?

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Just the 2 of them, and it's wire who chooses which body will be transported from the chapel to England for reading.

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No other record of this actually exists and they other mystery is when with the body's assumed.

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Now the official version says they were exhumed on the night of the ninth tenth of November, because ceremony was to take place in in England on the eleventh of November.

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There are people who say the bodies were assumed before the ninth and the tenth of November.

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I have no way of knowing. I have no proof, and I know of no documents that give proof.

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The stress is on mentioned by wire was on app most secrecy to validate.

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They? Oh, the whole event! he he felt this was the only way forward.

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Overnight. the body rested in the chapel, and in the early hours of the next day of the tenth of November the body is priced on a damage with a military escort and that military escal then took

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it to belong, and at balloon it was carried onto Hms.

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Verdon, named after one of the huge battles of the First World War.

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Of course, and transport you to England. i'm going to change slides, and this is a picture of the coffin of the unknown warrior.

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With I've said on the caption of of this side with an honor guard of allied soldiers.

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There are French soldiers there. you'll recognize the French soldier perhaps.

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The horse's head at the front and also there's at least one French soldier in the background.

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But it was allied soldiers that provided the guard of honor that took the body to belong for transportation on Hms.

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For done across the Channel to England and we create the words of Field Marshals to Henry Wilson.

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No words can tech could tell how proud we offices and men would have would be to have one of our simple soldiers buried in Westminster Abbey, and of course, the following day, after a dying resting overnight in

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Westminster Abbey. the body of the unknown soldier or the unknown warrior would be re buried with 2 pump and circumstances.

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At 11 Am. on the eleventh out of the eleventh die.

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And this is a memorial called for the burial of the unknown warrior.

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I don't know who these were issued to Apart from the congregation in Westminster Abbey congregation was by invitation only numbered a 1,000 people.

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Most of them were the wives, or mothers of men who had been killed during active service.

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70 Bcs provided the guards of honor politicians, members of the government, military members of the royal family, also attending I'm.

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Going to change the slide again. And this is King George the Fifth pudding.

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His personal race on the gun carriage. His Ruth was of red roses and bay leaves.

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Bailey, symbolizing sacrifice, victory, and immortality

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And the body with the or the body on the call.

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Change, of course. policies The sun is half on its way to Westminster Abbey, where George the Fifth, formally unviled.

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They know. send it off. Of course it it not new anymore.

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But the permanent senate off and Here's the painting very fine with the painting that Frank o Salisbury actually did of the ceremony Westminster Abbey and It's interesting to know

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the female members of the royal family are right at the back. Thanks.

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A pillar, and here, on the right we have team George the fifth, he's 3 sons.

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Behind the King is Edward, Prince of Wales. Next to him is the 2 of your present points. father.

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Of course, who would become George the Sixth, and next to him is the 2 of Costa Henry, Duke of Boston.

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The elderly gentleman. On the right hand side is Prince Arthur, Duke of Cono, youngest son of Queen Victoria.

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At 17 it's, still totally vowed with the military, most of the sound just called in Brandad, but not to his face, and he called them his boys, and

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This is the closer detail and the crow often used. They buried him among the kings because she had done good towards God and towards his house.

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It was the second anniversary of the armistice.

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So the eleventh of November the nineteenth, 18, was the armistice.

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This is the eleventh of November 1922 I'm going to change slides again, and here we have the actual tone in Westminster Abbey.

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A very old photograph. This states from 1922. The black marble tombstone that was put over the grave was put there in 1921.

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It is Belgium marble, and inside the grave there are barrels of earth from Belgium the line, The some of the battles took place on The coffin was of English hope from a tree felled at Hampton, quote and it

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was banded n iron enroll. On On the top was a crusade is sold.

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That King George the Fifth selected personally from the royal armory, and the coffee plate reads a British warrior who fell in the great war, 1,000 915,918 so it's a king

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on country, and this is the eap or partrice flag that Rilton used during the whole of the four-year campaign as an altercloth, and also to put over the graves of some of the soldiers while he

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conducted the burial service still in Westminster Abbey, but a lot of controversy.

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It used to hang over the tone it's been moved to a side chapel.

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The official reason was in 1,953 for the Queen's coronation.

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It interfered with the camera angles, and so it was not put back.

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And there it hangs. This is the brave, as we know it today, surrounded by poppies for remembrance.

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Sunday referred to as almost this guy until the second world war then called Remembrance die.

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I don't know if you are aware but this spoke high a flowers on the unknown.

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What's tone? There is a tradition that royal brides place their bouquet of flowers on the unknown warriors home.

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This is Megan Spokai i'm going to change the slide again.

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Now, and this is the liege. Ho! started that tradition.

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The like. Quill Elizabeth's the Coin Math married 1923 to the Duke of York, who we saw in Salisbury's picture of the Re Burial ceremony, and she laid her

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Balkai on the on now worries Toby as she left Westminster Abbey after their marriage, in memory of one of her brothers, Captain Ferguspose.

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Lion, who was killed at the age of 25 at the battle of Loose, 1,915, leaving behind him a widow and a 2 month old baby daughter.

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This is David Rilton gifts, Tom, in the Scottish Highlands, and, as you can say, Rilton is never forgotten.

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I'm sorry I didn't tell you I was changing so.

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But yeah, covered in remembrance. Day poppies.

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The Senator. Of course i've already mentioned temporary version on the left permanent version on the right and now very similar.

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But then no, I can't go and describe one listed in in case you're interested.

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This is another painting by Salisbury of the unveiling off the Senate off.

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But I can, George the Fifth as Chief Mona, and you can see him on the bottom, just right of middle, until the flags

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I want you to end with a quote. I and I search for one, and I found this, and I thought it's Sunday up, and it was written by James Bone, who was a journalist, and the London editor of the Manchester

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guardian, and he wrote it in 1,920.

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About the time the unknown warrior was buried with you, Pump, and 2 ceremony.

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We know you. Wow, dear comrade, we know that to you these honors would sing the most gigantic of jokes if they were paid to yourself.

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Your goforest will burst the coffin. But you understand this is hundreds of thousands we are honoring in your person because she were nameless and were forgotten.

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We choose you. you represent them all, and I thought that was probably the best.

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Now that I could finish on

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Thank you very much, Margaret, that's a really great fascinating story isn't it to to hear the story behind something that would all really quite familiar with but probably unaware of all to be and what happens at the time So that's fascinating

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Now what i'm gonna do is we've got a few questions here, so we'll just kick off

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No, we've got a question from helen yeah let me just find it in the chat.

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No, we talked. You talked about Wyatt, who was the the man who made the the choice of which of the the the bodies he was going to choose?

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Do we Do we know how we made this choice? or is that laptop in the secrecy around the whole thing?

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There is no official account other than the official account, says there were 4 bodies placed in the chapel.

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Why enters with a not I n another another officer i'm wire chooses one at random Now with that we deliberately no official account.

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Obviously, I I I don't know but I know of no other information on how he made his selection.

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Okay, Well, i'm afraid we can't answer that one for you Helen. sorry, Helen. i've I've never succeeded in like so much of this story.

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Their speculation there's questions there's lots of conspiracy theories out there, and I doubt we'll ever know the answers. I guess it adds to the intrigue of the whole thing doesn't it yeah I mean where

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Is this mythical, or is it mythical government paperwork that tells us all about it, but was kept from the British people?

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Now a lot of people firmly believe that it does exist.

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I mean I just have no profile the way yeah okay right Now, here's an interesting question, and let me just find it hang on a second. You know, if anyone has ever thought about a dna testing.

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Now I don't think that will ever happen I think the idea would horrify the British public.

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Hmm I think I think you know we'll never know the answers, but he in a way this unknown represents not only all the office, I mean 500,000 who have no known grave you know so many you

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couldn't be identified because of the nature of warfare. I think people would be quite horrified at the idea.

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Yeah. okay. no. we've got questions from andrew now, you talked about, Senator, And obviously we've been talking about the unknown audio.

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Is that connect a connection between those 2 things? or were they 2 kind of entirely separate concepts that just happened to sort of come together at the same time?

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Yeah, I mean these really, really good question share right?

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I think they were 2 separate things, because, we happen to know that the French Government stolen march on the British Government in 1,919 by organizing a grand tree pride.

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And of course they bush we can't be out done so very quickly.

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Push shop number most, and they need a focal point, because the soldiers, you know, as far as marching through London and the Americans, the French were invited to send contingent soldiers to march with our soldiers.

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You know it's strong open to the other allied nation sent you soldiers over, and we'll have a grand victory.

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Pray. It was built as a victory case parade through London, and they need it.

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A focal point and a memorial was so to pay the y phone with I mean memorials Lutherans and a fortune it's designing I I might add in fairness to lectures he

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didn't charge the British Government for designing the Senator he refused to take his faith, but he certainly designed memorials all over the country.

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So I I I think the 2 were separate. I think if I sign, I say the same task is national.

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Morning represents the molding of a nation, the grief, the mourning of a nation.

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They are no warriors, too, is personal morning. my brother, my husband, my father, my son, my cousin, my sweet!

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How? yeah? So I I I in my mind that's how it. is you? You may, you know you may well disagree with me, and and that is exactly how it should be.

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But tha that's how it occurs to me but I think the 2 events were separate.

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Yeah. Okay, Well, thank you. Hope that answers your question for you Andrew.

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No, I've got another question here from Hmm let me just find but lots of comments here.

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Yeah, from Barbara, No. There's 2 bits to this Barbara is asking, Does Germany or allied countries have a similar memorial? No.

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And with had a subsequent comment from and I can't change it.

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No. through all the comments we I think there is a a a similar memorial in France at the Arts Trail, absolutely initially.

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Phones. debates it very long and very hard where they were going.

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Chery Barry, their unknown soldier. That was a lot of Dubai about it.

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But in the end the opt to trail was decided on.

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Yes, you're absolutely right. one once France and britain has led the way.

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Other countries followed absolutely, and and you know one of the things I didn't mention.

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But I should do is, after the ceremony had taken place.

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The re burial on the eleventh of November. 1920.

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1.2 million people visited Westminster Abbey during the course of the following week, just to stand like the the the the term, and of course other countries read about This there.

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Was publicity in all the papers. not just the British newspapers.

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I mean the Daily Express has led a given the lead to campaigning for in support of this idea they thought it was a brilliant idea, and they, you know, ran a very vigorous campaign.

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So of course other countries got here. It yeah that's right idea will will do the same.

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So you're, you're right at the countries follow sue Absolutely.

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Okay. Well, I think that's us got to the end of our questions.

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We've got lots of ventures. and comments here which i'll make sure I pass on to you tomorrow, Margaret, and thanks for your questions, everybody.

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Well, good evening.

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This put to put people in the mood for a late summer holiday.

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I have, so I hope you managed a holiday of some kind.

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This year. So this is about foreign holidays for the Victorian middle classes, and This is what i'm going to cover.

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I want to say something very, very briefly about the eighteenth century grand tour, because this is going on going abroad on a different scale together.

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But then fine focus on what made it possible for the Victorian middle classes in particular to spend their later time abroad. and I look quite, quite detailed.

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Kind of quite detailed, and look at Thomas Cook, and the development of organized travel in the nineteenth century.

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Say something briefly about Victorian travel companies are the ones and

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Someone advice to travelers going abroad some of which is i'm in the sensible some of which is rather alarming.

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I think, and quite a lot of which is quite amusing.

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So that's the that's the plan Okay, so the eighteenth century grand tour only for the rich.

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Young man from the aristocracy and gentry in particular, to finish their education after university, as you can see, especially Roman and Greek history, language, and literature, and usually chucker, owned by a paid tutor

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or guide to ensure that they did this future, only in Tamil and spending a considerable amount of time abroad 6 months to 2 or 3 years touring maybe visiting relatives friends or people

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who are regarded as mentors living for some time in various places, and the golden age of this was really from the 17 sixties to

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The outbreak of the French Revolution in 1,789

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Preceded by this period of peace and prosperity, which then came to an end, and cause very serious disruption to this sort of travel.

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So. how the Victorian middle class is able to spend more electricity time abroad?

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Well, there are several reasons. One of them is the development of steamships, which were not only faster and more reliable than sale.

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Had other advantages on the first powered crossing of the Atlantic was in 1819

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Only using steam for 80 h of the over 600 h journey.

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That was space of honor. And then the first steamship passenger service, 1838, the British and American Steamship Navigation Company.

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So this is very early into the Victorian period. and

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This was the serious from London to Cork, and then, to New York. and and these things are measured precisely as we'll see, 18 days, 4 h and 22 min, despite running out of coal on the journey, I mean instead of having to burn

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all sorts of wooden fixtures and fittings to keep the steam up.

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Just to give you an idea of how things change to really quite quickly.

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The Great Western in 1838 took over 15 days to cross the Atlantic and average speed of 8.4, one kilometers an hour, and the Britannic by 1875 virtually.

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Half that at length of time, with the speed of 14.5, Hello!

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I know, so I should say, no sorry i'm in decimal mode not far out, and then the Joyce land

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There was less dramatic development, slow but continuing development as a century war on, so that the Deutschland in 1,900 could do the journey.

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And about 5 and a half days I was some technical developments That help I don't want to bother you.

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With a lot of technicality. But this is really quite important.

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The marine compound steam engine, which it was very economical in using the steam twice in each engine cycle saving.

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Oh, anything up to 40% of fuel which is a considerable saving on the amount of call that had to be carried patented in 1854, And it did make possible longer journeys when it was not possible

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to refuel to pull into port and ratio.

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And then, very importantly, the use of steel instead of iron, from 1879 onwards.

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Larger steamships increase in size of tenfold, and the second half of the nineteenth century steel is considerably light of an iron, and that was not made the difference.

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And again in terms of transport as well. The expansion of railway networks within Britain considerable expansion.

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Easier to travel to ports, to embark on the ships and department of railways across us.

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Europe initially with British technology, I'm sure all the nations develop their own.

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Francis Bell, Jim Saxon, New Bavaria, Austria, Hungary, Italy quite late.

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Because there were no there. were separate states and it's so intimidating.

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61 meeting 71 if you count Rome. but

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There was no national network until after 1861, and that was developable with them, security in mind rather than trouble for pleasure.

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In the United States and Canada, as Well, and that's

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The Canadian Pacific Railway in particularly the queen's highway.

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The symbol of imperial pride. built in an astonishingly short period of time, and they started either side of Canada and met in the middle but 18, a She won't completed 1885 and

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that took then a week coast of coast to travel an old red route, as it was referred to from Britain to the Pacific, and also politically very important within Canada physical unification of the different

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provinces. One of the reasons that it was built so quickly is shown in this image.

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The import of Chinese labor to help build the railway with the special of railway networks.

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I love this punch cartoon. It sort of captures the

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The role of the bewildering array of choice that people came to have.

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And so here's this family at the railway station trying to decide where to go.

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The wife is saying, Well, here we are at last, children, luggage, and a whole.

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What is it to be the ryan d or ram skate and There's a wealth of detail in the cartoon which I haven't got time to but you you've got the drift of it

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here's the the the naughty boy climbing his his system probably telling on him, and all the rest of it.

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And the scene of a company bustle while people get their trains to wherever what else do people need for for a holiday as well?

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It's obvious I need you plenty of time to travel we're not talking about rapid journeys, even with improvements in transport.

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They need time to stay to make it worthwhile.

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So you know, Maybe 2 weeks is is round about the minimum, I suppose, and anything up to going all the way around the world which i'll come to later, but they need a certain level of income because they need to pay for the

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transport for the food. The accommodation the local guides which i'll seen as essential, and

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They need to safe destinations. they there's very little in the way of holiday trouble in the United States, for example, until the civil war finished in 1965, and here this image of italian troops raising the flag

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of a united easily, and Venice in 1866 for quite a few years before that. the north of Italy, was in a stage of a people.

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Well, the Italians various italian states spoke for independence.

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I'm. Not sure and That's reflected in that from Thomas Cook trouble in August.

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1866 for ticket. So what? One or 2 months to Paris, Switzerland, Italy in America?

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It sort of gives you an idea of the length of time that was necessary.

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And also advertise is this proposed trip in September of that year to emancipated Venice

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So who was Thomas Corp? and how did his trouble business come about?

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Well, you can see here. He was born in 1,890, in Derbyshire, in Melbourne.

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He was a cabinet maker by profession, so he was quite a skilled notice that.

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And He was a very devout Baptist, and he became a missionary.

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Traveling around from village to village. preachingly

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The Gospel would also be promoting the temples, cause

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He had signed up to this himself, and, in fact, his first excursion.

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You probably know, was from Nester to Lobbra to a temperance meeting in 1,841 on the meddling Counties Railway, which was opened in the previous year.

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And He hired the the trains to go there and back, and they they had a meeting in quite a large park.

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I think and that was that was the beginning that shared the potential.

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I think you recognized the potential so organized discussions Didn't Lester what his main base was the Thomas Cook building in gallatry gate and I don't know if you know last but

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It's not far from the clock tower and there are these freezes showing scenes from the development of this business.

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So the temperance chips to look for the top one with open carriages.

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You can see the Crystal Palace. for the Great Exhibition in 1,850.

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One the boats on the Nile lace in 84 helping to relieve cartoon and the opening of the fourth bridge in 1891, which made the journey to stop very much easier, and quite a lot

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quicker So to give you an idea of how the business grew. let me say I.

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I've mentioned the Yoga exhibition over 160,000 passengers carried over a period.

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It was on for a long while. over 160,000 passengers carried, you know.

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He started his tolls to H. to Scotland in 1846, and they were personally escorted by him.

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A lot of his tours were personally exported by Thomas Cook. the Paris exhibition in 1855.

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That will give you an idea of The room to Paris.

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Hey? How rich antwerp russell's, Colonel the exhibition was at the heart of the tour, But he encompassed quite a lot of other locations as well and his tools

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to front such a in Switzerland. They started in the early 18 sixties, and then he did

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Goes to the U.S.A. after the Civil War ended in 1865, and then the fast Nile cruise after the so is canal in 1869, and also to Egypt and the holy land in the

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Savior from the same year he was very keen on taking people to the holy line because of it's really just significance.

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And that sort of the *s that some idea of his is Nile flotilla with

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I wish I could leave. you took no longer, but very evocatively named ships.

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And there are quite a lot of photographs like this.

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British tourists on a cook's tour in this case at the Pyramids in the late nineteenth century.

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This is from the Thomas cook archive i'm sure you Know that the company of Thomas Cook doesn't exist any longer at but It's Archive has been deposited appropriately.

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I think, in the record office for less to share lessons and it's being cataloged and processed at the moment. and

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Some of these photographs posters, all sorts of things are part of that archive and his first round the world Tour in 1872, 73 again personally conducted by him

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So a few, just a few statistics and locations around 29,000 miles.

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222 jad so it's out about 8 months, I think roughly and for the full trip.

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It wasn't necessary to do the full trip you could join do one or 2 legs as many as you liked, and get get off again.

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But 270 Guinness for a full trip, which was a considerable amount of money at that time.

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As far as I can tell. I tried to work out the route across the Atlantic Price team ship, and then New York to San Francisco by rail steamer to Japan, then to China, but then Singapore, Salon

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and India, and then from Bombay across the Indian Ocean and the Red Sea to Cairo, from where people traveled back to London by ship.

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If they I complete it. the whole tool will last nag of the tool, and there's a brochure cova from the from 1891 with the some images of his tools.

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Around the world. The The company was starting to advertise itself in in biographic ways.

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Then, although by then Thomas Cook himself was, was not playing any part in it.

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A few other examples of fairs in 1872 for shorter trips.

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These are from Darby Dolby, Paris, about 35 shillings.

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So, although it says cheap excursion to the Continent cheapative term, because these are beyond the the reach of working class scholars, certainly.

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Or if you want to go to rotterdam around the back a little bit less. 25 shittings Brussels, and outlook 30 shittings or a secular tour. encompassing go quite a

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lot, so I won't keep reading it too i'm not sure how well you can see if you're on an iphone.

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Maybe, but so the secular tool to Robert Jam, and then returning via all doing it the other way around 79 shittings.

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So what did Thomas Cook? the Napoleon of extension even that was that was not a complementary term.

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It was we've come to the people who objective to what he did very shortly.

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But what did he offer to trouble as well? first of all, safety and security, because he did a score level personally?

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Or he sent a representative of the company. ever at hand to make easy the travelers progress and take care of any problems I've taken these new various

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I've the man from cooks I'm told Curtis a long rifle, speaking with ease every now 11 time language. I scored it us safely through parts of Asia Minor never before visited

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by English women. that was a testimonial, as you can see from the end of the nineteenth century, and unprotected females were chaperoned so well. Men who wanted to travel on their own which would be

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very difficult to know the circumstances. they'd be quite vulnerable, and not necessarily very experienced in traveling abroad.

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So Thomas Cook promised to check our own them if they were unprotected.

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Oops. Sorry i'm too far. confident convenience very important first class establishments according to the other birds and food are acceptable to the thorough roast beef and putting eating englishmen so none

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of this nasty foreign food that people dreaded going abroad.

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Hungry and polymer biscuits for afternoon tea country house, breakfast, and the company arranged for produce grown in Egypt along the river, so that it was fresh newspapers sent out from

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Britain. They were significant out of date by the time they got there, but so we're told from this description.

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Wherever you go, the top of a pyramid or a long, you will see a British are reading a newspaper, and in the Middle East chanted hotels with with the these sorts of comforts taken down and

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transported to the next venue by baggage animals.

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Push up again by sundown so that when people arrived at their next destination they would find their own good napkin from breakfast laid by their dinner place.

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Arrangements of mail to be sent to and collected from tool destiny destinations every day.

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This is such a prompted a result. to picture postcards from the 1890 S.

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Because if male could be collected and sent every day, there was an expectation back in Britain.

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But people would keep writing. So the postcard relief, the burg on the writing most not.

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My experience actually was sending a postcard i've never been able to put on it.

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But so there's a postcard from from the nineteenth century

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And there quite a lot of testimonials in various newspapers.

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Thanking him for in this case this was a tool to Italy, Switzerland!

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A high sense we entertain if you're valuable services as our conductor and you can see the

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The hotels that were selected, the telegraphing ahead.

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The accommodation all of these things found favor with the people traveling within.

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But I say some people disapproved. Charles Leva. No, I is no less 1865, that he was swamping Europe with everything that is low red Bulgar and ridiculous.

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So the less to journal, and they look a bit later in the same year, was wondering why people are inflicted with this mania for perpetual motion, and when told him to say several motives by which people were induced

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to undergo danger, to incur the team, to subject themselves to all sorts of annoyances for the sake of visiting celebrated spots and exploring regions.

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Every mile of which have already been done by tourists it said, Well, it's because they like change they like novelty.

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They want to see new sites and scenes. they want to refresh their hobby and their mind, both of which alright!

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Well works possibly and it went on to say, people who trouble just because it is fashionable.

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Are very stupid, large class, and gaze with indifference upon every beauty about all nature.

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This same vacant look, the same Don list for the same ignorant observation.

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If the British were bad. punch, said the Americans are using worse.

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I don't know if you can see the caption to that call, too, so I will read it to you.

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Overheard at the Louvre American tourist suspiciously.

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Say Guide haven't we seen this room before guide Oh, no, Mr.

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Tourists. Why, wouldn't see here. we want to see everything but we don't want to see anything twice.

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Okay, what motivated him? It was certainly not a desire for profit, because he he barely made any very modest profits.

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And This became a real bone of contention with his son, John Mason called, as we'll see, but she was motivated by a belief that the more people met each other the greater they would on understanding each other and to

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pioneer the way for the golden age when nations should learn more more.

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That's a direct quotation from him it's a very, very noble objective, I think but reflected in. say, some of the testimonials that his tours were helping to break down the

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barriers that separated nations, some nations people from people advancing civilization by teaching the universal brotherhood of man and the universal fatherhood of Good.

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Okay, Cool? Perhaps not what you might associate with the

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A sort of package tool, so that it was said that when he took tourist to Scotland, and they like 1840, or 50, so he did rather press the temples call to the extent that they got rolled the phone up with

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it but some. but that reflects, I think, his own motivation his son, John Mason, Cook.

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Had a much more business like Approach and they they really did form melt about this.

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Eventually Thomas put stop taking that too. Well, quite a long while before he died.

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In 1892 He was practically blind when he died.

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But he didn't approve of this pursuit of profit.

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But John Mason, cook as you can see here, organized Kaiser Wilhelm.

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The second 6 week, Middle East, and tour at the end of the century.

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A monumental undertaking in terms of their animals.

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The carriages and the parts for which he was awarded.

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The Order of the Golden Crown of Prussia.

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The company was taken over by his 3 sons, and it stayed in the family until 1928, when it was built by

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The French railway company that operated the Oriented Express Company, Dave Bible one only, if your excuse me. I captured French excellent

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The The company also made it easier for people to trouble independently We didn't have to sign up for the whole exported tool.

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This is How was your manufacturer in Lester writing to one of the local newspapers, and he's done with a party of other people to Palestine, and he'd taken cook short tall

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tickets there. had paid for a fortnight to include everything and as he said there, it saved all the trouble of making his own arrangements, and well, the puzzling they mess us cook kind of games one of their best

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drago men, a Protestant hungarian Jew I think he's he's referring to an ethnic Jew.

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Rather than it's it's a it's a bit of a puzzle.

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But I think That's what she's referring to but he went on to say, Jeff was the only port of any importance in Palestine.

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Lots of people would have disagree, I think as an image of it.

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And it was fatiguing, he said, traveling to Jerusalem.

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When they got there. it's really about to be paved which any hardship is endurable when troubling to the Holy City.

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And it was you know something that motivated, and lots of people to actually go to the Holy Land and to go to Jerusalem in particular.

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So we do get some glimpse of People's experiences through these kinds of letters to newspapers.

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There's also a new market, new markets for holiday goods and services for the middle classes who were traveling abroad.

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Guidebooks is it? cooks produce their own guide books.

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By because i'm laurie's guidebooks were also widely available.

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You can get some of them online. Actually, if if you wanted to have a school, a point in trusting cameras.

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The first codec camera produced in the U.S.A. by George's son in 1,988. but

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We can more widely available. That's the century progressed not that easy to operate, but some certainly a market for that.

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If you were going abroad, clothing suitable for different clients, which are actually return to in terms of our advice.

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And for souvenirs, as you see from the friends of remembrance.

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So you buy something to bring back with you. I just to give us a gift, or to show people as a reminder of your holiday, and also insurance.

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As the century went on again. This is a punch part, too.

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The The form of luggage insurance is to where everything, if they possibly can.

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And you can see that they've all got on several layers of clothing.

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Several hats and the caption if you can't read it says it's rather troublesome when traveling to carry all one's personal property about one even that is better than losing one's luggage

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altogether to say that it was possible to take out insurance certainly by

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The later nineteenth century. But using one's luggage was not an common occurrence.

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Hence the yeah punch picking up on it that's a popular appeal

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Some of other Victorian travel companies the Polytechnic Tutorial Association, Specifically, to begin with, with, the staff and students at the Regent Street, Polytechnic, in London from 1888 and this is

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one of an image from one of its cruises.

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Norway cruises, and from time time became an independent company in 1911.

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Later Polly Travel, and then the cooperative educational tools founded by this man, Dr.

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Henry Lum, former Methodist medical missionary in 1893.

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He organized conferences abroad, and then

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I guess all the potential for offering tools, particularly to the Middle East and North Africa and

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They merge holy travel, and no formed non poly.

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In *. Name that's probably very familiar to you that became part of Thompson.

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I mean before being absorbed by Tui

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Oh, Some advice to British tourists abroad. again.

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Punch Punch like to poke fun at the

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The desire of the English to stay very English when they went abroad.

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This is just one example from Asian 76.

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So everything is. Show me a room furnished in the English fashion.

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The English Church, the English doctor, the English papers etc. etc., and there are quite a lot of it on the zoom.

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Punch bye of that nature poking fun it's usually the English rather than the British ship.

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Also. whatever reason should you learn to speak English? sorry.

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Should you learn to speak foreign language is rather than English.

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If you went to board. Well, this is A journal from Lester Liberal Journal.

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From last year 1,896 said there's no need for that.

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Like non fair. that's a different language is spoken the Continent in general, and Switzerland in particular, swell with English people during the summer season.

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I suppose that's fine if you only want to speak to other English people.

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But there were lots of phrase books as you can imagine.

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And you You may have seen paradise of some of these would actually sort of real one.

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That starts off by saying, you know, please don't go so fast, etc., etc.

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And then it's like the it is thundering and lightning, and the wheel has come off the carriage, and so progresses from fairly unnerving to complete disaster.

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And that is actually a genuine moment. how often people needed that I wouldn't like to say but here's some more advice.

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So this is the answer trouble before it's almost cooks escorted tools. really so off.

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So this is the people it's a prices don't for people traveling to furniture remote areas on their own. and some of this advice is is very very practical, as you can see go

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ahead. The dentist, before you travel as you were less than you want, is raging toothache in the middle of nowhere.

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Justin Las with funnel next to the skin, so that you can remove layers of your clothes.

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So I see temperature changes make your own soap if you forget to pack it.

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So you have to take the ingredients with for the soap with you.

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Dealing with the snake bite exploding gunpowder in.

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It is no cost. Stick is to hand and also reminds me of Laurie's died from the *s.

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I think in the holy that devices people to take a pistol with them, and

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That is perfectly possible to buy gunpowder when you get there.

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But you might like to stock upon it before you go so I say that that's quite a lot later.

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But and this, I think, is a very, very good advice.

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Label the bottom of pill bottles rather than the lives.

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So is that so you're sure hopefully if you haven't entered the whole

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You're sure that you're not actually got to what it says on the awesome rather than Many kinds of creeping things are edible.

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It's not very specific about which and a woman will not your long journey nearly as well as a man, and certainly better than a wholesale book.

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I I leave you to make of that what she will.

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Tips full, ladies in particular there's lots and lots of advice.

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I've just picked out few from various sources don't assume that anything will do when you're traveling abroad.

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January to June. Search costume, silk stockings, and button boots, because he elastic boots, make the uncles swell good advice.

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Remember to pack your allivery gloves stretches quite where you're going to use them is is open to speculation.

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I think, but that was a serious piece of advice that you are very close and riding, because, quite a lot of these tools in the Middle East in particular, required you to ride horse a donkey. or sometimes a tumble so a lady won't require a side.

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Saddle if they're going to syria but the sorry will require size subtle, and also for many excursions on donkey of the Nile.

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But if you go with masses, cook steamers that they will provide the side struggle for you.

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So what Another advantage of going on an organized tool?

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I thought about foreign railways this little bulk actually 1862.

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The railway travel is funding. Book contains a lot specialized about British railways as well.

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Very common sense. I fly slide, not sticking ahead after the window, and not crossing the lines.

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When I train is due, because they were That was very often how you got from one platform to another.

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But specifically about forum railways i've just picked out 2 examples.

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In front. you had to surrender your luggage to the officials.

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And hey, fee to get back the location there.

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At your destination. so you're allowed to take £60 of knowledge, free of charge that's a lot of luggage, and it, it reflects the length of the stay.

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But most people were expecting when they went to Broad and in Belgium.

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Women anyone actually had to reach or quit their place.

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To climb over the seats and that's all right for males, the book said. but this is not very good for females, because I have to clumber over in the most awkward and delicate

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fashion on the there are you know. it goes through the

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The whole range really of foreign railways, just the American railways on the epidemi of comfort.

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But there's much more one thing you didn't require until 19.

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14 was a passport, and when they were introduced to clearly it was Oh, to do with the first one the lead up to the war on this particular act, and

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This is on a a single page folded into 8.

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You can see here 8 to there. with a cardboard cover it's not it for 2 years with a photograph and a personal description of your features, and say, that that was completely unnecessary until 1914

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just to conclude to give you just a an idea of attempts to build a Channel tunnel in the nineteenth century.

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Say No, nothing new at all. The first serious attempt in 1875

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With this Company Channel Tunnel Company authorized by up to Parliament to to start trying there's some just bullying, and that kind of thing simultaneously in

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From. So it was a joint enterprise, and

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It was intended to to meet in the middle. So it was one of the people who promoted it was the ahead of the great central Railway.

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So. and what can I think? a division of being able to go?

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You know, from the north of England right through to France.

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But although several shafts and tunnels were board the Government with joy support, and they are the 1880 S.

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Because it was concerned about the uses to which a tunnel might be put.

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And there's a quote from lieutenant General Saddam, it will say, no matter what fortifications and defenses were built.

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There would always be the peril of some Continental army.

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Seizing the for some Continental army.

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I think you can safely read the French because I was seamlessly the most likely to to do this.

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So to conclude that's part of an abandoned tunnel from those works in 1880 near to Dover at some Margaret's day.

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So that's the end of the lecture and I just want to say if you enjoyed this, and you might be interested in other things a little bit presenting a series.

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Excuse me. I 8 stand alone vectors in the autumn term. so or anything in between you just to enroll for the walls that you'd like to attend and that's on the theme of Victorian

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Britain's view from the street so everything that went on in the streets of Victoria will be covered in those lectures on there on Tuesdays at 1030, just for an hour starting on the thirteenth and

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September. So thank you very much for watching.

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I stop sharing, and then we could take some questions.

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Thank you very much, for since that was really interesting, and I think you know, really interesting to hear a little bit of the history of Thomas Cook, because it's a name that we're all so familiar, with yeah, to hear some of the the history of that

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and I have to see some quite alarming advice.

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There i'm entirely sure where the gunpoded idea came from doesn't sound particularly sensible doesn't it.

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And okay, so let's have a look at some questions Now where should we start? No.

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The was actually a question that came in quite early on. It was when you were talking about the compound steam engine.

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Actually as kind of you know, one of the big developments that meet and foreign travel at that time and possible.

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No. Miranda was asking what other? What was the other fuel used in the the compound steam engine so obviously call there.

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But I think there was another feel I don't know but I can find out.

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Yeah. So alright, Okay, a bit more of a technical question.

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That's Okay, I i'll be interested in the answer myself.

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So that's no problem. Okay, Okay, right so let's move on.

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Then. Okay. no. There was one question that has come in from Barbara when we were talking about Tom's kick.

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Obviously we we took Tom's cook quite love did cook wreck his tours in advance, or first, or did he rely more on local contacts in order to put his tools together?

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He. he certainly record records the and at the earliest stages the he would go, and you know.

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Take with with a little bit of an entourage.

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He would build the local relationship, you know, identified the suitable accommodation and that kind of thing.

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I think us the business grew bigger than He employed other people to do that, but in the early stages of the business

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He would actually go and visit and work these things out, then come back and set up the tool.

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Hmm: Okay. interesting. And on a question from Brian.

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And obviously Thomas cooks no longer longer with us these days.

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Is he? Would you be right in understanding that Thomas Cook actually meant bust the number of times during its existence?

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Yes, I think it. They went into administration again, I I can check out the dates.

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If you'd like me to because there is there's a sort of timeline for that it it was very close to going bankrupt before this latest time.

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And It was it's been in various times the midterm bank home dish at one time, and various other.

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So I I can find out, because we are going to there is going to be a facility isn't the Yeah, We can certainly take that and answer it afterwards.

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And post some and it comes so I think the

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The answer is, Some of the in it went into administration.

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I was rescued, but I'm not quite sure when so I will find out.

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Okay. Excellent. Okay. No, A couple of other questions about Thomas Cook did

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Did he have any major disasters on any of his tours that were documented in any way?

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Not not in terms of you know, people being injured, and this kind of thing but he did in the early stages, and he took a tour to Scotland, and that involved steamers as well as the

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railway they? There was a total absence of toilet facilities.

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Apparently, and by time. By the time the passengers dissembled their destination, it was said that they were.

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They were fit to bursting. and you know this was

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This was quite a serious oversight in terms of of that comfort of which they had known by the time they were.

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The journey went on. So things did go wrong sometimes and Then he he would learn the lessons of that, and make different arrangements, but i'm not aware of any actual disasters.

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You know any thinking about railway crashes? attacks during the holidays, or anything like that?

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Okay, right? What else do we have got another question. but Thompson?

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Wait! Are we sorry? Let me just kind of scroll up. And then the chat here.

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Did any. Yet did other countries have kind of like an equivalent of Thomas Cook.

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Tourists that we know about. Yes, they did develop particularly, I think, in the United States.

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But also in European countries they often they were railway companies that arranged tools at various times.

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So they they did use him as a vegetable model Yes, I can't.

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I can't give you a name at the moment many of them but I I probably can't miss the if I have a look.

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But yes, he's not was used you know by other people.

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But I say often it was really companies, because they had the, you know they had the means of transporting people, and often hotels and and resource facilities were developed as well by raw making. this.

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So I see if I can find any specific examples for you.

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Okay. This is not so much of a question, but but more of an observation actually from Norman.

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Talking about Donald Ju, who I believe was Scotland's first first minister, and obviously his duties, demanded that he occasionally visited other countries, and traveled, and apparently civil servants discovered that he did

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not possess a passport And when he was asked about this point in an interview, he said, trouble with travel is that it narrows the main completely against kind of the motivations for Thomas cook absolutely that that was his

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reason for not having a they didn't want to travel

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No, what else do we have Oh, No he's a he's a question from Francesco.

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How did Tom's cook help with the siege of cartoon?

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By evacuating helping to evacuate the British population.

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Basically, Yeah. and how did they actually do that? I mean, what was that?

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You know, Presumably Yep. So presume? Yes, yes, exactly Nile steamers were

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He stopped taking tourists and They were used by the

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Well, you know operated hunted over to the military in that sense to be used to evacuate the city interesting.

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Let's see what else we have Oh, no here is a question from Tomico.

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When did Wicks weeks start providing mass transport for industrial times to seaside resorts? I guess that's more of a kind of British holiday kind of question.

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Also wakes. Weeks originated in the certainly established by the eighteenth century, and then last the railway network developed.

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Then I it it just depended where people were. but in the north of England, for example, Manchester.

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Lancashire, then? really, from certainly from the 1,800 sixtys.

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Maybe a bit earlier, just depending how well developed the railways were.

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But quite a few seaside results really developed from the railway trouble.

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If that makes sense rather than being resource that the railway so went to, because some like a burst, for example.

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We're quite inaccessible without the railway so and on the you know, on the east coast.

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Not not wakes weeks so much, but in just real holidays people went from Nottingham.

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Lester to skag mass and results like that.

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So it. It was very much a case of how the railways developed, how accessible it these places became.

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And then in turn started to develop facilities. Do I encourage people to visit, or or even to

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Stay It it varied. but I think you know really by the 18 sixties that there were

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There was quite a lot of access to see side terms particular.

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These wakes weeks and holidays when well cause yeah, yeah, okay.

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No here's a He was a practical question what the travellers do about foreign currency.

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They could. yeah, somebody else say, this while back and I I I didn't know but you could actually buy it in Britain.

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I found when I started looking I found quite a lot of advert for a bureau discharge, and some banks offered the service.

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So you I went on by coach once, and we had to work out what the currency was, and how much we'd need for each country.

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We went through quite about 5. I think so you couldn't arrange it in our phones.

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Certainly by the early twentieth century, then organizations like Thomas, who would would arrange it for you.

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But it was possible to. In fact, it was important that you did that.

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You bought your currency And so the appropriate countries before you went.

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Because it was cheap about why it popped, or anything else.

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Okay? And now it's few people asking about the course references for your courses that you've got coming up.

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So what we'll do forks I'll make sure they get those course References from Cynthia, and we will push them up alongside some of the answers to the questions that we were going to come back to and and push

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them up, and beside the recording of the lecture as soon as we can.

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Yeah, after the lecture when it's ready to go

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No, We've got another question here from janet You talk to kind of near the start of the lecture about the grand tour, and Janet is asking when if ever did women go on the ground too not always as far as

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I know not the gravitational itself i've not found any references and it to that, and it would have I think it would have seen been a inappropriate in all sorts of ways.

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First of all they didn't have the well they couldn't go to university, so they didn't have the level of education that the grand tour was designed to to finish off and

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It was almost unthinkable for for women to go on these these sorts of troubling expeditions at that sort of time.

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Things became easier for them in the nineteenth century.

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On the part of you female explorers like Lady Florence Dixie, for example, who went to Patagonia amongst other places, and Lady go through Bell, and it also became easier for women to you

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know to to travel independently by the end of the nineteenth century, but in terms of the grand tool.

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Then, no there wasn't an equivalent for women seems like a bit machine doesn't it? and the sign of the time Okay, right.

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I think we have probably just about covered all that we can.

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Thanks very much for that, Cynthia. I hope everybody enjoyed that certainly I did, and a couple of eye openers there from me!
 

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Hello, good afternoon, evening to all of you. Can you all see and hear me?

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Well, okay.

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Excellent good as usual. I put far too much into this, because I want to tell you so much, because it is all so amazing a topic.

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I could talk for hours and hours, and hours. and probably shouldn't Let me start you off with a little quote from a tell of 2 cities, Charles Dickens, where the the young lad Jerry asks his dad. she's a resurrection

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man and his father is and doesn't really want to answer that question.

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He says. Oh, he's a trademark a branch of scientific goods, person's bodies ain't it?

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Father says little jerry believe it's something of that sort Oh, father, I should so like to be a resurrection man when I grow up so, which is just beautiful now by that point when he's writing resurrection men

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are fairly thin on the ground. this is something that can be joked about.

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But if you've gone back 20 years ago it was a far more serious topic, the period we're looking at is pretty much during the murder act, which runs 1,752 to 1,832 and before that there

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are very, very few corpses of available just basically 6 a year for the whole country.

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But very few people are doing any dissection, not have people doing surgical training to need it.

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After that they changed the law, so that other kinds of bodies are more reasonably available.

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But for that bit in between there is a growing problem is there are a certain number of corpses available, but nowhere near enough.

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Now this is after the 1752 murder act, which says that every murderer and a few other people like Julists, and those who kill with knives and some highway robbers, have to be either gibbeted or

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dissected, but actually most of them are dissected.

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80%. Still, not huge numbers of in the whole of the northeast of England.

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Over that eighty-year period it's only 9 people. So you know, if you're relying on somebody committing a murder to get a body, it could be if there's a problem for you and the demand for trained surgeons is going up

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and up. get the training. You can go to University, Edinburgh, for instance, or Cambridge, or you can apprentice to another surgeon, which means you need some apprenticeships, some hospital. experience.

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But you need to get that experience in bodies and you're not allowed to do anything with live patients until you've got your qualifications.

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I don't know howdy any other options in 1,993.

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There are 200 medical students in London 30 years later. there are over a 1,000, and they're all going to want to train on bodies.

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Now there's a big debate as to where these bodies should come from

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Should, should it be that anyone who kills themselves should be allowed?

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Should it be that the surgeons should volunteer their own bodies when they die?

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Should you just sort of snatch one from from a proper graves, and nobody will ever notice or know a thing that definitely happened.

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It's pretty clear that a lot of people decide the easiest method is to do it yourself.

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So this is the kind of a sort of parody version of the kind of place that these bodies would be ending up, because in the nineteenth century you stop having all the dissections ha happening in this kind of surroundings with a lot of

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people watching one expert to do it, and you get more towards this kind of thing where students would expect to be able to be actively involved, actively cutting up themselves.

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And that's probably a bit more chaotic than it really was, but not necessarily by that much.

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And if you consume a far enough in on these things here, you just about my account levels as a female there, for instance, that this is a price list for bodies, because bodies are becoming this commodity and the fair has always been there of taking

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bodies. Shakespeare's epitaph curses anyone who disturbs his bones.

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That's just because he's famous I think he thought that somebody might do the Dick Turpin's bones are found and dug up and an atomized and that's 1,739 again because he's

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famous, but it's growing fair and a perfectly reasonable one

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Switching in and out between between the pictures and initially, these rich young lads who are getting all of that training, who they have to be fairly rich, to be paying for the full qualification Initially, a lot of them are doing it themselves

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It's sort of expected. Bring your own corpse or what are you going to practice on and they're doing it themselves.

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Well you know they're rich they don't really like grave Robin.

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They're there is instantly a commodity and therefore, in many people who will be quite happy to fill that, and gradually, over, time it becomes less something that the students do and more something that gangs do on their behalf

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and those people i'll soon known as resurrectionists or resurrection men, because they are bringing bodies back up.

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It's not simple so in March 24 6 for instance, there's a newspaper report, the remains of more than 20 bodies were discovered in a shed in Tottenham Court, road supposed to have been deposited there

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by traders to the surgeons of whom there is one. it is said in the borough, who makes an open profession of dealing in bodies, and is well known by the name of the resurrectionist and that's one of

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the first mentions of that name coming up and over the next 20 years, that shift is completed to being a professional matter in 1,790.

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5. There's a gang of 15 men who are exposed to be serving 8 surgeons of public repute, and of a man who calls himself an articulator, and they're giving him bodies from lots of graveyards

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Now the articulator might be a gentleman who turns in the press quite a lot, as in this era, actually selling skeletons quite openly in the newspapers Business cards will sell you skeletons and nobody ever seems to try and track

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down where He's Got these skeletons from it's a bit weird and this's a lot of it happening both in London and in Edinburgh and in places along the route between the 2

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predominantly, sometimes further out but that's that's The main area of traffic in 1,828.

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The Select Committee tried to work out just how much of this is going on, and they say that in a year they are aware of 592 bodies have been dissected, and they know that less than a tenth of those are

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from legal sources, and that must be the tip of the iceberg.

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You know of those 592, 312 were from the same gang.

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But there were other gangs, low and anatomy.

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Schools alone had 2 rival gangs and approximately a 100 to 200 part timers the the person who's done the biggest survey on this thinks that it might have been several 1,000 a year so it's worth

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doing is the thing, because if you are a body snatcher the great robber, you can earn a £1,000 a year.

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That's 5 to 10 times what the wage of an unskilled labourer would be might be a 100 50.

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So, you know, and that with having all your summers off. as well, there's no point trying to do it in summer, because everybody Yeah, everybody wants to, quickly. So you're not going to get anywhere. And so you get 3 or 4 months of the year off.

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And earn 10 times the standard wage it's gonna be tempting. and it's all the more tempting because it's not really that illegal weirdly.

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This is because a corpse is not technically property and you can't steal something that isn't democracy who's a corpse belong to

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So there are specific laws, but nothing that big You could get into a lot more trouble if you robbed grave goods if you robbed valuable clothing because clothing has an owner and a value, a great corpse

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does not. So usually, if a resurrectionist is caught in the late eighteenth century, that they're going to get a whipping

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But unless it's really blatant the authorities top we don't have that much trouble with you, so your method.

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Yes, i'm going to go back now to my pictures for a moment, because what I've got here is a dark lantern.

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These are examples of dark lanterns, which are the kind that you use, which also give very directed light, that you can very easily close off, and they are

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Certainly dark lantons is a very period whether they were used for this or not.

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So what you would do we'll take you maybe an hour to dig somebody up.

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You big down at the head end, and you you have a special wooden shovel, because a wooden shovel will rejoice. there will reduce the amount of noise that it makes when it goes into the earth but will still be hard enough to do

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the job. So you you dig right down at the head end.

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Then you crowbar up the lid a little bit to snap the top section off it the top foot or so.

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Then you put a rope around either the neck or actually under the arms, and then you pull them out through that top bit, and then you fill it.

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The dirt back into space. We have good descriptions of this

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Joe. I don't think we can hear you

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Okay, better that's it thank you very much with this type of microphone that it does every now and then just randomly stop, and you just have to say, Oh, you come back on again. worry about that it's It's always done it just every few

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hours we'll do it. Okay, Well, you're back online I should disappear again.

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So what was the last thing you heard that's the important thing i'm not sure

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Okay, so we know that we go down to the head end and pull the body up by the head.

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Yes, yes, it's just the last sort of 30 s basically Okay, that's good.

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So yeah, you let down a rope with a grapple Corgan says, from his experience of doing it, that you call on the grapple till the coffin cracks.

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Put the broke around, body it up, carry it across the churchyard, and go to where, he says some 4 or 6 are gathered together, awaiting the arrival of the car to convey them straight to a dissecting

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theater. What added the ghastly character of the moonlit scene was that the bodies were stripped stark naked for the possession of a shroud subjects us to prosecution that's what i'm saying

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that you know it's it's not about the body it's about the shroud, which is really counterintuitive.

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But that's that's how it is so there are surprisingly few pictures of people actually doing it from the era.

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But this is one dissectionists at work with a nice ghost in there.

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Just a further scare everybody, and then, of course, they put everything neatly back into place.

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It seems very much a mark of a professional not to make it obvious what just happened, and they don't necessarily they don't really see themselves as bad as the bad guys.

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They're just you know doing what has to be done because they have to train.

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Someone has to get the bodies up. If you get to that stage and find that the body is actually not as fresh as you hoped, then what you would probably do is take some of the teeth, particularly the kines, and then you would sell them to

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the dentists, so that at least you got something out of the process, because at this point they're still putting whole teeth straight into other people's mouths.

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No, of course, sometimes that you are gone even for that and you wouldn't do it.

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If the person had clearly died a small box for instance we know so much about them.

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Because of a marvelous thing which is this: This is a page on the diary of Joseph Naples is gang.

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The Borough gang were active in London in the 18 tens Ben Crouch was their leader.

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He's a bully and a prize fighter then they're the heart, and Harnet brothers a former porter from the dissecting rooms and a church sexton, which is obviously helps and we can

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see in this both The scale of what they're doing and where they're taking the different bodies, and also how much money they're getting for them.

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I'm not sure if you can make out any of the thing there, so i'll show you there's a little bit of it to transcribed.

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I'll give you a moment just to read

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When he's talking about large and small there that's obviously adults and children.

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And there is also the mention of a features and to a certain extent.

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They Wouldn't know what they were digging up but not entirely you can see they're being taken to lots of different places to guys and Thomas's and also to individuals.

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And some are being sent up to towards Edinburgh.

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And it is very lucrative, as I say, he made a good part of money.

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Doing this

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He mentions over the course of the text, the various schools, and also 5 private anatomy schools.

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The children's bodies. It would appear are done are paid for by length, whereas the adults are a base for guinea.

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So. Yes, we can work out all sorts of things by looking at this at this dire.

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It's a bit gruesome. there, you go according to Joshua Burke Brooks, who was one of the people that he was giving these bodies to.

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He complained that the costs had gone up, and the gangs were taking advantage of their need for more bodies, and he was winging.

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But when he started in the business he could get a body for as little as 2 guineas.

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And now it had gone up to at least 4, sometimes more.

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Which yeah, seems a little ungrateful. But there you go.

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That's Joshua brooks there it's one of the people that was taking these others would go to theatres of anatomy.

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Where would you be done in a very formal way like have on this side?

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That's the Cambridge theatre of anatomy Miss Brooks.

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There had a private medical school, and with all of the bodies that he had coming in, he was also able to build up anatomical museum.

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One visitor to this museum said it was so crowned with skeletons and other specimens that it was hardly possible to move without knocking down something with one's tail coat, which my my house, is much the same but

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it isn't all comprised of body parts in Jars which I suspect Joshua Brooks's was on the work of the gangs. one a group in Edinburgh who have no gang name that we

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know of, but their own personal names are just brilliant.

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We know that this gang is involved a chap called Mary Andrew.

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So whose real name is Andrew merrillese and he's. he's the cart driver, and he said of him that he would be happy to sell his sister's own corpse.

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If only she would die. The spoon! New specialism, of course, is scooping the bodies out from the coffin like a spoon.

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And moldy warp, which is an old name for a mole because he's the one who's faster sit than digging

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Add, praying, Howard. It would join morning parties in order to try to get information.

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About who's being buried where and when what state they're in, and another called Screw, and that was it made up a gang

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Obviously it's easier if you are working with a grave digger if you can get them on sides.

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Then, that's a very helpful thing, but and in the early days some grave diggers just do it themselves, you know.

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Just you know where the bodies are. They can dig him up that night.

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No one else is going to be in the graveyard and it doesn't look suspicious in 1777, one grave digger and his deputy are convicted.

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Let me get 6 months imprisonment and a whipping be a lot worse.

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So yeah, they that that was if they said that it was inflict. The weapon was inflicted with a severity due to so detestable an offense.

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So they're whipped hard. But nonetheless that's the worst that it gets.

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So and of course you want to have a relationship with a doctor when you're doing this.

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Ashley Cooper was a dissection issue to keep in touch with the doctors of everyone he'd operated on, so that he would know who was going to be an interesting case to get his own men to go and dig

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up after they die. Oh, I did an operation on him i'd love to see how it went bring me back his body.

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Very strange man. askly Cooper allegedly.

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He would. if he wanted to give a friend a present, he would get a piece of bone, paint the person's name on it, feed it to a dog, and then later dissect the dog, get the bone and have a beautifully.

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etched name on the piece of bone so etched in dog, stomach, acid, and give them as a present to people.

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That's the kind of gentleman we're talking about here?

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Did I warn you at the start this was going to be very, very odd.

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I don't think I did, but that hopefully the title gave it away.

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So yes, you would hand this body on to either the surgeon or their assistant.

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Some kind of minor deniability that they're also known as the sack 'em up men, because they would carry them around in sacks and sometimes pack them in sawdust, and tie them up and sometimes

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disfigure the face to make it less obvious that people will work out.

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He's like Oh, brooks you just saw once refused to pay the body snatches the amount that they were asking.

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So they placed some part, dissected rotting corpses at either end of the street that his premises was gone.

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Yeah, members of the public in the dark, stumbled upon these rotting corpses and assumed that Brooks was to blame for it.

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Okay, I'm, not fully paying attention to what's in the thing. but I notice you've yes, you've noticed, my little friend Ball. but there is he's sadly not real you're not allowed to just keep real ones getting

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around like that, but but he has got. He has got one of the little labels from the skeletons for sale.

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People. where do you put the remains? afterwards? Well, if you still got an intact skeleton? you can send them to the skeleton iser, and he'll send them on Sometimes they just end up lying around

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the Gentleman's magazine Reports a group of people who found at the dung hill of Saint George's fields the bodies of a woman and 8 children cut up the handiwork presumable of some young

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anatomist who deserves a rigorous punishment for this carelessness, and indiscretion, Gentlemen's magazine doesn't mind that he did it in mind that he's

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carelessly, had indiscreetly got rid of the bodies where anyone can find them Who?

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This little

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This little pile of goodies was found under the house of Benjamin Franklin, and date from the time when he was training as a surgeon.

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When this was discovered, absolutely outraged, a large number of Americans who didn't want to think that their Benjamin Franklin could possibly be involved in anything like that.

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But given the time in place, he was at he almost certainly was and there is a very good chance that those were people that he dissected, and they just put them under the house just an hour, and put them under the house you've

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got a you see what that's floor why not some people do get hungry, you know.

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If they think it's happened near them they can there are riots.

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Occasionally the biggest one is in Aberdeen in January the eighteenth, 32 so soon before the act.

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There's a dog digging outside the grounds of a new anatomy.

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School finds fragments of bones, and people break in looking for bodies, and they find them, and the police try to break it up, but they make it worse.

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They try to say, Oh, just take those bodies away and the people don't want the bodies taken away.

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The people grab these half-dissected bodies and carry them around town, stirring up anger about this new anatomy school, and a crowd of what's described as 15,000 to 20,000 people then turn

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up at the anatomy school and burn it down So the anger was there.

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3 men get tried for this. They accept the lesser crime of rioting.

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But there's no charge of arson possible because no one could prove who the ringleaders were in all of us.

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So 3 rioters out of 15 or 20,000

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If you're carrying short distances just stick him in a basket, or you know, put them in a cloth whistle while you're doing it. it's common enough that mistakes are made.

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There's one anatomist who found his that in his Crete was a very fine ham, a large cheese, a basket of eggs, and a huge ball of yarn, and what had been expected was a corpse which

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is all well and good until you consider that some other gentleman, who was probably expecting a ham, some cheese, and some eggs in his basket, must have opened it up to find a corpse.

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Yeah. No good. You You could be too nonchalant.

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Alexander Lyons is arrested for walking up the back steps of Sheffield, musical with a corpse over his shoulder.

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Just casually like Oh, no, this is just my friend he's drunk So everything because that kind of thing could happen.

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Mistakes could happen in 1,823 there's a London man.

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He's walking along similarly with a bundle over his shoulder, and an arm is seen to fall out from it, and the the crowd kind of hustle him into the nearest watchhouse before anybody seems to notice or he has to tell them that

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he's a tailor and he's carrying a tailor's dummy with him?

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What should you do you think would be a list of, perhaps?

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So you tried to make these packages look inconspicuous, You, you know you put things in barrels and tea chests and rope handle with care on it.

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You claimed it was something like pickled herring, something that would smell bad, and therefore had a lot of sawdust in.

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Sometimes you try and squash them into a smaller space as you can.

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The cut. possibly the body in there, so why would anyone check

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Or you just carry it with you You know there's a 1 one body of a 12 year old.

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2 Blakes just carry it with them on the on the roof of a coach that's going that way.

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It can be risky eventually. People do sometimes notice these packages There's one in Newcastle where it misses one post, and then there isn't one on Sunday and by the next day this 6 foot long once a wide

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package is not in a good way, and is leaking a bit, and they start so they open it and find exactly what you would expect.

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They would find So yeah, I think things like that do happen.

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Most notorious case of a transportation problem happens in Liverpool, where there are 3 casks marked bitter salts, which are awaiting being sent to Edinburgh, and that their holes in it

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plugged with hay, and the the workers become a little suspicious.

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So they they call in their supervisor, and someone pulls out a bit of this, and of course the most horrible smell comes out, and he opens it, and each barrel contained 3 or 4 bodies.

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And they were just sitting there waiting to be shipped, and the trail of this, which was very easy to follow.

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They just went to the carto, who delivered them and said, Where did you pick them up from?

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Sold it back to a gentleman who had been renting out the seller of a boy school and claiming that it was being used for packing fish oil. at Yeah, this this guy were sending fish oil up to

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Edinburgh honest. So you're gonna want to protect yourself from all of this, and there's a range of different ways that people try to do that.

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Some people just keep the bodies with them until they're they're all magnitude oral.

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Then no one's gonna want them not fool-proof People can still try and nick them out.

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Your window that happens sometimes. you might lock them in a building like this one.

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This is the only green morthouse where each body gets put down, and then it gets rotated around a bit as a rope.

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That platform rotates right around by the time it's got back around to the start again.

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The chances are it's been there long enough to be of no interest to anyone at all.

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And then you vary it. Oh, which is kind of unpleasant plague.

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You might set up a watch tower, and there quite a few of these scattered.

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There are more in Scotland, Edinburgh seems to have drawn a lot of this thing in the Scotland. There's a lot more precautions, certainly, that survive.

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But of course there are lots more that don't you could have walls.

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You can have watchmen. when Balas tails is opened in Newcastle.

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They said that they built it deliberately. We wanted a place so defended by walls or other methods of security, and it should be next impossible for the robbers of the grave to accomplish their inhuman

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purposes so deliberately. high walls are being built at this date, and also deliberately.

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These watch houses with patrol men. you might also, or to get yourself a fancy coffin.

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So this is the bridgeman iron coffee, which is wrought iron.

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He has no hinges, no moving parts. As soon as the lid is put down there, eclipse which engage in it is impossible to reopen without an awful lot of force, and you will cover it with potentially cover it

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with silver foil, which will avoid it rusting. It will last a very long time.

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This is very unpopular with clergy, because they are reusing the graveyard ground all the time.

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They need the bodies to be able to decompose and this kind wouldn't, or very quickly in 1,819.

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Mrs. Gilbert of Hoban is put in one of these, and the vicar refuses to accept it.

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For that reason. in the end it is left on top of the tombstone.

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There is a broad over it, with one lot of people trying to bury it.

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And the vicar, saying, no no no we can't put that in here, and it remains on top of the tombstone for 3 months, while the vicar raises legal challenges about Why, you shouldn't have to

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bury a bridgeman iron coffin, which was rather defeat the object of getting it in the ground and safe out the way, though nobody actually wanted Mrs. Gilbert.

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Anyway. But there you go

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Rather cheaper than your full coffin is your janker you're coffin guard like go on on the right there.

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That hopefully will serve the same purpose for a lot less iron, or something like the coffin collar that you see on the left, which, of course, given the method of dying around the head and pulling out is going to make that very hard without smashing

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the coffin a lot further. You might also have another one round your feet.

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They're mostly ins Scotland but they did find one in St.

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James's in London just a couple of years ago and obviously there might be loads more that we just don't know about, because we haven't dig up the graves because generally we don't mort safe like this one again

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mostly in Scotland, but there are a few few other sounds invented in 1,816.

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We think some of them are reusable there's some iron frames that you padlock together.

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You only need to put the cost in it it for a couple of months, and then you can move the more safe to another spot where someone else needs. the protection.

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Others are permanent, and are set into the concrete.

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And yeah, that's that's another way that There are also parish more safe cages, which you can pay an annual subscription for the right to be one of the better bodies that is inside it at any one

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time. and you join the more safe society you can just do the whole thing in brick, and that or if you're feeling really paranoid, why not invest in a coffin gun or cemetery gun now?

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Some of this is myth. But there clearly were some people who tried this kind of thing.

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There are reports in the papers of setting up percussion capers of gunpowder traps that would go in the coffin with you.

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It wouldn't last very long before it got too damp. but then, by then you bodies of no interest anywhere.

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There are some of these symmetry guns that survive, but there's very little evidence about when and where they were used.

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It seems they were attached to a trip wire, so if you stumbled over it in the middle of the night, it would then shoot you the the section of some martin in the fields.

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Went one step further, so that he had built the ultimate cemetery gun, in which he kind of jury rigged several gun barrels together, and on New Year's eve 1,817 the was heard and

00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:33.000
the Times reports this, a tremendous report heard across the graveyard, and all of these bullets come out at once from this sort of home, rigged gizmo, and When people.

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Arrived at the scene they found a body snatchers hat with one. a bullet hole in it, not 2, which rather implies the bullet was still lodged in the head of the the body's nature, and He was then carried

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a lot off by his gang and also found there were the shovels, spades, picks, and other resurrection paraphernalia.

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So it did do its job at least that once. and this was yes, or more spun a version of what you can see there.

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We know that sometimes there's at least one case where man traps are used.

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Similar reasons, people just walking around with guns in 1,830 in glass, and Evan there is a full gun battle between guards and sack them up men over some bodies.

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If you're poor Of course you can't have any of that, you might just settle for putting stones on top and shells on top of the grave, which would allow people to at least see whether someone has been been

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robbed and the other thing you could do was try and add layers of stones and straw into the infill which would make you would hope to make it more trouble than it was worse.

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Or if you're desperate add some quick line, because then the bodies are no use to anyone.

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No. Then finally, it goes. We come to the the alternative method You can't protect your body if it hasn't had time to die and be buried in the first place because someone's just murdered you for

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it there. Of course we come to the notorious cases and we come to the lovely book, and he so that's contemporary pictures of them taken from around the time the trial burks try Washington.

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So the chocolate right is jot, is Robert Knox, of Edinburgh, and in 1,828.

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These 2 young men appear at his door with a body that they said that it's been put up for sale by his relatives.

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So it doesn't happen on foot, but you know it does occasionally happen, and he chose to believe them, which is to say, to not ask any questions, although this was where he gave them £7 and 10 shillings, which is you

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know more than I in fact, this gentleman had just died in Hair's boarding house, and he owed her money.

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So hair. The wealth he owes me money the only thing he's got is himself.

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It would be perfectly reasonable to sell him to get some of that money back.

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That was the logic, initially, apparently, and when they found out that they could get that much money out of doing it.

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Well, they're going to start making their own corpses instead aren't they?

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So over the next 10 months, 16 times they turn up at Knox's door with a fresh corpse generally carried in a tea chest, and what they did was they looked at the boarding house, and they thought you know who is most unlikely to

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be missed, and then take those people get them very drunk and smother them.

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They're aren't any direct pictures I don't Think of them which the problem to them doing that. But this is a satirical print of the same era which uses the same method which obviously was well, known at

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the time to be able to do it in that way that we, one of them, sort of sits on them, and the other one puts a hand over their face.

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And yeah, they get £10 per per body for most of them, sometimes a bit less, depending on condition.

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The wife of the one and partner of the other also help

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Now Knox claimed that he didn't recognize or know any of these people, but I think there is not that larger city, and the shifting body was that of a lad known as poor daft Jamie.

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As you see on the right there, and Knox must have known who he was, because he did something he didn't normally do, which was cut the face off before giving him to the students cause he is a well-known beggar and

00:36:47.000 --> 00:37:01.000
the student still recognized him. They also looked at each other and thought, Okay, we can't really deny the fact that we also recognized a couple of those prostitutes met those before notably Mary Patterson. at the bottom There he

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didn't get them to dissect Mary patterson he just embarked her, and then put her out for people to draw pictures of It's all a little bit creepy, and almost worse than just dissecting her because in

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that picture she looks fast asleep. doesn't she she's she's long dead.

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She's she's just been stuck in spirits in the meantime.

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There's a skipping rhyme from the era up the close and down the stair in the house with broken hair books, the books your hairs, the thief knocks the boy who buys the beef so on

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the back of this They're they're clearly getting too ambitious to obvious in what they're doing.

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A lot of people knew poor death, Jamie, and this is the result.

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Patterns, things, evidence here, jobs in book and says it was all books idea.

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And he was allowed he got immunity and we don't know where he went.

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He, just? there are rumors from several places around the country.

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Oh, he ended up in in Sundland or he ended up in this other place, but nobody's come up with good evidence.

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He's not going to keep his original knight and is he

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So how would you ever know Burke? Meanwhile, his hand in front of about 25,000 people, who were all shouting,

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Book hair. they because they want hair to be dead as well.

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And at this point, but is a word meaning smother and kill.

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So we say, Okay, you're gonna book book but can you bookcare as well.

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Yeah. it's you can see you know people packed into the windows, and so on, and apparently that's That's a very good representation of that particular bit of Edinburgh which makes you think that the rest

00:38:57.000 --> 00:39:01.000
is probably quite accurate as well

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On the back of this that is his skeleton.

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The person who has provided so many for the dissectionists of course, is absolutely legally in exactly the correct place to be sent for dissection, because he's a murderer, and that's what they do with

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murderers, and his skin is tanned and turned into this little book.

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It's it's rumored that charles Dickens had another piece that he used as a bookmark. There was a hard and debate at the time as to whether knocks should also be punished he wasn't and

00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:43.000
the public mood generally thought he should have been they they said.

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You know some of these corpses were fresh there was still blood oozing out of them.

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This clearly. hadn't been taken from the ground in any way he should have known they paraded an effigy of him around town.

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And then and it and tore it to pieces this is a multiplicant to the real thing.

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So they're going to do it to the effigy instead

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Even after that that is not enough for government to legislate.

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They actually try There's a bit of a movement that may be paupers should go straight to dissection, but it fails at the House of Lords because the House of Lords say even the poor have a right to a decent

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funeral, and another couple of years were all over. and then, of course, if it happens in London, then Parliament is going to take notice.

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Edinburgh is a long way away they didn't mind that much happens in London and big care.

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So this is John. Bishop Thomas Williams and James May, who killed at least 2 people for sale to anatomists, and the witnesses said they they carried their victims on a cart in a wooden box with one of

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their wives walking next to it, holding a bound box to make it appear that they were an ordinary family.

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Just the moving house they are discovered when more persons does decide there are limits to what he's willing to put up with.

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He's probably read all about Knox so this is a surgery called Richard Partridge, who Bishop Bit brings this body to him.

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The body is later called nicknamed the Italian boy.

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Nobody's quite sure what movie is and he he looks at this body and says, you know that's that's never been in the ground.

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It's got a club on his forehead he says he says, oh, well,

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You guys just wait outside because I need to go in and get change for a fifty-pound note.

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So if you just wait, then i'll be with you as soon as I can rustle up the change, and of course he goes in, tells his superior, who immediately nips out round the back and gets the police, and they are captured

00:41:48.000 --> 00:41:55.000
in front of the house with this body, and that leads to these trial documents.

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And it is thought that this is this this poor Italian boy. There's a big scandal going on at the time about there being a lot of young Italian beggars on the streets.

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Who are kind of fading like gangs and They don't have a lot of same what goes on.

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They're all under the control of their padrones this trial. the young Charles Dickens was a cub reporter on it at the trial he gets into every story at this era.

00:42:26.000 --> 00:42:38.000
If you possibly can. So yes, this lab would sit with some white mice in a cage and try and beg money.

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2 of the 3 you hanged in in 1,831 apparently the hanging.

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Somebody shouts, You should have been hanged years ago! which kind of some of the public knew what was going on.

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It had been happening for a long time, and the third was transported to Australia, but died on the way.

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One of them, the John John Bishop, was described as one of the best specimens at the Royal College of Surgeon had ever dissected.

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He was a good fit, fit person. Following that, they try again in Parliament and a new act.

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The Anatomy Act is written in 1,832, which is a little bit more subtle.

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It's still basically saying we'll we'll have the bodies of all kinds, please, but it's it's written in slightly subtler terms.

00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:34.000
It says things like Well, there are safeguards if you don't want it to happen.

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You can write it down that You don't want it to happen because, of course, the people were talking about world completely literate, and that's going to work very well.

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But, one of the main reasons this was passed was because they thought it would get rid of the need for anyone having to deal with the resurrectionists. and especially the need for people like Bishop may and Williams although there.

00:43:58.000 --> 00:44:04.000
are a few resurrectionists in business until the 1,800 fortys in this country.

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It it nose dives after that curiously the American golden age of grave digging is actually another generation or 2 further along, and he's all tied up with race as well, because it's about taking bodies from

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the negro graveyards, but that's a whole other story.

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So whiz through that in order to finish with a few minutes to spare for questions.

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So I hope you have some goodness. Thank you very much for that, Joe.

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That was a little bit macabre wasn't that everybody but absolutely I have to say, and I particularly enjoyed hearing a bit more about Burke and Hare in Edinburgh. I should add about The exhibition you can

00:44:51.000 --> 00:45:06.000
do. Yes, if anyone is in the Edinburgh area, there is this exhibition on the National Museum, Scotland, which is on till the end of October. I haven't been yet but It looks like It's going to be

00:45:06.000 --> 00:45:21.000
really good, and it has at it that skeleton and little pocketbook that you've just seen along with lots of other things about the history of anatomy and things people haven't haven't gone away with over the

00:45:21.000 --> 00:45:32.000
years while I remember. Right we've got quite a few questions, Joe. I'm just gonna launch straight and no let's where should we start?

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No, I think we'll start at the top actually because it sounds like the best place to start

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Sorry about this folks right from Miranda, and you talked about kind of near the start start about, you know, bodies being unusable after a period of time.

00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:59.000
How fresh did they have to be it's a tipping point!

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I see where it depends on the temperature. like I say this is why you don't do it in summer.

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If the ground is frozen, then then you might have you know a couple of weeks. if it's a very hot sunny day, you might have a couple of days window where possible they would actually go within I think people said that after 3 days

00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:29.000
it was a lot less likely, and after a week, unless it was frozen, you were probably safe.

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Alright. Okay, interesting. that answer your question Miranda similarly, we'll just might lead in as well James saying in a tail to cities snatchers worked at night and presumably that's when the old did it

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Yes, yes, if you look at Naples's diary he often describes, you know, we met in the pub in the evening, and then went out to do our work.

00:46:53.000 --> 00:46:56.000
You do wonder what that these people's families thought They were up to sometimes.

00:46:56.000 --> 00:47:03.000
Oh, yes, I have. I have a night shift job, darling, just not in the summer.

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Hmm! So some of them, some of them, sneakily got jobs as watchmen over corpses, because being a watchman is not a job.

00:47:11.000 --> 00:47:16.000
Many people want so you can say Oh, yes, i'll guard your corpse for you.

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No problem. Pay pay me to stand over it for the first 3 days, and then, of course, when nobody's watching you, just i'll steal it.

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Yeah. okay. I hope that answers your question, Gene question from Karen and Andrew about this idea of bodies.

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But being transported quite long distances London to Edinburgh.

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I over the cent. and how did they actually keep them fresh, or or they didn't didn't they Well, you you either pack them in something absorbent like straw or you put them in a barrel of oil of some

00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:58.000
description, or you can even go down in the Nelson where you can put them in a barrel of spirits.

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But that's quite expensive. So you're only going to do that if you've got a body that's worth quite a lot.

00:48:03.000 --> 00:48:09.000
But yeah, more commonly, you just packed and with straw and with

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Yeah. and and it's the best absorbent and percentage things you can think of put them in a box and put them on a royal mail coach.

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So, which are known to be quite fast, and you know it will be maybe 2 days up, 3 days up to Edinburgh, and that is within your window of possibility again.

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Not all of the cases of ones that are found in Newcastle because there's there's a pub in Newcastle That's a kind of stopping off point for the royal male coaches on the way and

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It binds, I think, at the news for over a fairly small period of time, and all of them in winter.

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Right. And now i've got a question from Stewart you had to list near the start of the lecture, which was basically the kind of shopping lists that they had in this one particular night.

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And all the bodies that they got there was a name mentioned.

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A woman, Miss Kay I don't think we do I it's it's one that I have pondered myself.

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I'm gonna go back and look at the most yeah pay Hollis.

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$11 are the order of Miss K. usual Doesn't say yes, I I don't think anything is known about her.

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Women are really generally not involved in this kind of thing, except, as I say, within gangs, as distractions, and the people who talk to the widow terribly, sympathetically, and so on.

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But that rather implies that there's a woman involved in the surgical practice.

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Now, at this date it is not illegal for a woman to be a surgeon.

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It's just getting increasingly difficult for them to get qualifications. But if you, if you'll say that the daughter of a surgeon, he has been brought up amongst surgeoning you could call yourself legally a

00:50:07.000 --> 00:50:12.000
surgeon and do the job, and no one can stop him.

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Until 1854. You can legally call yourself a doctor or a surgeon, with no particular qualifications at all.

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It's all right. them but in the case Miss kay i'm afraid I don't know. right Okay, and a question of the room.

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Diana, where the skeletons being sold kind of almost as a byproduct.

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Of the dissected bodies against what once they've done that move.

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Yeah, I mean sometimes the process of dissection is going to damage your skeleton too much.

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If you know, depending weak beats of it, you wanting to look at on that particular occasion.

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But if the particular dissection you're doing ends up without doing any damage to the bones, then yes, absolutely.

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You would then give that over to some

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So this is a replica of a trade card.

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Somebody who is selling these skeletons. and actually says you know, of both both sexes and good color accurately articulated, and must have been coming from somewhere.

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So. yeah, there must be some kind of deal going on because the skeleton isn't of much used to the surgeon once they've done a few.

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You know, learn how to cut an arm off, or whatever there are some that have been found around.

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What's the work house houses where the bodies are not all where they should be, and some of the bodies have sort of several experimental cut marks in them.

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Like somebody's learning how to saw through bone but you don't need that niece .

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Interesting. Okay. Question from Sue could put her.

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People sailed their body to the resurrectionists before they died.

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Yes, they very rarely do because it is considered, would be considered for most people to be very shameful.

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Having a decent funeral is very, very important to almost everybody.

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Even very poorest people spend money they don't have putting it into it into a savings fund in order to get a decent funeral, which is part of the way.

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Respectability works. But it does happen there is a satirical poem from this era, or about a chapel that sold his body to, because he knows he's dying.

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He sold his body to 10 different dissectionists. 10 different surgeons, and they're all fighting over him because they realize what he dies.

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They realize that they can't all have him and they end up getting him in bits and taking bits. each. There is

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There's a chat in newcastle who We know sold his body, and he is a deformed man.

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He's a hunched back and he says because he spent his life making surgical implements.

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He had made his living from them, and if they could you know he.

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He then sells himself. What he does is say, Okay, you dissect me, and then enough money comes back to my family to give the bits that are left a decent funeral.

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One way of doing it mutually beneficial but it's not common, because there is this belief.

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It's not orthodox catholic church dogma by this point. but there is still a strong belief amongst the poor that on the day last Judgment, when you raise up you need all your bits to be there or i'll

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still be problem right? Okay? No. Another question just to me. What about the belief that on the final day judgment corpses would be released from their grades?

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If your body had been dissected, or stolen you could not be judged. And thus your chances are going to happen.

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We're? No, Yeah, that's i'm talking about that.

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This is why I said one of the reasons on top of demand why dissection? and Gibbon are so set up in the 1,700 fiftys as a punishment because it's worse than just being

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murdered. And what can you do to someone? to make the more phrase than they would be of just being executed?

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You execute them, and you mess with their body and that's worse a part of that to do with other things.

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But a big aspect of that is because people might well believe even though the Church says this isn't true anymore. you might well believe that it means that your your body won't be brought up properly.

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There's a a satirical cartoon of from the time of a bunch of people getting up in a pauper graveyard after the last, where, after the last trumpet sounds all kind of saying Well, this isn't my ankle has anyone

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got my hand because they've been put together. in the wrong graves, and all kind of mixed up

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Therefore, on the day of last judgment they can't find all their pieces, all. and there are people who genuinely believe that that would be an issue.

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Right question from Andrew. i've got quite a lot questions here.

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Presumably and hopefully not covered this already, but presumably the term Burke, meaning to kill a dish, was adopted after bax antics were revealed.

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It wasn't just a goodly coincidence nominative determinant.

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No, no, it comes afterwards. it's a rare example of a person's name being turned into an into a verb.

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Hmm! A lot of words named after people, but the vast majority of them are nouns.

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Book is is what he did so it's a Verb: Yeah.

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Well, there you go, Andrew. Okay. no A question from another Andrew.

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Is the time the graveyard shift connected to grave Robin.

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Don't but believe so I can't tell you off the top of my head.

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But I don't I don't think so i've never seen it kind of written in the same in the same place.

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I think it's just doing shifts that are quiet as the grave doc, is the grave.

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A question for man, and so obviously resurrection the resurrection men, would I blood.

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So how? How did the surgeons learn to dissect?

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After that, what happens? What happened next? Okay, I mean after that it isn't that dissectioned that the rosary projectionists are outlawed as that they become unnecessary because with the anatomy act there are easier

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ways of getting hold of bodies. The Anatomy Act says that any any person that dies and is unclaimed it within 48 h becomes the property of the surgeons.

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Now this mostly applies to people in workhouses you don't have any relatives.

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No, he turns up to say, we will take this person away and bury them.

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But it could just apply to people from clown dead on the street.

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If nobody claims you within 48 h then you belong to the resurrectionists and that there are right. It's about that. There are, you know, a lot of poor people who don't like that especially since it coincides with the first

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cholera outbreak. So a lot of people are not in a position to go collecting bodies.

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So there are riots across the country and sort of fuss when Oh, but you've only waited 40 h, and that was our grandma, and you've taken them illegally, and things like that but in general it make

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means that there are sufficient corpses to go round to, unless the anatomists want something very specific.

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So that person has an interesting medical complaint. I want to dissect them.

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Then there's not really any money in it anymore right Okay, So got a few questions here.

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So Okay, we've done that one and Yes, and You're talking about the surgeons hall. Museum and Edinburgh.

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I can highly recommend it. Yes, the the book can. The skeleton of Buck are usually housed there.

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I actually went there last year, and had a good look at own, not for the squeamish.

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I have to say that some is well worth a look if you're interested.

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Right? Okay. But some questions from Jennifer.

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Did some bodies have a premium price, and was there a demand at all for children and babies?

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There isn't particular interest in children, and babies again unless they have some other particularly interesting quality.

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Bear in mind that this is an era where you know the number of people that die below the 80.

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5, anyway, is quite staggering so it's easier to get over the body of a four-year-old.

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As it happens, there are premiums on unusual specimens.

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The body of was his name, Charles Burn, the the Irish giant, who is 7 foot tall or so.

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His his family and friends go to great lengths to try and keep him away from the dissectionists, because they know that he is worth a lot of money.

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They attempt to take him out and dump him at sea to avoid it.

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And Unfortunately, the people along the way braver sexton and he doesn't that doesn't happen and again his body was on display.

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His dissected and his skeleton L on display.

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Until really quite recently. So something like that there is enough money available. Yeah, that was willing.

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And John Hunton. I managed to not mention throughout the whole of this, despite them being some spiders in the middle of the whole web of anatomy.

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At this era, wanted his skeleton for their collection, and wanted to dissect him so.

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Yes, anything really unusual like that and those extra money team.

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Yeah, okay, we've got bits here. for more questions. So I think we'll try and get through them all and Joe. if that's okay and okay with everybody else. after that.

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Then we're just yeah again and then then we're done.

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Okay, So from Elizabeth she recently took her old medical student skeleton to the Oxford Andatom School.

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Apparently it came from India. we're apparently dead bodies we're fished out of the ganges.

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Does this still happen. I don't know if that's something that you would know.

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I think generally they don't use real ones anymore in lenses like that.

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They you can make very good fakes these days. so I think there isn't really the need for it.

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Hmm. Okay. from Sylvia. What did the doctors do?

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The corpses after they had been studied and dissected.

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Well, suppose we saw that pale of bones under the house didn't I bury them sometimes?

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Yeah, if there's enough bits, then you can sell a bits to someone, put them in your little glass jars for your museum.

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If you found some particularly nice bits and bury what's left where you hope no one will find it.

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Okay. Now, this is actually a an interesting question. actually, in a quite an important one.

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Actually, and from Sue. what was the risk of disease for the robbers?

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Hi. Well, I think this is one of the reasons why you taught why you are part of the funeral procession, and you you listen to the the grieving relatives, and you find out whether or not that person seems to have died of an

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infectious disease. You don't go digging them up if you think they do a smallpox which is going to reduce the risk.

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Someone graves were so overflowing in urban areas at this point, anyway, that just just walking through them, we were quite likely to catch something, so to that extent it would just be an occupational risk this is still an area where

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the are pulling teeth and putting them straight into other humans, and the teeth can cause disease.

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If you end up with a as a civilis can survive inside a tooth, and then get put into another person's mouth.

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But yeah, you would tend to try and take the bodies of people who are died from things that would contagious if you had the choice.

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Yeah, okay, right? One more question, and then and then We'll we'll start to wrap things up everybody and from David's.

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Why would they call the resurrectionists, when the body is still dead? That's a good point, isn't it.

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It's just one of those things the body is still dead but it is being raised up.

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They bring them up back up into the living world, I suppose, even though they are still dead.

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And yeah there's never any thought that there's any life left in them.

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It's just now. Do you know what else would you call them just one of those slang things that happens Okay, Well, I think that's us for tonight.
 

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Bob. Okay, Thank you. Good evening. Everyone.

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Last time I was on it was, Bring that book as a story.

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Wojtek the bear was a true story which adapted into a graphic novel with my wife, and it seemed to go down very well, so I thought i'll tell you a few more animal stories over the past 5

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6, 7 years I've ended up doing not one but 3 books based on true stories about animals of war, one of which was this: one Gustav Debris hold that up a bit higher. Bob I don't think we could

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quite see that and hold it in front of you our back.

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Get items is a exciting that which is like everybody is. We'll make sure you've got the names of those books afterwards alongside the recording right?

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So. Yes, this is true story about a pigeon on d-day, and it was commissioned by the d-day Story Museum reports, and I was working on that in 2,019.

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And there was even, I think. Can you see that they even just a cuddly to to go with the book?

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So it was a book for children, that one, and going slightly further back was another book.

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Did about a cat that was found by a soldier from the Manchester regiment on the very first day of the battle of the Somme.

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And as it's international cat week we all cat day was it the other day we thought we'd make cats the headline act today.

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So we're not third with you I will go into screen share

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So okay. So that was the book I talked about last time the story of we checked about these 2 have done subsequently.

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I thought, that started with just a general look at how animals have been involved.

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It was down the center. it's going all the way back if you go to Hyde Park today.

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There is a monument in one corner of the park to animals who have served and died in the 2 world wars.

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Large numbers of them, and the seals so there's camels and all sorts of things.

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Lamas, I think even in there. so I suppose the animal we most associate with war is, has always been the horse going back way back into antiquity, into the times of all the way back to ancient Egypt, where the battle of

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Kadesh. The Egyptians used cause this to draw their chariots.

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Coming forward a bit further. You know the battle of the Hastings, which was one by the Norman cavalry.

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Defeating the Saxons at the battle of hastings and I suppose that's always been one of the issues about horses.

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Is this? it's infantry against cavalry and that was always dominated.

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Warfare which one is that has the more impact on the battlefield.

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Cavalry tend is always to be rather more glamorous looking.

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You know the regiments or whatever. but the infantry could often come out on top more often than not.

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So the battle of Cressy, the English Bowman defeated the French Knights and the cat.

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Their charges and that I suppose it's been the issue coming forward.

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I mean i've got picture of oliver Cromwell here, with his iron side to played a key role in the defeat of the King in the left, in the battles of Master Moore and Nasby and so

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forth It's always been accepted the infantry if they are well drilled, and can keep their formation can always repel cavalry.

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Coverry could seldom win battles on their own.

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But nevertheless, there have been ages where the cavalry have played a key role in in in in this, even a victory, and I suppose the napoleonic wars were the last really of the period where

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cavalry challenges could turn. a battle could actually make a difference on the battlefield.

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No, that the Royal Scott's Grays achieved anything like that of the battle of Waterloo.

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They managed to overcome some French artillery, and then almost entirely wiped out by a countercharge by the French cavalry.

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But I think there was a realization that infantry, increasingly with a more important element of any army, and the proportion of infantry to cavalry, the tends to sort of move more in effect favor of

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infantry coming forward a little bit nearer to the back.

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Say the charge at Bala Clava. The charge of the Light Brigade just shows how increasingly cavalry were playing.

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A more peripheral role in the battle, their role increasingly one of reconnoitering.

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And so for scouting

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So coming back to the napoleonic world i've always been fascinated by this portrait.

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By Jacques livid, showing the Napoleon crossing the same, burnt some Bernoulli past.

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Napoleon had recently come back from Egypt.

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His failed campaign there the time when France was losing a lot of the Territories that they've blown during the Revolutionary

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He leads a coup to become first console, and it immediately goes to war to try to restore some of the territories that have been lost in Northern.

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Italy, and he does this by crossing the outs to come down behind the Austrian armies.

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And ultimately wins the battle of Marango and restore some French control of Northern Italy.

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So Jack Louie Devi painted this fine acquaintance, questioning portrait of him, apparently crossing the Alps.

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I always found it interesting that a laser painter Paul della Rosh, who was very much a disciple of Jacqueline David, and if you're not familiar with him as an artist, if you've

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been to the National Gallery. There's that painting of the execution of Lady Jane Grey that is Della Rosh and Della Rosh takes a slightly different approach.

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To Napoleon. He shows him instead, mounted on a mule, which is what he would have been to cross.

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See out something That Delaware has shown some cavalry behind. But in fact, the French army couldn't take horses.

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They had to drag their cannons, and no none of the cavalry could come. and so it's a it's a rather different, more truthful portrait, and it shows how horses are not the only equines

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that have served in war and mules had an importance out of all significance in things like that.

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The Peninsula one in particular. So if we come into the twentieth century yes, you still had the occasional cavalry charge in the early days of the first World War.

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But this soon changed as trench welfare, and very much a stalemate changed. The battlefield, and cavalry were constantly just in reserve for this great breakthrough that would occur but never did until 21,009

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118, and even then cavalry played only a minor role.

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And so suppose it's, horses still had an incredible role to play, as she could see. the British army alone used well over a 1 million horses as well, are other acquaint animals.

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Mules and donkeys all sorts it's interesting.

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That picture on the left. There you can see some motorized transport in the in the background, but it's the mules struggling through them.

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The the the mud of passion down. so horses retained an incredible importance in the world.

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Wars, even though we were moving into a mechanized day, and of course, being British, we have sympathized with these these poor animals.

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The Blue Cross at the been set up in 1,900, and really came into its own during the war.

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Where, you see, there are various appeals to save animals.

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Horses in particular, suffered in the war i'm not sure about the countries, but quite so dedicated to the care of their animals.

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So as we come towards the Second World war mechanization has become ever greater, and I finally, it is old to that.

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The army that we consider the who created mechanized warfare the German Vermont actually largely use horses they just simply couldn't equip all their infantry divisions with motorized

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vehicles, and so they They remained committed to using horses.

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The Panzer divisions, which were fully motorized, accounted for only maybe 25% of the total wemark.

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So the information divisions relied heavily on losses, and you can see throughout the war, even rising up to 1 point, 1 million total of 2 point, 7 5 million horses.

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Even in the final stages, I mean, you can see how the German army must have struggled fighting against the the the allied powers that were by now entirely recognized.

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Their infantry divisions were often left struggling

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So the 2 world was also increasing use of other animals in the first world.

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Why, certainly. yeah, that was the camel call came to be in fighting in Egypt and Palestine against the text.

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I don't know how successful they were and dogs have always had a role in war.

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You could have found this. This is a Belgian machine gun team, and their machine guns will hold a lot by dogs

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And dogs. We used to carry messages let's see a brave dog.

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There pounding back, deliver a message to bring down our artillery.

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They are also used to find wounded soldiers and you can See, they're carry medical aid and .

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We won't even we're in a gas mask so they had multiple roles, huge numbers of dogs with work brought into the army slightly darker use of dogs by the red army.

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They would use dogs. You could see the dog on the left, so they the dog, would be carrying a a amount of explosives, and that lever on the top.

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They were trained to run underneath tanks, and the moment the the lever was knocked down the dog would blow up and hopefully blow the tang up

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And this they use quite a lot of dogs to do this training them up.

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Okay, I don't think I couldn't see the British army ever doing anything like this?

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It's something curiously Russian about this these poor dogs

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And a cool pigeon. Now pigeons really came into their own.

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In in both world wars, particularly the first World war. basically carry a pigeons message.

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Messenger pigeons that could be trained to bring that messages so units front will have pigeons with them.

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That would be brought later. it would release them. They fly back to their base, and then messages could be telephoned on.

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From there. I never even used to do a real photography There's a fine pigeon there with his camera popl up with that one over the thoughts trying to get a decent phone photographs, but they were used

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and of course, as pigeons became more more used, much more widespread.

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It meant the opposition will increasingly start to use falcons and hawks to bring them down.

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So you've got this curious aerial warfare going on quite separate to planes, and so forth. Both sides tries to bring down the other sides.

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Pigeons. how you tell which is a friend or or a foe pigeon I don't know.

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So. Yes, this is how I came to produce this particular. As I say, this was the commissioned by the

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The d-day Story Museum in Portsmouth.

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Very, very fine museum. I was very impressed by it when I got finally to visit it.

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I think it. it compares very well to the d-day museums you find dotted all over Normandy.

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I thought it was far better the way the story it told so it's a children's book.

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So the Wide Age range and the words were written by a poet and writer steep to say, working with a number of local children.

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So it's a curious poem that runs through the story, and I I was given sort of can't blanche to illustrate the poem.

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I feel best so. Gustav was one of a quarter of 1 million pigeons in listed by Britain in World War 2.

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In his case. he went into the Raf. he was on raf Pigeon done the.

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They gave him Raf roundles, and you can see I mean, this is our created the same where he comes into the Raf.

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And so on to his. His leg is a little name tag and a little canister.

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I would have that for the duration of the war, and in that kind of St. little messages could be could be placed, and he saw quite a bit of active service in 1,943.

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He was actually parachuted into Belgium, where he was then used by Belgium resistance.

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I don't know how they coordinated this but yeah, you see his little parachute bringing him down, and he brought back messages from it.

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Belgian resistance to London, says Quo, quite extensively used, I mean, you know.

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Suppose a lot safer. Again the Germans were aware that this was going on, and they are corks, and so forth stationed, and they would be looking out for pigeons crossing, trying attempting to cross the Channel very really came into his own was on d-day. He was allocated to a

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royalist journalist not to give Taylor and so he was on board one of the ships that form part of the Armada, crossing over 2 to France.

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The There was a radio throughout, and in particular with the press they couldn't be sort of telephone in or sending messages back to London.

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And so this is where they begin. carrier pigeons and they're there quite a few.

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They about 20, I think, in total to to send messages back, and the first one to be released.

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Once. the press has been told that the the landings have begun and the initial land in seem to be okay.

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And then they said anything about the problems on Omaha Beach necessarily.

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But So Montcue Taylor took out good stuff and put a message inside.

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Yes, Dede has begun. We have landed troops in Northern France.

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He was then released, and he made his way back to his home. Raf.

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On the island, which is no far from Portsmouth, just outside Portsmouth, and Harry F.

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Base various sort of fighters, typhones, and spitfires are taken off from sort of round or around the clock.

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So he did the 150 miles in just 5 h and 16 min, and it's it's sort of you know.

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You have to recall. I mean pigeons, I mean, I get lots of wood pigeons in my garden, and they just need to be fat things waddling around.

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But they have an incredible endurance to get a fly huge distances. i'm sorry he brought word back and within by the evening the message was in the newspapers the evening newspapers

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So as a result they decided to present him, and another pitching called Paddy, who had also been released with the Dick in medal.

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This had come into being in 1943 it was a medal specifically for animals who had served in the war, and you could.

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There's this is a still from a piece of film showing the award ceremony, where Mrs.

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Alexander worked for the First Lord of the Admiralty, presented the pigeons with their medals.

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I can recommend this. I mean, you can Google if you Google good stuff to pigeon you, this will come up.

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You know, recommend it. it's like something out of monty python.

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It is so bizarre, and you can see on the left, is it was Sergeant Harry Hol season.

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You got Corporal Stripes on there. But he was a Gustav minder.

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Some confusion over what happened to to Gustav.

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Eventually there was one story that he was troubled on and died, but I didn't know if that was true. that seems to be some to bad date.

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Debate over that. So this thing the the dickin medal yeah. it's been warded retrospectively.

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It was decided to reward it to an animal from the First World War, just to mark that.

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And so this horse was the one given that i'm not quite sure what he did.

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But yeah, so it's it's been awarded ever since, to various animals

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It brings us to our main act. Cats which you might not think would be animals.

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You would associate with war. But I suppose in particular, in the First World War they came into their own here, actually, half a 1 million cats were conscripted it just into the British army alone, and sent out to the trenches

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to try to keep down vice and rats, which, obviously with static warfare and been in the trenches, were a constant plague.

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So cats, and to some extent dogs as Well, were also used extensively to try and keep the rodents at bay.

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And there's one such cat looking very preamed and yeah sorry sure of himself.

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I'm i'm would imagine the am that they were not just seen as working animals.

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That the soldiers would have that's quite a lot of affection for these these creatures that were living with next one.

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Certainly is being stroked and looked after, and certainly cats turn up in.

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Gar garris love, Hassex, the good soldier Spike, where at 1 point he starts talking about how the the Austro-hungarian army also reintroduced the rank of cat into the into the army, and

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like himself, has some some dealings with cats during the book. So i'm just gonna stop the share for a second

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Yeah, just talk about how this particular book some cat came into being.

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It goes back I I. Several years earlier I had been traveling in France, and I was in the town of Alva.

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See this, but It's disappearing but it's a it's a German helmet, which I found in a shop in the town of Albert Albert is by the song and It must have been the most fault over

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town in France. It changed down several times across the war before eventually being captured.

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Recaptured in 1980 by by the British, actually Australians at recaptured.

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It, and I thought this helmet and I was I wanted to try and do a story based around it, and I just just put it one side.

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I thought, Yeah, it'd be nice try and use that as a sort of inspiration for a story to illustrate, and couple years went by, and as we approached 2,014, I was became aware that a lot of primary schools in

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particular, were getting very interested in the centenary of the First World War.

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So with a friend. Andy, Messer, we decided to put together an activity day.

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Just so really bring home what the First World War was all about.

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And so yeah, we acquired uniforms. I became the officer.

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He was my sergeant Major, and we used to go into primary schools and all over the place.

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Actually and recruit the children into a Powers battalion.

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We do all sorts of training with them. and then we used to build this trench out of boxes and all sorts of things with fo barb wire and get them to go over the top basically

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But across the dead we needed to sort of vary it the bit, and I decided to try to tell them a story.

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While I was giving some extra research on the battle, of the song i'd come across this story about a kitten that was found by a Soldier in the Museum regiment, So will that be ideal that little will interest the

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children. And so I basically did a load of sketches to Service Powerpoint as a background to the story, and it went down very well.

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It was about 1015 min story we do just before lunchtime, and the children seem to really like it.

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About this the story about this kitten. So it was based on true story.

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Based on the account by Paddy kennedy and soldier in the Manchester regiment, and the only thing I changed was the name of the cat, which wasn't really appropriate.

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It was a black capped kitten that he found and had a name begin with end.

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So I decided to change that, and instead we made our cap.

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The ginger, Tom, and he was going to be called Tommy.

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Aside from that, the story of what Patty Kennedy went through with this kitten that became a cat grew up to be a cat is truthful. But I decided to take the story backwards.

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How did this kitten end up in the German frontline trenches?

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And so had to invent this tree story of it German soldier that finds him.

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So that's the background to it. It It was never published It's never been published.

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This book I just printed a load of copies and I used to just leave a copy with the school with when we were in a particular school, so it's not a book that's been published, and the drawer the the illustrations are quite rough

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and ready. They are really a lot. Most of them is just penciled, or I did very quickly.

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So

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It is so. Yeah, it was created round about 2,015.

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I think this 2,014

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And I will. Yeah, just very briefly tell you the story.

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So the story starts. We see a German regiment moving towards the front line.

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Adjacent to the the song area now, the Germans at this point. We're now 2 years into the war.

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It's been a war of stalemates since the autumn of 1,914, and the Germans are aware that the British army has been building up in strength in northern the northern part of the front line

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in France and Belgium, and that a major offensive is about is due.

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So they were bringing in reserves. The Germans themselves had largely decided to concentrate their efforts at trying to win the war in the East, and so they were fighting much more of a defensive war on the western front.

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Apart from the battle of done so as part of this unit moving up to the front, I decided to create this character Auto, who made the carpenter, and he came from Silesia and like all Germans Germany young man

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did his national service, and so, when the war broke out, he was recorded to his regiment the 20 Third Infantry Regiment,

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Shortly after the outbreak of war, Now this then became part of the German twelfth Division, and was serving.

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It's an actual unit serving on the southernmost part of where the British offensive on the song was going to be launched. I'm.

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Not sort of quite reasonable. the ability to somewhere in the French village, this, or basically sleeping in the barn and at the back of the barn he suddenly finds, comes across the cat that's just had a litter of kittens

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and he decides to adopt one so we've seen how cats we could see in is quite useful at the front line.

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So if they're going to be going into the frontline trenches, why don't they take their own cat with them?

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And so they adopt this kitten, and he goes into the front line.

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But he is still just a kitten and you could maybe see that he's some kind of company, mascot as well a unit mascot.

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Yeah, So for the few weeks while they're there before the offensive starts.

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They live a fairly normal life and there's a sort of fairly typical German trench that German trends were much more sophisticated than the British and French trenches.

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They decided that we're on the defensive and so they went to great lengths to make them as strong as possible.

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Something the British weren't aware of so certainly when the British begin with this enormous bomb bombardment nearly over a week before the actual attack, and the Germans head towards their bunkers.

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Now these bunkers, as I say, the British weren't aware of how deep the Germans have built these bunkers, and it also built, and with reinforced concrete, the British are pounding away with their

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artillery for day upon day thinking. Oh, we'd have blown the German frontline to bits. in fact, they had comparatively little impact.

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Most of these German bunkers survived in time. A few finally gave out.

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Mostly they they survived, Nevertheless, it probably was quite a traumatic time spent under this incredible bombardment that was coming down where they couldn't really get out very easily to go and get fresh provisions, and then finally on the

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first of July. The bombardment ends and the Germans now know that the British are going to be coming.

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They're going to be leaving their trenches to come into the attack.

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And so the Germans, and immediately head up to their trenches.

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And so our little kitten is named rudy in my story.

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It's just left behind to nuttle down in this Bunker and the gentleman's head up into what's left of their trenches, which would have been battered to pieces and take up their position and

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make it immediately see the British infantry advancing towards them.

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So this is where my story now switches to become a real real story.

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I mean it's the story of paddy Kennedy, essentially born, 1,890.

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3 his father. They were an Irish family. His father had served in the role in skill in fusel ears, and when he finished service there, the family which moved around quite a lot because they were in barracks that settled in

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Manchester, and he got a clerical Officer's job and a cotton exporter in Manchester.

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Now he He seems about a little bit of a dalliance with the Ira traveling back to Ireland to see from members of his family.

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He seems to have got involved in sort of Republican politics a bit.

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But back in Manchester, when the war breaks out of his friends and colleagues in in these warehouses in Manchester, all flock to the recruiting stations and to to join what become

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the Manchester powers that's free but full 4 battalions were raised in total from the warehousement.

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These these powers were Italians, people for them, a common workplaces, and so forth.

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And they, as they are officially the eighteenth service. battalion, and in the integrated into the Manchester regiment, and become part of this British thirtieth division.

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And so Tidy Kennedy this period of time training.

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And eventually they transfer over to France to go into the front line.

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And so yeah, on the first of July the 20 sixth, 1,916 had Kennedy finds himself going over the top in one of the first waves to go into the attack.

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You the full of account of this he actually shouldn't have been there.

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He actually belonged. Well, he was with was a completely different battalion.

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His battalion was actually in reserve, but a number of them have been designated to bring up mortar shells to the front line to sort of help support the attack.

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So this party that we're bringing up these shells Suddenly one of these shells went off by mistake, and half the party were were killed out or wounded by by the explosion.

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Including the commanding officer. So Patty Kennedy now finds himself in a front-line trench which is rapidly filling up the troops on another unit.

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And here in the surviving mates thing but what do we do if we don't go over the top Now we're going to be assumed by the military police that we're deserted.

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So they decide what the better thing to do is to actually go over the top with the this other unit, and so that's what they did.

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He goes into the attack when he shouldn't have been there, and very soon he finds himself crossing no man's, lad.

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Now I don't know how much you know about the first one world but the overriding thing it the first day of the battle.

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The sum was an absolute total disaster. The darkest day imaginable in the British Army's history.

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And along most of this front line these units stepped out.

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Think in the German trenches have been a obliterated and there would be no opposition to be machine done down.

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And and units were basically, you know, decimated destroyed you know, before they even got anywhere.

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Sometimes they didn't even got beyond their own frontline trench. But Patty Kennedy wouldn't have been aware of this, but because actually, on his part of the front, the attack actually went very well.

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This particular car, the the thirteenth, call the commander there decided he didn't like a lot of the instructions that had been sent about just walking, and not waiting till the guns had finished.

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He had act. They had actually decided to send out troops quickly before the bombardment finished.

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When they did attack they would run they wouldn't just walk. So what happens is the thirtieth division actually has quite a bit success, and then very quickly overrun the German trenches.

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And so this is where I decide. I have to kill off Otto.

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My my German soldier the hand grenade does for him, and he and his helmet.

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Now there's some debate over where the germans had the the metal helmet at this stage.

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Certainly it's introduced around about now and replaced the the pickle harb that the the hat with the the smike on the top.

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But it's thought that the German units on the first day of battle.

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Some probably didn't have either they were wearing basically just that forage caps.

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But anyway, I decided I wanted to get my helmet is one way or the other.

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So Paddy Kennedy with a lot of these other British soldiers. They take possession of the German trenches and he's.

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Looking around, and suddenly he finds a dugout, one of these deep, deep dugouts.

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The British Army Didn't know anything about and you can imagine he peers down into this darkness, and you can think well what's going through his mind.

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Now all British soldiers are going to be aware could it be booby trapped.

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Oh, there's some Germans still down there that that haven't been dealt with yet, but British soldiers are also on the lookout for souvenirs.

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In particular, these pitle harps, these spiked hacks, that the Germans were in the first stages of the war.

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This was the ultimate trophy. If you go, come back with a pitle harb.

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But there might also be something like some snaps down there as well.

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So eventually his curiosity and desire to find the suitable souvenir overcomes any kind of fears he has, and leave anxious down, and in the darkness he has a sound.

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Let me out, and he looks around and you can see there's some kind of table, and he sees a bottle glimpse, and then he sees this little kitten moving around.

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So he grabs both with little kitten and this bottle, and makes his way back up to the surface.

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Define. Yes, he's got a kitten but he's also got a bottle of perfume, which is really useful for frontline soldiers, but they lock about with it. till the office comes along and says, well actually come on we should

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be kind of getting getting ready. So it's a counter-attack, as was so often the case with the British army in both world was any initial success.

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Usually went by the but, by the way, because the British army, the once they achieve something, would stop for a cup of tea rather than pressing, on which the Germans would inevitably do. and so.

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This opportunity really to have broken right through the gentleman lines was lost.

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They just dug in and waited, and the Germans so thank you very much, and soon brought up reinforcements, and were indeed counterattacking the British

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So there we are! paddy kennedy is with a unit that's not his own.

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He's now got a kitten she decides to keep with him feeding.

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It is first meal of bully beef, and so little Rudy that had started life in the German, I mean, was now part of the British army, and more over.

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The net was now facing counterattacks a little, little Tommy.

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Now gets shoved into a knapsack. Well, Patty Kennedy, I think for the first time, actually uses his rifle as a shot in anger.

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Eventually the unit t's in is taken out of the front line he's able to make his way back to where he's own unit is still held in reserve, together with little Tommy Anything's right well i've got to

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find a more of a home for him. So he takes him to the cooks and they say, Well, okay, yeah, we'll keep him here.

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He might be useful when he grows up keeping the mice, and so forth.

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Down away from the food, but he this bond is there he's still very much his little cat.

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But he identifies with the battle of The song drags on for several weeks. Paddy Kennedy's unit suffers a appallingly.

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In a later episode they suffer a huge numbers of casualties in one of the subsequent attacks.

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Whether his own is nearly wiped out, and by March 1719, 17.

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Paddy Kennedy is one of only 3 of his original company to be left still serving, whereas have been killed or taken prisoner or invalid it out of the army 3 out of probably 80 to 100 or so Tommy

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is now grown up into a into a proper cat, and the 3 of them get together sometime in March of 1,917, and they come to a decision.

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Well, particularly Paddy I think there's an air of fatalism. They they, they think Well, we're not gonna we're not gonna see Manchester.

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Well, we might go and believe and that's about it but we're not gonna survive this war.

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We eventually Something's gonna do for us and They're determined that some think should go back to Manchester, and so they decide that Tommy, we'll go to Manchester.

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One of them. rich lord has got some leave coming up and so that's basically what happens.

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Tommy is, is housed in a in a box, and leaves the front line and comes back.

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Comes to Manchester. This French farm Cat that that served in the German army, and then been in the first day of the Battle of the Sun, finally ends up in in Rochdale, where he's looked after I by Mr.

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Mrs. Lord Regg Lords mom, and Dad regulate himself dies, and later on in the war doesn't survive.

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Howdy, Kennedy does. He has a pretty traumatic remainder of the war.

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Part. The latter part of the battle of the song is compelled to be part of a firing squad, and I think this just tips in me.

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Just he can't cope with this you know the he says I I refuse to sort of serve him with a rifle anymore.

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I don't want to kill anyone else. so it becomes a straight up bearer, and he actually wins a medal in one of the subsequent battles and the battle of our era for rescuing

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wounded soldiers that were in low man's land but It It took a huge toll, I mean the way. it's described by the time is demolished in 1,980.

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These are is a wreck. you know it's a physical wreck, and he's a mental wreck.

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By that time, but he's a survivor he came back in one piece, where virtually all of his original company, where are the dead or invalidated?

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But back in Manchester He doesn't forget his Trustee Cat, and he would frequently go out to see Mr.

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And Mrs. Lord, and pay visits so tommy hello I didn't know hopefully would remember him

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That's my final page from the book where he goes out, and he sees Tommy out playing with the young children

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So that's that is the story. Oh, Yeah, a cat that served in the German and the bridge army.

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And I think it shows that, you know. Okay, we animals are basically there, full for a job.

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Delivery messages, killing rats, but clearly you know the soldiers themselves.

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They had an affinity. They they like these animals.

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I think it gave them something some kind of humanity, maybe, that was in danger of being lost in the war.

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So finish with able c cat. Simon The fee line awarded the dicky medal.

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His this on Hms. Amethyst. This was after the Second World War.

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He was a ship's cat, and the amassist got trapped in the Yanksi River.

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When the mouse, the chip during, was overcoming

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The Chinese Government and they've managed to sort of block for time.

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Yeah, the Hms. amethyst it managed to get out in the end. But it was under quite a lot of relentless attack, and I don't know quite what so able seek at Simon did, but he he seems to have

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kept up morale, and on the basis of that day decided to award him.

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The Dick in medal. I could say he was the only one

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So that concludes my run through of of animals that were from pigeons to cats.

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The dogs to horses and mules and also i'll probably finish slightly earlier by

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No, you're fine thank you very much for that ball look it's fascinating story, and I guess there's a real paradox there isn't there you know as a person being a a nation of animal lovers that said

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that so many of these animals into war. the numbers are quite staggering isn't it?

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And yeah, yeah, we're, gonna give metals. I think there was a sentimentality behind it as well, yeah, but they were being ruthlessly exploited, I suppose.

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But yeah, okay, Great? No, let's have a look at what everybody's been saying Got a few comments in here, and I do have a question for you.

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So everybody extends on your questions. no we've got one from Carl, and she was very aware about you know.

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Then numbers of horses and pigeons and dogs, and that were enlisted, but not cats, and she's, asking, presumably the the cuts must have been absolutely deafened.

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By the carnage that was going on around them. and also the presumably the cats, were allowed to breed to you.

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Know. so that was a constant supply. Yeah, I I well yeah I mean I don't think they would have been muted by it muted by that.

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In terms of on the in my cap freaks out.

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If I put the vacuum cleaner on so I don't know what all a couple of rounds from a mortar or a machine going, I just, I assume they just adapted to the life.

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That they found that. Yeah, I suppose most trench life was quiet, you know.

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They's it's like a major offensive was was a was a rarity, really.

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Probably you would find most of the time them, so there would be trend trades.

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Maybe there might be the occasional sort of stunk of mortars, but by a large, I think the frontline trenches would have been quiet if anything.

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But So they would have adapted. But yeah, once a major offensive was going on, yeah, it would get noisy, I suppose.

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Okay, and another good question here from June, loving the illustrations and have to agree.

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She's asking, Have you ever thought about making an animated film with them because they they do have that sort of quality about them.

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I think I do. right. I I had to come to digital technology late in my career, and I don't I've managed to mastur what I need.

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I the to go further into animation I don't know I think I've got too many other little projects.

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I want to do It's a more conventional illustration.

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But yeah, I would have thought in terms of whether any of these stories, funnily enough, Petty Kennedy did appear.

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They did when we were commemorating the First World War.

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There were a series, I think the Bbc. did them focusing on particular soldiers upset, and Paddy Kennedy was one.

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But the but I don't think he when they did that they they didn't include about the kitten.

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They left that bit out. but he was used but otherwise yeah I mean I don't know.

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So I think that there was an animated film done of Gustav.

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The d-day. Yeah. So again, if you if you Google gust up the pigeon there is an animated film.

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It's sort of quite well, it's designified but not in a nice way, and the the d-day museum.

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They hated it. They really hated it, they said they because they obviously they've taken good stuff to their hearts.

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So. But yeah, So if that one has been done with voice, check the bear.

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I would endless rooms there's a feature film in the in the making about boy check, but yet to see anything.

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Hmm: Okay, and question from Margaret. Obviously we we we know what happens, Tommy, he ended up in Manchester.

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Do we know, in a more general sense what happened to the surviving cats at the end of the war?

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All these good good Oh, dear, me I it's like all these animals!

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Once you start scaling back, what do you do with the the artillery courses, the the dogs, the cats, even the pigeons.

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I suppose the pigeons could go back to the handlers that they had, but I actually don't know.

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I don't know what happened to all of them maybe They were brought back, but it's a lot of cats isn't it breeding they're probably all sorts of feral colonies of cats all over the

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place. So that's that's an interesting one to find out that one. Yeah, we're good enough. Okay, right like to look here, we've got quite a few comments from.

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People, so we can never take a look at some of these That's similar like just horses with shot Yeah, I think in war horse. That was what was gonna happen when they were gonna put them shoot them

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Yeah, seem to remember Now, Okay, let's have a Look here, what would we go?

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We've got a few more minutes now let's see what we have Amanda, you've asked about putting the titles in the chat box. work.

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What we will do is actually push up. the details of bob's work and alongside the lecture recording on the members of the website, and probably sometime next week, and once we've heard a chance to put everything together so when Bob i'll

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be in touch with you a bit that tomorrow. no! lots of people saying that you should.

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You should you should publish, publish the book? Yeah. it would be possible.

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I mean, cause I used self-publishing on online site.

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But I didn't bother take you know I mean I just uploaded it so I could just print some copies. but it would be possible, I suppose, to do it that way.

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I could, that then it would be accessible by our Amazon.

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I think, but I don't know I I I need I need to rework it a bit.

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I think it's not really so proper. standard. Yeah, I mean I like I like the pencil drawings. I mean that that's okay, but it's not laid out very well.

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It's they're supposed to be bleeds and they're not.

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You got little white lines or you shouldn't have them so So all part of my learning process Oh, being design these days.

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Yeah, something for the future, then maybe What else we got here?

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Oh, this from Amanda! Did you notice that able C cat?

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Simon seems to have 6 tours seen as lucky by some interesting right.

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That is that is fine, finally observed. You know. what else do we have here?

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Oh, now we have a comment about voice which we took actually.

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No, look at me. Try and find it now. yeah it, said Jillian, saying, There, there is an optional written about him.

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I'm not sure if you would wake up didn't buy a monkunian composer a few years ago, Donald.

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Judge I pointed out when I did the tool you know he's become he's become very much a cult figure.

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So that doesn't surprise me absolutely as I say I walk past that statue of him and Edinburgh.

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Quite a lot. Okay. Oh, no, you're sending questions from Carol.

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Where are elephants? You probably would have had elephants serving with the British army in the Far East.

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In the Second World War, the forgotten Army, the Fourteenth Army, that one of my all served in, I would imagine, because they they used to by the Indians.

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Well, certainly in the past, you know. they can carry, you know, trunks currently and things.

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I would imagine I would have thought they would be used in in the rear areas.

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I don't think I think I think animals, going into war probably i'm sorry. elephants going into a battle probably ended with Hannibal, but maybe not.

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Maybe later was but yeah, so it would be used yeah, we've got a comment from Jane saying elephants were used to replace 3 horses that wasn't interesting and no amanda you're asking

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we are. The statue of Voicemail is an admiral.

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I can tell you that one if you are ever in Princeton Street Gardens west, so that's to the west side of the National Gallery.

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You will find voicemail on the the sort of highest top path closest to Princess Street.

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So that's where you'll find pain vo tech

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Oh, and another comment here from Andrew Circus. elephants were used by the first State Commission in the war.

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Oh, right yeah. there's a I didn't think of elephants camels I knew.

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But interesting that's another one for the research what else do we have here.

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I think that's well, hopefully just about us but here in fact, here's the final one.

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Final comment from Christine. her great grandfather had Liberty Stables in Newcastle that was set up to help officers horses from the Board War be helped back into good health.

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That's popular christine and we have a question here from with when you did activities and schools?

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Did you ever have any conscientious objectors any children that didn't want to role play Now that's a really interesting question.

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Don't recall I know the girls that they pull like a baby wall, like How did the boys you know?

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I mean we were yeah i've never I didn't have any problems with this, because obviously we were we so we're putting like really Enfield rifles in the hands of these children.

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There was never any sense. I think they saw it as his.

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You know the history it's living trying to bring history to life and there wasn't any sense, or we shouldn't be given children guns, play guns, anything like that was it was wasn't done like that at all although

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we would, you know it was. It could be quite a daunting experience.

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We would often, when we sent them over the top it would be dark, and we'd have one machine guns going off and flashing lights, and I think they really they got a little out of it.

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I mean, teachers were constantly saying the writing they got out of the children.

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Subsequently. that was really good. But but it was yeah, it was a no hold bar.

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And what we would do we would give them at the start of the day.

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We were given them an identity, a real living soldiers identity.

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So when they enlisted they had soldier, and we would always put them into a pals battalion associated with the area where the school was.

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So if it was i'll see the show with foresters there there would be an actual powers battalion and at the end of the day we we basically we sent them over the top of the first day of the start

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so, and at the end of the day we would have a scene where they would find out what happened to that.

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Their identity, their soldier that they've been playing what happened to that.

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So did they die, and not really was quite awesome the impact it had on them.

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Then we would do the last post, and so forth. we remember them so we It was a bit of a coming down experience at the end of the day, you know.

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They could get very excited by all. But at the end of the day it really really drove home the level of sacrifice that the young men of their area made, you know, in this in the first world.

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War so, and i'm still looking so i've got another booking.

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This is 's me and I need to go back and do it again.

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We did it last the november and we're going back again.

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It seems that we've become part of the fabric you know. Yeah, Oh, it's november.

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It's honest to stay up we get Bob and andy in again.

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Yeah, Yeah. a little comment that's come in from Shavan, just as you're talking there, and very powerful rule play for kids. absolutely reminds sort of the black outer scene.

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I think everybody remembers that

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That's what we we we have that in mind always that it's like, Okay, we can have a good We can have a fun day, but the end of the day, boy we got up sort of end it.

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With a large dose of reality. Yeah. Okay, Well, Bob, thank you very much for that.

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So really, really interesting story, And I think everybody has enjoyed that.

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Thank you very much. Thank you for having me nice to see so many people here.

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Good afternoon. Good evening. this bye, I feel like 5 is evening.

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But here we are in the between the afternoon and the evening yeah, i'm going to speak to you today.

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About fashion designers in film. and this is a bit of research that I did a bit of a thing I put together as part of some wider research.

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I was doing that on clothes in film, and how clothes in film work.

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And I started thinking, there's quite a few occasions, when fashion designers have got involved in filmmaking for for whatever reason, normally to clothe a particular actor or for a particular project and I started, to think is this is

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this a good method? Does it? Does a does a fashion designer bring what we want as film colors and as film lovers do. They have the skills? or do we need someone that's actually trained in in in the language of cinema, And how

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to how to costume a character, and how you can do things with the characters costume, to tell you things about their their character, about the plot, to tell you things about the about the movie.

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So I thought it would be nice to look at a few sort of a few examples, and you can kind of make your own minds up.

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I can guess as to as to whether these are effective or not, whether they whether they work and whether this whole idea of fashion design, is kind of crossing the road and coming in to work on films is actually a kind of a productive and

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useful thing when we think of fashion. Design is getting involved in film to dress particular particular actors.

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The very first one we normally think of is Audrey Hepburn, and all the dresses that she wore that were designed by Hubert Giovanni in the fiftys and sixtys.

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So as much some non-conformist that's where we're going to start today as well I thought it'd be nice to look at a bit of background of that because it's something that we kind of take for granted

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you see, Hepburn on film and you think that's that burn wearing a gyvanchi dress?

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But how did that come about? Well, it goes back to the first, the first film that she made where she was dressed by Shevant.

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She is a film called Sabrina, which will take a little look at in a second in the Uk.

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It played as Sabrina Fair that was called it's a Billy Wilder movie, and it's from 1,954.

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Now in the film. Her character is a young lady who's just come back to the Us.

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From Paris, and has has a number of fancy Parisian frocks that she wears, and the idea is that she's a no, not a fish out of water.

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But it's a kind of a walker some near more glamorous character than than in this in the world of America that she's brought back this Parisian style when with her so portrait ben said Well, why don't

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I get some, you know, a real fancy Parisian dress that I can wear.

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I will make it realistic so very well, they said, go for it.

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She went off. First of all she went to Balanceyaga. he said he was too busy, and he sent her to Hubert Giovanni. He said he was too busy.

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He said, but you can buy them. you can just buy something from the shop.

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I haven't got times making something but buy something off the peg, and she said, Okay, and she bought at least a couple of dresses that she wears in the in the movie and it's kind of the beginning of a of a of

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a beautiful collaboration Now, officially, and the movie Sabrina, the costumes are by a custom designer called Edith Head, who, if you know 1 one costume designer, is probably the one, you know, probably I think the most

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prolific Oscar, whenever by costume sign it either thread.

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Officially. she she built on the the Chevans, she clothes, and was inspired by them and built other things. and

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That argument, and that disagreement about whose clothes we're actually looking at on the screen. Is it Is Are they actually on cheese, or are they?

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Or are they edit heads reenter obsessions of those you aren't sheet designs and that's gone back and forth?

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No one seems a 100% sure. Both Shimanshi and Edith Head are now long dead, so we'll never know for sure.

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So we'll just say that both deeply involved in clothing this character.

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What I think is really interesting is There's a really useful quote from the time for that from Audrey hebang, she says, and this is after She'd made a number of a number of pictures wearing shepherd she

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she said, Javashi's clothes are the only ones I feel myself in.

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He is more than a designer. He is a creator of personality, and I think this idea that she feels herself in the clothes is really interesting, because and it asks us the question: Do we go to the cinema to see actors? or Do we go to Cinema?

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To see characters. Do we want her to feel herself or Do we want her to feel like the character she's playing in the film?

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And I think this sort of speaks to the time so when you when stars were big stars were bigger than the characters they they played.

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But I think it's it's crucial that the he's dressing.

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He's not necessarily dressing the characters he's dressing Audrey Hatburn.

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Why don't we have a little look at a bit of Sabrina?

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Then better than me better than me, just talking about it that she makes an entrance here.

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I think, which is worth seeing in a Gyvonchi dress, which I did.

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I apparently has been altered to make her look less bony.

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She was very Hepburns, apparently very concerned with how bony she looks, and how how thin she looked.

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And so one of the things that Gibon she did is he cut the clothes around that to to flatter flatter figure.

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So. let me share my screen I don't know what that was, and we'll have a look at this little picture.

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This is slightly quiet. this dvd i'm afraid but you'll you'll get the idea

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What is it, David? Oh, would you like to go and get something gate?

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No, thank you, darling. A drink

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I'm terribly sorry no no it's it's my fault.

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I didn't see you will it wash out Elizabeth. Yes, it isn't bad.

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Well, you'd better go and do it right now, huh?

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Come on, Miss

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Oh, Sabrina!

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You look wonderful. Thank you on a bit late I worry were you afraid i'd forgotten the address.

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It was was my mind. Here we dance right here

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We're leaving there dancing for a minute I mean she's, you know. she's obviously a scene steeler, and she and she yeah, the camera loves her.

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She's one of those people that that that the camera just absolutely loves.

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And that seems works I think it's you know it's important to point out, because she is supposed to be she is supposed to be turning everyone's heads.

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She's supposed to look completely different she's supposed to have that Parisian, a Parisian style that she's that she's brought with her. and she's supposed to radically different to everyone else on screen when we look

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at it now. Looks like Audrey Hatbone, looking like Audrey Hepburn, because we, over the over the following years, get so used to that.

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Look that it that it becomes like watching that watching Hepburn on screen rather than rather than her playing that that particular character, I guess, is there? I guess, as the is the the crucial point we can we've probably got time to

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look at another very quick click from this, because I think this is an interesting

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If we jump to about hair. we look at this scene here that she plays with the with Humphrey Bogart.

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Yes, well have a look at this and we'll talk better afterwards.

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Come to order of the boat, I would like to say at the outset, Chairman is so busy meeting adjourned.

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Have a frozen dachary. I saw an office like this in an old copy of Fortune Magazine.

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At my dentist. I, David, got an office like this, something like this, only larger, larger.

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Oh, yes, instead of a desk, he has a pudding green, please, Sabrina, before my fingers get frostbitten

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Is this the ledge? What ledge? You know the ledge?

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That woman when you almost the ledge Yes, Yes, that's the ledge.

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All right, Humphrey Bogart suddenly looks old doesn't it by comparison.

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It suddenly suddenly send him out. Looks like a young person's game

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I showed you that clip, because I think it might be nice to look at.

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Could this image here an Edith Head drawing? Let me going in and out of the share? Let me share.

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This. This is a small image, but you'll get the idea this is a native head drawing from the time.

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Saying what to have been clearly the dress they had the whole output that she's wearing in that in that scene so part of the story of whether it was as you have on she dress or or something that the Edith had worked up based

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on giovanni's design but it's it's clearly come from you know from from from the man himself.

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Whether she's interpreted or not in fact i've got a whole bunch of other images which I think will be crucial to have a look at.

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Now so we've we've looked at we know where it began.

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Now really we know we know where whether whether they're how their working relationship started.

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If I add a bunch of images here, and share screen you'll get the idea.

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So they went on There he went on to clothe her in 6 more movies through from from 54 to 66.

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So so we've got We've got images from funny face not a particularly good one.

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I hit that's funny face. you can see exactly the same kind of style, exactly the same style as she was she was wearing in the in at the garden party.

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It's you know almost exactly the same look that's love in the afternoon.

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Not a not particularly good. I can find a still from that. That's just that. that's just a frame capture from that.

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The iconic, of course, is brexit stephanie's a little bit of an outlier an outlier in the in the in the in the in the the Heburn Giovanni

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cannon charade getting a little bit more sixties.

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But still kind of very much cut to to fit Audrey herself.

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Paris, when it sizes 64 very similar.

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Look to charade and finishing with how to deal a 1 million Peter at all.

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That's 66. That was the last the last movie that cubbert costumed her in much that love all those films much sell.

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I've order to happen. she is in every single one of those stills. and really, in every single one of those movies she is Audrey.

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Happen we're looking at the the collaboration is a collaboration between actor and costumer rather than someone costuming particular characters.

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I think. There's also. he also designed I mean she must have absolutely loved him, because he also designed her dress that she wore when she collected her Oscar.

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That's a small picture. but there you go and the dress that she got married in as well.

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So. He was a massive, a massive part of that.

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He was costuming her on and off screen I think that's a really crucial crucial part of it, because it shows that what he was doing is providing clothes for her rather than providing clothes.

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It sounds what it means, say it, but rather paranoes for the characters in the film.

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I'm not saying he didn't necessarily read every script. but I think he's working with the the raw material of Audrey happen rather than rather than rather than doing something specifically to the to what

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motor requires so let's leave audio for a bit. that's one example of of a relationship in the way the way these things work.

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I want to compare this to the relationship between Catherine Denver and Eve San Lorraine, which comes around a little few years a few years later on.

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So story with these 2 is Okayatherine Denov was due to meet the Queen in 1,966.

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She was married to David Bailey at the time and David Bailey said, What are you going to wear to meet the Queen?

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He said, Why don't you Why don't you ask Eve salaron to make you something to wear to meet the Queen, which is not a conversation that many married couples need to have But it came up between them so and that

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was her first introduction. Introduction These bits over the word to to Eve Santa Ron, and and what he did.

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So I've got an image of what she wore the queen's not in this image, but some other famous faces are that this is what Eve santa Ron designed for her to meet to make the Queen there

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Julie, Christie, and Sarah address as well, of course all looking great.

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But Catherine Denner of really going I think quite a quite a standout. I've got a bold look there for for for meeting the Queens.

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That was the first thing he designed for and the first thing in example, was for it wasn't for a film like I say it was, for it was for real life.

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It was for ram it's amazing the queen in 66. So then became the start of a kind of professional friendship and a collaboration between the 2, and then the in 67.

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She makes belle dejor with Louis Bunnell and

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She herself suggested Eve Santa Ron to Bunnell, to to call the character she plays in the film Severine.

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Now what he did if santa rosy went away and created an entire sort of wardrobe for her, so that so that in every in every scene she's wearing, she's wearing something designed by him but what I

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think he does that jean-monchi doesn't Doesn't really do?

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Is, I think he. He knows exactly what the character in the film needs and what and what he needs to what he needs to portray, and how he needs to, how he needs to clothe the character to tell us something as as film governors.

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who are Yeah, as literate film goes. But we we look at, we look at what characters wearing.

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We infer things from it. We read certain things. we read things about color, about carts, about opulence or not, about fabrics, about texture, and we read things, and we start to.

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We learn things about character. If a costume designer is clever well, we'll learn something about why they're wearing that particular thing, and then there can be symbolic things as well about buttoned upness or things not fitting property or

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things not quite worn properly. That might tell you something else about that about the character as well.

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And I think he really he really works that really well in in in in Belgium.

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So why don't we start i've got I can show you a couple of clips in this which I think will be quite useful.

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Second. This is the very opening scene of bell to shore.

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It starts with Belgium. The film is about young woman, a young Parisian woman.

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With a husband in in Paris who is bored and decides that her life might be more interesting if if she became a prostitute in the afternoons and sort of does it for thrills, and then gets mixed up in a whole

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world of gangsters and difficulty and it all goes a little bit wrong.

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So it's. got this element of the double life in it, Of course, that gives you all sorts of opportunities to play with costume, and to play with.

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How costume can you know which which severine are we seeing, and maybe suggest moral things about what might be going on, but can also tell us something about who Severine is right from right from the off.

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So we're going to start with this very opening scene the film starts the very long shot through the park in Paris, with nothing modern on display at all. at the very beginning.

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You could think you're looking at a at a period drama, and they're in a horse strong carriage, but we'll start.

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We'll jump in just before we just before we we we we cut to them to them in the in the carriage, having a conversation, and have a look at what? obviously they have a look at what what severines wearing and what the

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film what the film tells you immediately about severine and who she is in the dialogue, and how that's reflected in what she's wearing, because I think it's I think there's there's interesting stuff

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going on, so did I open the click as I did let's go from

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The Dictator disasters Is it them sexual that all that moisture click 12 more, Please me quick.

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It's more seems like to saber effect could afford the other spies.

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Limbaugh put such to pay really that fashion can't you see? about 20 most on earth copper 10.

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The Savior at the last. Could you bit Miss Shelter

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I take, so that's a very short scene in which I think we learn a lot about the character of Severine, and we learn immediately that she's capable of being warm, but also being very cold.

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We learn there's. Probably some sort of marital discord happening there, and it may be to do with her coldness, and what we see is her in a well, she's wearing red for a start which is has been used in countless times in

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cinema as a symbol of both passion and of danger so it's kind of used ironically in that there's passion.

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There's passion that isn't being put to good use at the moment, but it is in there that in itself is dangerous. So the use of red is a cinematic code that I expect in costume that I think is really is really

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important, and eve as he's latched onto that immediately. but this idea of this quite sort of military cut of coat that's all buttoned up.

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Except there's. one or 2 kind of loose buttons, which, of course, none of this happens by by accident.

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I it's kind of symbolic it's symbolic of her closed off Nessa, buttoned upness. But there is a way in There's a there's a psychological way into to her buttoned upness as

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well, and that's all I think in the in the clothes are sort of the sort of quite hard austerity of it.

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But this this this sort of bright and also the bright red in the context of the outdoor, the sort of muted outdoor colors as well.

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I think it's really important. she's like a sort of a beacon.

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We know she's going to be the focus of the film and we know there's going to be passion and danger.

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It's going to be focused around her and like I say we have what's had this element of repression and buttoned up nests, which is kind of key to key to her. character.

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So I think he's doing he's already doing a really good job He's already kind of figuring out What do we?

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What do I need to do? What do we need to to say about this character? What do I need to?

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How ready to present this character on film and that's only you know we're not even 3 min into the into the movie yet.

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I'm. not at a slightly longer clip of this later on. This is the the sort of tipping point for severing.

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This is when she starts to think another way of life might be possible, and we're going to start with this little scene here.

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At a at the tennis club. Look at 2 scenes sort of adjacent to each other here.

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And and look you'll notice it anyway, but look out for the kind of the juxtaposition of what she wears in in each

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Didn't do, Spain barriers on the hotel boulevard, where you're a man of what we're doing. See?

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them the misoccupied with Via kanet. who is your daughter? first in BukU.S.A.? a buffet? I particularly if i'm complete myself, he said, to a year she, an ice the city is all the sooners on the guarded excellence

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of it focus. Give a park, miss. Now yeah cute compulsion.

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It's exactly She wants any shot solve it to nothing that you animal, Jimmy Abukuk pierre fashion.

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I was talking this repellent

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She met him Andis all the city Jonasumi

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So let's leave her there. I don't think i'd need to explain the the costuming choices made there in those 2 scenes, but I like the way they sit in the film up against each other, we have the the the

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innocent almost at a virginal looking submarine at the tennis club that looks like butter would mount their mouth.

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I'm actually has this decision that maybe she's gonna go and see what's what's going on at all through to somewhere, and is back in the sort of military style buttoned up so it's almost in

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disguise almost like a really bad spy and you know into the black and buttoned up and the black hat and the and I was gonna say in glasses, but she's not wearing glasses, but she feels like she should be wearing

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glasses. it's a and it's very much presenting this idea, like the 2, the 2 submarines that the double life and so much of that obviously is going on in the costume. it's a bit blunt But

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it. Really, I think it it really works, and the film is full of little things like that.

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Ideas of you know these these contrasting things that are severing and black as ever in and white this idea of the buttoned upness. it's all there and it's and so it's all coming from

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from from eve santa cruz he did have 4 leaps an Iran in in designing some costumes for film.

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He'd decide some costumes for the 1,963.

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The pink pant at the first paint panther movie Claudia Cardinali's character is wearing Eve Sandra one, and that bade never I don't think dressed the character for the duration.

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Of a of a of of a movie. And he went on.

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After this day, one and the next year, they make it they made a film together, called Lashamard, in which he dresses her again.

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But it's not it's, not as interesting and then she wore his clothes in 4 or 5 other movies kind of going through the seventys and into the eightys, but normally just one item I don't think he dresses her

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for a whole film again. So It's a less enduring relationship.

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Then the Hepburn giovanni relationship but it's, I think it's more so successful in the in the kind of in the the the smaller window in which in which it exists.

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Got some interesting pictures to go alongside this they're they're together slightly later.

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Eve, Santa Ron, and and

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Catherine did have i'm just realize i've accidentally dressed this eve salad on today. it must have been decided to channel him in the velvet jacket quite hard to find pitched them together from this

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era actually. But there's one and a couple of pictures from the Eve Santa Ron Museum, which I think are worth looking at of the of the designs which are put to rather nice actually the interesting thing about the designs

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and we're just you know we'll just look through, and these are just a few of their sketches of a few of the different things she wears in the movie.

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They look slightly younger, I think, on on the page the money dresses for real.

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The interesting thing is, of course, what happened was the next year.

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All these clothes were in workshops in paris because he was a designer.

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They're they're also sold stuff. you could get you know you could go and buy some efsan around in Paris, and and and indeed people did.

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And so the next year everybody was wearing trench coats.

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Everyone was kind of dressing, like like Catherine Denver had A.

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Had a had a massive kind of knock on effect under the contemporary fashion, and to his own to his own safety as well to his own success; and he didn't make shoes at the time.

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So the shoes are by Roger Roger Vivier.

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There in the in the East Animal Museum as well.

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And those are apparently I didn't know but these are on enduring women's.

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Shoe classic and much copied, and and they were designed specifically for this, for this movie.

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So it's a it's a really successful little little moment a collaboration between the between between the 2, and maybe if it doesn't last as long as the like, I say as the as the Mr. Gibonchi and

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and Hepburn collaboration I do I do feel like It's more it's more cinematic.

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There's more going on where you can that you can kind of read, and you can infer things you can understand things, and from what the character is wearing on on the screen.

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So that's a really good successful one we've had we've been in America.

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We've been in France. let's have a look at what's going on in Uk at roughly the same time, because, we had fashions as well.

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Someone in the chat just said Very Mary. quant very interesting that you might say that it's a merry quant that we're about to about to turn right now.

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So well done you've read me like a book so Mary quant young designer of Clouds, that people can actually buy and that in the early sixties, and successful all the way through the sixties.

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She had also been involved in the early sixtys in costuming some individual characters in films.

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Some filmmakers have gone to and said, Can you can you dress?

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Can you dress this one particular character, or can we dress this character in inquant?

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So, of course, some images here. I won't share that one because we're going to look at the one bump. let's look at these. so we've got pictures here.

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Of

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Picture of a Nancy Quan in a song called The Wild Affair, the one of the first 1,963. a movie called The Haunting from the same year, Yeah.

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Same year. 63 very early sixties. look very similar in in in both films, you know.

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Sort of quite, very, very sort of early mod sort of late.

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Beatenk kind of look black tailored very smart.

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And then this image here is a publicity shop for the film, Elfie.

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1,966 in case you didn't notice by looking at it.

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Marc came up, looking very smug as as Alpha.

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The interesting thing about this this publicity show is I saw this publicity shop, and there's Jane Asher on the on the left.

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And wearing a very obvious bit of Mary Guant. That Mary Quant Baton is is is really familiar.

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I thought, Okay, So So jennifer scouted where's quantum? This film?

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How interesting the interesting thing is. She never wears that in the film, although this is a this photo goal. Is that obviously the sort of in character? I think.

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But Jane actually never wears that in the film.

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So she wore it just for the just for the photo.

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Call that in the Mary Gomp was so cool that you that you might wear our clothes just for the publicity shots.

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If not in the actual movie. but I still thought that was worth sharing, because it kind of shows a quant is kind of moving with the moving with the times.

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The really nice bit of mercant we can have A look at is from film Georgie Gal, which is 1966.

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Now, I really like the film Georgia Girl. It seems to be on Tv quite a lot. at the moment.

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One of the one of the free channels seems to be showing it quite often. so you'll probably stumble on it if you watch a lot of daytime Tv movies like I do it's 66 it's almost a

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swing London film, but it's a bit too, early and it's almost a kitchen sink drama, because it and it's sort of black and white and gritty but it's a bit too late.

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It kind of falls it's. a falls into the camp between those 2, those 2 sort of movie genres which is which I think is quite interesting in it of itself.

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So it's about Georgie who is George you would like to be a kind of girl about town. but she's not confident she's not particularly physically beautiful.

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She's a bit clumsy things don't really go her way.

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She's got a flat mate. her flatmate Meredith is is a played by the young charlotte.

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Rambling is beautiful, stylish, tiny, compared to compared to Georgia, and so fits into all the all the sort of mid sixtys factions, much were sort of effortlessly stylish.

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But she's an absolute nightmare and she's a really nasty piece of work, and she never gets her come up.

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It's in the film which really upsets me but Meredith is like the flat mate from hell.

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We side with with Georgie all the way and what's interesting is quant dresses meredith, so it's she's dressing essentially that the bady but she's dressing her to kind of look

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modish. so 66 modish, so that she looks very much sort of of the time. let's have a look at this still clip here, which I think is a really good illustration of how you can use costume to mark

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2 characters about on screen that Meredith is obviously covered in in Mary Quant This scene, and and Georgie very much isn't

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I don't know dust now this

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Okay. yeah. praying Mantis elephant, bloody, marvelous.

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Well, thank you, miss. some hockey parking. Yes, however, just at the moment our book seem to be full of annual imitators.

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But would you be prepared to strip, my dear? Got one or 2 operations?

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Got so much the better. The customers, like them within reason, of course, have to ask money on a number will be in touch. I'll bet you Willie.

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Dirty old slob

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Are you going out? Why, aren't you going with Joshua anyone.

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No, let's go and eat then, but at the first order of dust and all that nonsense i'm leaving you

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Forkins, Residents

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Hello! Oh, hi! I might be

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Okay, I'm not doing anything where then you'll have to Pick me up, Have the tube in about 5 min.

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See you

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Where are you going now? Party nicks for god's sake, Georgie? You don't expect me to have a meal with you. if I can go to a party.

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Do you I didn't mean it like that if you've been the one invited.

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I'd naturally I never am let's go into that again.

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Georgie.

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Okay, if you're gonna be suicidal i'll stay no go, sure sure have a lovely time.

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I think about you and I don't buy cocoa

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To leave Georgia there, washing up socks in the sink.

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But i'm really interesting clothes on film moment that I think because obviously Meredith looks great.

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But she's very contemporary she's very 66.

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The clothes will fit her perfectly, and the choice this juxtaposition to have Georgie dressed in what are essentially man's clothes.

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Sort of decentralizes her makes a film much less much less clamorous.